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| P: 2/9/2009 5:43:53 PM | |
THEWOOD Rough Rock Total Posts: 12 Last Post: 2/10/2009 Member Since: 6/7/2008 |
Here is the diamond in question: It is GIA certified. Weight: 1.52 Color: E Clarity SI1 Table: 58 % Depth: 59.2% Crown: 33.5 degrees Pavillion: 40.6 degrees Cut: Very Good Symmetry: Excellent Polish: Excellent Price is around 12K. Thanks for the help.
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| Posted: 2/9/2009 5:43:53 PM | |
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| P: 2/9/2009 5:53:50 PM | |
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,867 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008 |
59.2% depth, 58% table, 33.5° crown angle, 40.6° pavilion angle, HCA 0.7 From the numbers it looks good, maybe a little shallow. Do you have an IS image of it? Price is slightly high given that it is cut graded VG.
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| Posted: 2/9/2009 5:53:50 PM | |
| P: 2/9/2009 5:58:42 PM | |
THEWOOD Rough Rock Total Posts: 12 Last Post: 2/10/2009 Member Since: 6/7/2008 |
I do not currently have an IS image of the diamond. It is at a "brick and mortar" store. I do think the diamond is slightly expensive. I think it is due to the fact I am getting a great deal on the setting. At least I think I am getting a great deal. This diamond would be set in a Jack Kelege Imperial Crown Halo setting. They are qouting me 6500 for the setting.
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| Posted: 2/9/2009 5:58:42 PM | |
| P: 2/9/2009 5:59:32 PM | |
THEWOOD Rough Rock Total Posts: 12 Last Post: 2/10/2009 Member Since: 6/7/2008 |
I also put the numbers into the HCA here on pricescope and it scored a .7
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| Posted: 2/9/2009 5:59:32 PM | |
| P: 2/9/2009 6:05:31 PM | |
JulieN Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,145 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 7/25/2005 |
too shallow for my taste.
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| Posted: 2/9/2009 6:05:31 PM | |
| P: 2/9/2009 6:17:43 PM | |
THEWOOD Rough Rock Total Posts: 12 Last Post: 2/10/2009 Member Since: 6/7/2008 |
Another one they are showing me is as follows GIA certified Weight: 1.55 Color: H Clarity SI1 Table: 57 % Depth: 62.7% Crown: 34.5 degrees Pavillion: 41.6 degrees Cut: Excellent Symmetry: Excellent Polish: Excellent Price is around 10K.
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| Posted: 2/9/2009 6:17:43 PM | |
| P: 2/9/2009 6:19:44 PM | |
JulieN Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,145 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 7/25/2005 |
pavilion angle is too deep on the second one.
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| Posted: 2/9/2009 6:19:44 PM | |
| P: 2/9/2009 6:23:23 PM | |
THEWOOD Rough Rock Total Posts: 12 Last Post: 2/10/2009 Member Since: 6/7/2008 |
I have a question. Why do you guys not like a shallow diamond? What does this take away from the stone? Also why did it rate so high in the HCA?
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| Posted: 2/9/2009 6:23:23 PM | |
| P: 2/9/2009 6:32:25 PM | |
JulieN Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,145 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 7/25/2005 |
Shallower stones have a tendency to look dark, especially if viewed closely. This one is outside the GIA and AGS parameters for their top grade.
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| Posted: 2/9/2009 6:32:25 PM | |
| P: 2/9/2009 6:37:34 PM | |
THEWOOD Rough Rock Total Posts: 12 Last Post: 2/10/2009 Member Since: 6/7/2008 |
so what would you recommend for depth?
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| Posted: 2/9/2009 6:37:34 PM | |
| P: 2/9/2009 6:38:55 PM | |
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GemologistK Rough Rock Total Posts: 9 Last Post: 3/23/2009 Member Since: 2/2/2009 |
Good diamond (1.52ct), Usually GIA wiil not give it excellent grade if it was too shallow ! What is the girdle thickness ? The price is not too bad either, maybe better around 10,000.00
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| Posted: 2/9/2009 6:38:55 PM | |
| P: 2/9/2009 6:39:51 PM | |
JulieN Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,145 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 7/25/2005 |
Date: 2/9/2009 6:38:55 PM Author: GemologistK Good diamond (1.52ct), Usually GIA wiil not give it excellent grade if it was too shallow ! What is the girdle thickness ? The price is not too bad either, maybe better around 10,000.00 It got Very Good from GIA.
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| Posted: 2/9/2009 6:39:51 PM | |
| P: 2/9/2009 6:41:46 PM | |
JulieN Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,145 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 7/25/2005 |
You can go higher in depth, like 63%, and still have a good stone if the angles work together. A top grade from GIA or AGS, combined with <2 on the HCA, should be your target.
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| Posted: 2/9/2009 6:41:46 PM | |
| P: 2/9/2009 6:52:43 PM | |
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Rockdiamond Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,404 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 1/7/2009 |
HI Everyone! THEWOOD- neither the GIA or most in the trade would say that 59.2% is "shallow" Generally speaking, when a diamond is cut too shallow, there is a "fish eye effect"- which is a ring that shows inside the table. If a diamond is too deep, it will have a dark center. It's important to remember that if two stones are well cut, one being 60% depth, the other being 62%, in many cases the shallower stone will appear to be larger- so going deeper does have down sides as well. Generally folks around here like "Ideal" cut diamonds- which tend to be slightly deeper than other well cut diamonds. But that does not mean that other combinations of depth table are not beautiful. Many people choose slightly larger, 60%+- depth stones after looking at both., Neither is "wrong" it's personal preference. You're in a great position to look at both stones since you're shopping B&M. Have a look for yourself and see which you love better. IN terms of the GIA grade, "Excellent" is the top grade- but there are MANY awesome stones getting"only" Very Good" on the cut grade- David- |
| Posted: 2/9/2009 6:52:43 PM | |
| P: 2/9/2009 8:02:33 PM | |
JulieN Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,145 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 7/25/2005 |
Date: 2/9/2009 6:52:43 PM Author: Rockdiamond HI Everyone! THEWOOD- neither the GIA or most in the trade would say that 59.2% is 'shallow' Generally speaking, when a diamond is cut too shallow, there is a 'fish eye effect'- which is a ring that shows inside the table. If a diamond is too deep, it will have a dark center. It's important to remember that if two stones are well cut, one being 60% depth, the other being 62%, in many cases the shallower stone will appear to be larger- so going deeper does have down sides as well. Generally folks around here like 'Ideal' cut diamonds- which tend to be slightly deeper than other well cut diamonds. But that does not mean that other combinations of depth table are not beautiful. Many people choose slightly larger, 60%+- depth stones after looking at both., Neither is 'wrong' it's personal preference. You're in a great position to look at both stones since you're shopping B&M. Have a look for yourself and see which you love better. IN terms of the GIA grade, 'Excellent' is the top grade- but there are MANY awesome stones getting'only' Very Good' on the cut grade- You forgot darkness due to obstruction. Anyway, THEWOOD, as long as you think it looks good, that is what matters.
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| Posted: 2/9/2009 8:02:33 PM | |
| P: 2/9/2009 8:06:44 PM | |
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strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003 |
Date: 2/9/2009 5:43:53 PM Author:THEWOOD Here is the diamond in question: It is GIA certified. Weight: 1.52 Color: E Clarity SI1 Table: 58 % Depth: 59.2% Crown: 33.5 degrees Pavillion: 40.6 degrees Cut: Very Good Symmetry: Excellent Polish: Excellent Price is around 12K. Thanks for the help. If the lgf% aka lower halfs are on the long side it can be a very good combo. It would tend to favor brightness over fire which some people like. I would say that the GIA grade is a little harsh if the lgf% is on the long side and about right if they are around 75%. Trust your eyes, if it speaks to you after viewing it in multiple lighting conditions and comparing it to a more traditional ideal cut then go for it. Price is high for internet pricing but b&m prices run higher. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K |
| Posted: 2/9/2009 8:06:44 PM | |
| P: 2/9/2009 8:08:09 PM | |
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,867 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008 |
OP should just go a take a look again at the 1.52c diamond in question, since it is at a B&M store and not online, and try to see if the obstruction is significant to him. If not noticeable, then it should be good to go. Maybe OP should try and get an idealscope?
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| Posted: 2/9/2009 8:08:09 PM | |
| P: 2/10/2009 5:03:36 AM | |
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Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,219 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005 |
Date: 2/9/2009 8:06:44 PM Author: strmrdr Date: 2/9/2009 5:43:53 PM Author:THEWOOD Here is the diamond in question: It is GIA certified. Weight: 1.52 Color: E Clarity SI1 Table: 58 % Depth: 59.2% Crown: 33.5 degrees Pavillion: 40.6 degrees Cut: Very Good Symmetry: Excellent Polish: Excellent Price is around 12K. Thanks for the help. If the lgf% aka lower halfs are on the long side it can be a very good combo. It would tend to favor brightness over fire which some people like. I would say that the GIA grade is a little harsh if the lgf% is on the long side and about right if they are around 75%. Trust your eyes, if it speaks to you after viewing it in multiple lighting conditions and comparing it to a more traditional ideal cut then go for it. Price is high for internet pricing but b&m prices run higher. Ditto! ![]() Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn |
| Posted: 2/10/2009 5:03:36 AM | |
| P: 2/10/2009 10:32:53 AM | |
THEWOOD Rough Rock Total Posts: 12 Last Post: 2/10/2009 Member Since: 6/7/2008 |
What is lgf%? I am trying to get an idealscope from the store. I have already seen this diamond in person and really liked it. I was comparing it against a a 1.52 G VS2 vg ex ex...dont have the specs on that one right now.
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| Posted: 2/10/2009 10:32:53 AM | |
| P: 2/10/2009 10:40:23 AM | |
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Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,219 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005 |
Date: 2/10/2009 10:32:53 AM Author: THEWOOD What is lgf%? I am trying to get an idealscope from the store. I have already seen this diamond in person and really liked it. I was comparing it against a a 1.52 G VS2 vg ex ex...dont have the specs on that one right now. Lower girdle facets - lgf. You can read more here - http://www.whiteflash.com/diamonds_info/t/articles.aspx?articleid=154&zoneid=14 If you have seen it and compared it to others and really liked it, then it sounds as if it is a potential purchase candidate. ![]() Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn |
| Posted: 2/10/2009 10:40:23 AM | |
| P: 2/10/2009 11:12:02 AM | |
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Rockdiamond Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,404 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 1/7/2009 |
Hi All! THEWOOD- it's not likely that your jeweler will be willing/ able to provide an idealscope image. ALthough such images are very common here, they are not all that common out in "the real world" If you can get one, that's great- people here will do a great job of anilyzing it. BUt the lack of IS images, if you are comfortable with the seller, is no concern at all. You are looking at diamonds graded by GIA ( extremely important) and nothing you have posted from the GIA reports indicates any problem whatsover to me. David- |
| Posted: 2/10/2009 11:12:02 AM | |
| P: 2/10/2009 11:50:09 AM | |
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GemologistK Rough Rock Total Posts: 9 Last Post: 3/23/2009 Member Since: 2/2/2009 |
Hi David, I agree with what you said 100%, Excellent Advice. The diamond in question has an excellent symmetry which has a good impact on the critical angles hence a good return of brilliance and scintillations. Joe RGA, NAJA
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| Posted: 2/10/2009 11:50:09 AM | |
| P: 2/10/2009 11:55:03 AM | |
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Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,219 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005 |
Date: 2/10/2009 10:32:53 AM Author: THEWOOD What is lgf%? I am trying to get an idealscope from the store. I have already seen this diamond in person and really liked it. I was comparing it against a a 1.52 G VS2 vg ex ex...dont have the specs on that one right now. I wanted to add also I doubt you will be able to get one from a jewellery store, it doesn't seem as if they are commonly available. ![]() Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn |
| Posted: 2/10/2009 11:55:03 AM | |
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