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P: 3/26/2009 10:13:13 AM
Cuts33 Rough Rock Total Posts: 17 Last Post: 5/4/2009 Member Since: 3/16/2009	Hi all, I was wondering if anyone has an opinion on these 2 stones. Both are princess cuts and graded by GIA. I don't have ASET or Idealscope images - just the specs. I realize there is a difference in symmetry and polish but I am wondering if there is any other reason for the big price difference. The cheaper one is also physically bigger on its face: 7.28x7.20 versus 6.98 x 6.95. Budget is not a concern so if anyone has an opinion on which is likely to be a better performer and why I'd appreciate it. Thanks in advance for your help. http://www.uniondiamond.com/diamonds/diamonds.php?search_type_id=2&action_type_id=2&context=&rb_flow_type=&rb_action_type_id=&item_id=AA525622 http://www.uniondiamond.com/diamonds/diamonds.php?item_id=AB221479&search_type_id=2&action_type_id=2&network_id=0cf05810a0f83094f6e9972ef21cdd34 #1 $14068 Carat: 2.06 Color: H Clarity: SI1 Measurements: 6.98-6.95-4.97 Length to Width: 1.00 Depth Percentage: 71.5 % Table Percentage: 71 % Girdle: M-STK Culet: None (Pointed) Polish: Excellent Symmetry: Excellent Fluorescence: None (Inert) #2: $11431 Carat: 2.04 Color: H Clarity: SI1 Measurements: 7.28-7.2-4.9 Length to Width: 1.01 Depth Percentage: 68.1 % Table Percentage: 72 % Girdle: TN-TK Culet: None (Pointed) Polish: Very Good Symmetry: Good Fluorescence: Faint
Posted: 3/26/2009 10:13:13 AM

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P: 3/26/2009 10:14:57 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,272 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	The first looks better on paper but images such as ASET and photos of the diamond are really needed. UD might be able to provide photos on request. Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 3/26/2009 10:14:57 AM

P: 3/26/2009 10:27:59 AM
JasonFaber Rough Rock Total Posts: 74 Last Post: 5/6/2009 Member Since: 1/25/2009	I do not like the 4 step variance (Thin, medium, Slightly Thick, Thick) from the Girdle in #2 diamond, nor do I like the Symmetry grade on it. But it is still hard to tell without Aset images, as they both can either have great or poor brilliance/fire. But then again, it all depends on what you want in a diamond.
Posted: 3/26/2009 10:27:59 AM

P: 3/26/2009 10:36:18 AM
Cuts33 Rough Rock Total Posts: 17 Last Post: 5/4/2009 Member Since: 3/16/2009	Thanks. Fire and brilliance is definately what it's all about and what I'm looking for. Does the 4 step difference and the symmetry affect it that much? Also I've heard that ideally the table should be less than the depth which #2 is not even close to being. Any truth or insight to this?
Posted: 3/26/2009 10:36:18 AM

P: 3/26/2009 10:46:54 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,272 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 3/26/2009 10:36:18 AM Author: Cuts33 Thanks. Fire and brilliance is definately what it's all about and what I'm looking for. Does the 4 step difference and the symmetry affect it that much? Also I've heard that ideally the table should be less than the depth which #2 is not even close to being. Any truth or insight to this? Not always, these are averages of the girdle, the thick part might only be a tiny portion of the girdle and of no consequence. It is said good and above for symmetry looks the same to the naked untrained eye. And the depth being greater than the table is usually preferred. These are obviously not top cut quality Princess, but it depends on what you want. However without images there is no way to really evaluate any of these further regrettably. Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 3/26/2009 10:46:54 AM

P: 3/26/2009 11:13:13 AM
Cuts33 Rough Rock Total Posts: 17 Last Post: 5/4/2009 Member Since: 3/16/2009	Date: 3/26/2009 10:46:54 AM Author: Lorelei Not always, these are averages of the girdle, the thick part might only be a tiny portion of the girdle and of no consequence. It is said good and above for symmetry looks the same to the naked untrained eye. And the depth being greater than the table is usually preferred. These are obviously not top cut quality Princess, but it depends on what you want. However without images there is no way to really evaluate any of these further regrettably. Lorelei - Can you explain why you said this? I understand the possible downfalls with #2 based on the specs but not sure what you think is wrong with #1 just based off the information I gave you. I realize nothing is definitive until I can get the images from the vendors but just curious as to how you got to your prediction.
Posted: 3/26/2009 11:13:13 AM

P: 3/26/2009 11:17:26 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,272 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 3/26/2009 11:13:13 AM Author: Cuts33 Date: 3/26/2009 10:46:54 AM Author: Lorelei Not always, these are averages of the girdle, the thick part might only be a tiny portion of the girdle and of no consequence. It is said good and above for symmetry looks the same to the naked untrained eye. And the depth being greater than the table is usually preferred. These are obviously not top cut quality Princess, but it depends on what you want. However without images there is no way to really evaluate any of these further regrettably. Lorelei - Can you explain why you said this? I understand the possible downfalls with #2 based on the specs but not sure what you think is wrong with #1 just based off the information I gave you. I realize nothing is definitive until I can get the images from the vendors but just curious as to how you got to your prediction. The second one in particular has good symmetry and VG polish, top cut Princess usually have excellent or Ideal if AGS graded. The depth is larger than the table, as you know the reverse is preferred. The first is better on paper, although the table and depth are very close, I would prefer to see the table being definitely less than the depth - but a Princess of top cut quality is rare and generally sold as such. So the first to me could be worth further evaluation and it might be a stunning diamond and what we call a ' nice make' for cut quality, but without images I need to reserve judgement as to how it looks as there is so much info missing. Out of the two I would be most interested in the first diamond. Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 3/26/2009 11:17:26 AM

P: 3/26/2009 11:24:18 AM
Cuts33 Rough Rock Total Posts: 17 Last Post: 5/4/2009 Member Since: 3/16/2009	Great. I really appreciate your help and insights. Thank you!
Posted: 3/26/2009 11:24:18 AM

P: 3/26/2009 11:38:03 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,272 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 3/26/2009 11:24:18 AM Author: Cuts33 Great. I really appreciate your help and insights. Thank you! Glad to help Cuts! Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 3/26/2009 11:38:03 AM

P: 3/26/2009 11:38:12 AM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,930 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	Date: 3/26/2009 11:17:26 AM Author: Lorelei The depth is larger than the table, as you know the reverse is preferred. I believe you mean the table is larger than the depth.
Posted: 3/26/2009 11:38:12 AM

P: 3/26/2009 11:40:03 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,272 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 3/26/2009 11:38:12 AM Author: Stone-cold11 Date: 3/26/2009 11:17:26 AM Author: Lorelei The depth is larger than the table, as you know the reverse is preferred. I believe you mean the table is larger than the depth. Oh yes indeed - what a good catch - thank you for pointing that out! Just to clarify Cuts, it is preferable for the depth to be greater than the table with these shapes. I am curious SC, are you still engineering? Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 3/26/2009 11:40:03 AM

P: 3/26/2009 11:49:08 AM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,930 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	What do you mean by that?
Posted: 3/26/2009 11:49:08 AM

P: 3/26/2009 11:59:11 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,272 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 3/26/2009 11:49:08 AM Author: Stone-cold11 What do you mean by that? I just wondered if you were still working as an engineer purely out of interest. Doesn't matter. Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 3/26/2009 11:59:11 AM

P: 3/26/2009 12:20:34 PM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,930 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	ya, still an engineer.
Posted: 3/26/2009 12:20:34 PM

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