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Do you have a heart?

P: 3/6/2009 6:26:20 PM
zeolite Cut Rock Total Posts: 321 Last Post: 10/28/2009 Member Since: 8/13/2008	(says the tin man) Show your heart shaped gems. Heart cuts seem quite difficult, since they are free form curves and don't lend themselves to simple mechanical rotations such as round or rectangular. Plus the notch doesn't lend itself to cutting on a flat disc. I'll start off: here is an attractively symmetrical citrine, 5.36 cts. Mr. zeolite, physicist, gemologist (GIA)
Posted: 3/6/2009 6:26:20 PM

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P: 3/6/2009 6:41:18 PM
innerkitten Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,923 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 8/2/2003	Thats nice! I don't have any hearts yet. But someday I would like one. I like heart shaped diamonds and green gemstone hearts a lot.
Posted: 3/6/2009 6:41:18 PM

P: 3/6/2009 9:00:24 PM
Harriet Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,800 Last Post: 11/19/2009 Member Since: 7/7/2006	No, but I have a question. When is it efficient to cut a heart rather than some other shape? "The greatest experts are only as good as the sum total of what they have seen." (Souren Melikian)
Posted: 3/6/2009 9:00:24 PM

P: 3/6/2009 9:36:39 PM
crown1 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,375 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 11/22/2006	i don't own any but am coveting a heart shaped ruby bezel set. i saw such a pendant and i loved it. the next best thing to being wise oneself is to live in a circle of those who are c.s. lewis
Posted: 3/6/2009 9:36:39 PM

P: 3/6/2009 10:43:26 PM
zeolite Cut Rock Total Posts: 321 Last Post: 10/28/2009 Member Since: 8/13/2008	Date: 3/6/2009 9:00:24 PM Author: Harriet No, but I have a question. When is it efficient to cut a heart rather than some other shape? It is only efficient if you wanted to cut a round, and there was a flaw near the edge, where you could place the notch (of a heart cut), to remove the flaw, and get a larger gem. The notch and the free form (and free hand) curve makes it very difficult to cut perfectly symmetrically. That is why you see very few heart cuts available. It is too much work for too little return. Mr. zeolite, physicist, gemologist (GIA)
Posted: 3/6/2009 10:43:26 PM

P: 3/6/2009 11:26:42 PM
Chrono Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,327 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 4/22/2004	Unfortunately, I am not fond of hearts - it looks sort of tacky, especially for someone my age. However, that doesn't mean I don't enjoy looking at them.
Posted: 3/6/2009 11:26:42 PM

P: 3/7/2009 1:04:51 AM
Harriet Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,800 Last Post: 11/19/2009 Member Since: 7/7/2006	Zeolite, Thanks for the explanation. Does it mean that a heart carries a premium over a round, all things equal? I'm curious as to how the loss of rough factors into pricing. Separately, I will never forget the day a new seller proudly emerged from his office with two huge amethyst hearts. He took one look at my face, and we both burst out laughing. Zeolite's piece is a different story, but I'm not sure what I would have done with that purple pair. "The greatest experts are only as good as the sum total of what they have seen." (Souren Melikian)
Posted: 3/7/2009 1:04:51 AM

P: 3/7/2009 1:07:25 AM
Skippy123 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 19,828 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 11/24/2006	Oh what a beautiful heart, thanks for sharing!!! I think Marcy has a beautiful heart too!!! Hopefully she will pop in and show hers off. Skippy "The only things that stand between a person and what they want in life are the will to try it, and the faith to believe it's possible" Rich Devos
Posted: 3/7/2009 1:07:25 AM

P: 3/7/2009 1:16:06 AM
FrekeChild Ideal Rock Total Posts: 12,910 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 12/14/2007	Date: 3/6/2009 11:26:42 PM Author: Chrono Unfortunately, I am not fond of hearts - it looks sort of tacky, especially for someone my age. However, that doesn't mean I don't enjoy looking at them. Ditto except for the age thing, because I'm not sure of Chrono's age. Some would say I'm a heartless female dog. Lol. _______________________________ "Women are either goddesses or doormats." Pablo Picasso "In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane." Mark Twain
Posted: 3/7/2009 1:16:06 AM

P: 3/7/2009 9:07:56 AM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	I wouldn't say hearts are "tacky". They're just not for everyone, like many other cuts. I happen to love them, but I don't own any. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 3/7/2009 9:07:56 AM

P: 3/7/2009 9:09:53 AM
Deelight Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,093 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 10/4/2007	Lovely heart :). I don't but I have always wanted either a small pink or red heart (species doesn't matter) to bezel into a small pinky ring :). __________________________________________________________ Sometimes if your really lucky all your dreams do come true ...............
Posted: 3/7/2009 9:09:53 AM

P: 3/7/2009 10:15:46 AM
Kaleigh Ideal Rock Total Posts: 25,918 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 11/18/2004	Date: 3/7/2009 9:07:56 AM Author: Ellen I wouldn't say hearts are 'tacky'. They're just not for everyone, like many other cuts. I happen to love them, but I don't own any. Ditto. I don't own any either, but would love one down the road. ____________________________ Piece of cake and a candle. ng gift
Posted: 3/7/2009 10:15:46 AM

P: 3/7/2009 10:17:31 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,241 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 3/7/2009 10:15:46 AM Author: Kaleigh Date: 3/7/2009 9:07:56 AM Author: Ellen I wouldn't say hearts are 'tacky'. They're just not for everyone, like many other cuts. I happen to love them, but I don't own any. Ditto. I don't own any either, but would love one down the road. Thritto, I would love a diamond heart pendant one day. Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 3/7/2009 10:17:31 AM

P: 3/7/2009 11:28:08 AM
LovingDiamonds Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,686 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 6/29/2008	Is anybody going to believe me if I say I'm not keen on heart shapes? I didn't think so! Actually I'm not keen but these seem to have crept into my collection over the years! From the top left: 7ct Amethyst, 1.23ct blue diamond (irradiated), 1.02ct natural yellow diamond - I love this necklace Middle row: Sapphire (can't remember weight), Paraiba Tourmaline (can't remember weight), 2 x Rubies (5ct and 2ct) Bottom row: 8.15ct Tanzanite, Colour Change Garnet (green to red) - can't remember weight
Posted: 3/7/2009 11:28:08 AM

P: 3/7/2009 11:30:35 AM
LovingDiamonds Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,686 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 6/29/2008	Ooooops forgot these: Natural peach diamonds (smaller outside ones) and natural lilac/purple diamond. Included but VERY sparkly and an adorable colour in real life. These are being made into a pendant as I type!
Posted: 3/7/2009 11:30:35 AM

P: 3/7/2009 1:02:04 PM
Skippy123 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 19,828 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 11/24/2006	Date: 3/7/2009 11:28:08 AM Author: LovingDiamonds Is anybody going to believe me if I say I'm not keen on heart shapes? I didn't think so! Actually I'm not keen but these seem to have crept into my collection over the years! From the top left: 7ct Amethyst, 1.23ct blue diamond (irradiated), 1.02ct natural yellow diamond - I love this necklace Middle row: Sapphire (can't remember weight), Paraiba Tourmaline (can't remember weight), 2 x Rubies (5ct and 2ct) Bottom row: 8.15ct Tanzanite, Colour Change Garnet (green to red) - can't remember weight Wow beautiful; my favorite is the yellow diamond pendant. Great collection!!! Skippy "The only things that stand between a person and what they want in life are the will to try it, and the faith to believe it's possible" Rich Devos
Posted: 3/7/2009 1:02:04 PM

P: 3/7/2009 1:39:09 PM
coatimundi_org Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,312 Last Post: 6/7/2009 Member Since: 12/9/2007	I don't mind fat hearts. I like fat pears too. Coati, G.G.
Posted: 3/7/2009 1:39:09 PM

P: 3/7/2009 1:48:01 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 3/7/2009 11:28:08 AM Author: LovingDiamonds Is anybody going to believe me if I say I'm not keen on heart shapes? I didn't think so! Actually I'm not keen but these seem to have crept into my collection over the years! From the top left: 7ct Amethyst, 1.23ct blue diamond (irradiated), 1.02ct natural yellow diamond - I love this necklace Middle row: Sapphire (can't remember weight), Paraiba Tourmaline (can't remember weight), 2 x Rubies (5ct and 2ct) Bottom row: 8.15ct Tanzanite, Colour Change Garnet (green to red) - can't remember weight swoon Love them all, but highlights are my faves! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 3/7/2009 1:48:01 PM

P: 3/7/2009 4:43:51 PM
zeolite Cut Rock Total Posts: 321 Last Post: 10/28/2009 Member Since: 8/13/2008	Date: 3/7/2009 1:04:51 AM Author: Harriet Zeolite, Thanks for the explanation. Does it mean that a heart carries a premium over a round, all things equal? I'm curious as to how the loss of rough factors into pricing. Separately, I will never forget the day a new seller proudly emerged from his office with two huge amethyst hearts. He took one look at my face, and we both burst out laughing. Zeolite's piece is a different story, but I'm not sure what I would have done with that purple pair. I have not found that a heart shape is any higher priced or lower priced than any other shape. I think the reality is that there are very few heart cuts available to buy, and about an equal very rare number of buyers looking for them. So supply and demand are in balance. I wouldn't comment on how many gems I have in my collection, but it is a very large number. In it, there are only two hearts, including this one. But I select by intensity of color, brilliance, and quality of cutting and not by cut shape. Highest yield from the rough is of huge importance in the pricing of the finished gem. So the finished shape chosen by the cutter, is determined by getting the highest yield possible from that particular shape of rough. Cutters who only cut for yield might get a 45% yield, while cutters looking for brilliance mught get a 25% yield. Cutters looking for top color in certain low yield crystals like yellow scapolite or diaspore, might get an 8% to 10% yield. LD, you must have more heart cuts than all of Pricescope combined. A great collection! Mr. zeolite, physicist, gemologist (GIA)
Posted: 3/7/2009 4:43:51 PM

P: 3/7/2009 4:48:38 PM
PrecisionGem Cut Rock Total Posts: 477 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 7/28/2004	Some rough stones lend them selves very well to cut a heart. Actually often they do. I don't cut many because they typically don't sell very well, and I think the cut in clef look a little cheap, so I cut them flat across the top. It still looks like a heart, but to me is a bit more elegant looking. A heart shape takes a bit more work than most other shapes, as there is only symmetry about one plane. From a cutting standpoint, the fastest and easiest stone to cut is a round shape. A nice shaped piece of rough, with no flaws to work around can be cut in a round in about 1 to 1.5 hours, where the same piece if it were to be heart shaped may take 2.5 to 3 hours. Gene www.precisiongem.com
Posted: 3/7/2009 4:48:38 PM

P: 3/7/2009 6:57:14 PM
Gailey Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,166 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 5/14/2008	Date: 3/7/2009 11:28:08 AM Author: LovingDiamonds Is anybody going to believe me if I say I'm not keen on heart shapes? I didn't think so! Actually I'm not keen but these seem to have crept into my collection over the years! From the top left: 7ct Amethyst, 1.23ct blue diamond (irradiated), 1.02ct natural yellow diamond - I love this necklace Middle row: Sapphire (can't remember weight), Paraiba Tourmaline (can't remember weight), 2 x Rubies (5ct and 2ct) Bottom row: 8.15ct Tanzanite, Colour Change Garnet (green to red) - can't remember weight Flipping Heck CS, you've posted amazing pictures today of the stuff you don't like!! When are you going to post stuff that you do like? Love the yellow heart pendant by the way. Gailey ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Life is not a dress rehearsal
Posted: 3/7/2009 6:57:14 PM

P: 3/8/2009 12:00:13 AM
Harriet Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,800 Last Post: 11/19/2009 Member Since: 7/7/2006	zeolite, Precision Gem, Thanks for the info. "The greatest experts are only as good as the sum total of what they have seen." (Souren Melikian)
Posted: 3/8/2009 12:00:13 AM

P: 3/8/2009 12:10:40 AM
Chrono Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,327 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 4/22/2004	My local jeweller (who sells tons of gemstones) said that hearts are normally cheaper because they don't sell well. Also because they don't sell well, many cutters try their best to avoid that shape.
Posted: 3/8/2009 12:10:40 AM

P: 3/8/2009 5:04:41 AM
LovingDiamonds Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,686 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 6/29/2008	I find heart shapes, in general, a bit "twee" and it puts me off wearing mine (with the exception of the yellow heart pendant - and hopefully my new multi coloured diamond heart pendant). I can understand people not opting for heart shapes as they're also slightly more difficult to wear. I don't think they're cheaper per carat than any other cut - in fact they're normally about the same but since there's more work in cutting you'd expect there to be a higher premium so I guess the fact that they're normally priced reflects the lack of desire for this cut in the market place.
Posted: 3/8/2009 5:04:41 AM

P: 3/8/2009 11:46:09 AM
PrecisionGem Cut Rock Total Posts: 477 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 7/28/2004	As far as cutting time effecting cost, remember most colored stones are cut in places where the cutters are paid next to nothing per hour. So if a stone takes 2 times as long, it adds maybe $.20 to the cost. I know a guy that I see each year at Tucson has a cutting factory in China, he told me that each person MUST cut 30 stones a day. They work in an assembly line fashion, where one person only dops, then passes the stone down, the next person cuts the pavilion, passes it to the next who polished etc... The line will only cut one shape, and one size all day long. While the cutting is poor, and mostly windowed, and you would think they are cutting for weight, he told me they end up typically with about 15% recovery. 15 is very low, and I think is a result of poor planning, and not selecting the best cut for the stone. The poor quality of the cutting is just a result of careless cutting, not really understanding the correct angles to use, and of course working way to fast. Gene www.precisiongem.com
Posted: 3/8/2009 11:46:09 AM

P: 3/8/2009 12:05:32 PM
icekid Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,555 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 11/17/2004	Date: 3/8/2009 11:46:09 AM Author: PrecisionGem As far as cutting time effecting cost, remember most colored stones are cut in places where the cutters are paid next to nothing per hour. So if a stone takes 2 times as long, it adds maybe $.20 to the cost. I know a guy that I see each year at Tucson has a cutting factory in China, he told me that each person MUST cut 30 stones a day. They work in an assembly line fashion, where one person only dops, then passes the stone down, the next person cuts the pavilion, passes it to the next who polished etc... The line will only cut one shape, and one size all day long. While the cutting is poor, and mostly windowed, and you would think they are cutting for weight, he told me they end up typically with about 15% recovery. 15 is very low, and I think is a result of poor planning, and not selecting the best cut for the stone. The poor quality of the cutting is just a result of careless cutting, not really understanding the correct angles to use, and of course working way to fast. wow, that is interesting! And unfortunate, as well. Hopefully they're not doing this with expensive, rare rough at least?
Posted: 3/8/2009 12:05:32 PM

P: 3/8/2009 6:35:26 PM
tourmaline_lover Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,540 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 9/20/2008	These are not mine (I wish). Here is a suite of fancy colored diamonds.
Posted: 3/8/2009 6:35:26 PM

P: 3/8/2009 8:42:40 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Wow, great pic!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 3/8/2009 8:42:40 PM

P: 3/13/2009 8:47:45 PM
zeolite Cut Rock Total Posts: 321 Last Post: 10/28/2009 Member Since: 8/13/2008	Here's my newest heart, a 2.64 ct rhodolite garnet. Mr. zeolite, physicist, gemologist (GIA)
Posted: 3/13/2009 8:47:45 PM

P: 3/13/2009 8:57:45 PM
Chrono Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,327 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 4/22/2004	Date: 3/13/2009 8:47:45 PM Author: zeolite Here's my newest heart, a 2.64 ct rhodolite garnet. That's a beauty!
Posted: 3/13/2009 8:57:45 PM

P: 3/13/2009 9:56:55 PM
loriken214 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,955 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 10/21/2007	I have a bunch of hearts, but no photos, I KNOW, WHAT'S NEW! Anyway, I'm working with 23rd Street Jewelers and they are going to make a necklace for me. I don't know what color sapphire I will use yet, but it will look something like this. Lori My Pretty Kitty Coco
Posted: 3/13/2009 9:56:55 PM

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