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The jury is in: Ebay diamond under Ideal-Scope!

P: 1/22/2009 9:46:44 PM
drewbot Rough Rock Total Posts: 43 Last Post: 5/30/2009 Member Since: 12/30/2008	What I "purchased" http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=200298765001 1.01 carat 6.25x 3.95 mm (=63% depth ratio) What I got: indeed weighed 0.2018g = about 1.01 carat but 6.0mm x 4.1mm = 68% depth ratio last but not least the ideal scope picture!!! (attached) here's the reference chart- not like you need it: http://www.ideal-scope.com/using_reference_chart.asp
Posted: 1/22/2009 9:46:44 PM

There are 134 replies to this message. There are 30 replies on this page.

P: 1/22/2009 9:50:05 PM
drewbot Rough Rock Total Posts: 43 Last Post: 5/30/2009 Member Since: 12/30/2008	oh and here's the cz with the same camera (i actually bumped the contrast up on the natural diamond to make it look a bit more like the reference chart)
Posted: 1/22/2009 9:50:05 PM

P: 1/22/2009 9:56:49 PM
:) Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,864 Last Post: 6/1/2009 Member Since: 7/25/2006	can you return it? If not maybe you could get it recut?
Posted: 1/22/2009 9:56:49 PM

P: 1/22/2009 9:57:54 PM
trillionaire Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,123 Last Post: 11/19/2009 Member Since: 4/19/2008	i didn't realize you could even call that a diamond... ******************************** Engaged: 7/18/09! Elopement: 9/25/10, our 7th anniversary! * Being happy doesn't mean that everything is perfect. It means that you've decided to look past the imperfections *
Posted: 1/22/2009 9:57:54 PM

P: 1/22/2009 10:09:03 PM
neatfreak Ideal Rock Total Posts: 13,433 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 2/17/2007	Eek.
Posted: 1/22/2009 10:09:03 PM

P: 1/22/2009 10:16:38 PM
CharmyPoo Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,573 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 12/10/2004	Scary!!
Posted: 1/22/2009 10:16:38 PM

P: 1/22/2009 10:19:36 PM
redrose229 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,337 Last Post: 10/29/2009 Member Since: 1/23/2008	I didnt realzie that ideal scopes could actually be painful to look at I actually winced and cringed at the same time Stephanie
Posted: 1/22/2009 10:19:36 PM

P: 1/22/2009 10:37:33 PM
drewbot Rough Rock Total Posts: 43 Last Post: 5/30/2009 Member Since: 12/30/2008	Yeah I can return it for full refund. I actually talked to the guy on the phone and he seems very interested in doing right by me after I demonstrated my grief very clearly.
Posted: 1/22/2009 10:37:33 PM

P: 1/22/2009 10:40:07 PM
kcoursolle Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,344 Last Post: 10/14/2009 Member Since: 1/21/2006	Refund time! The stone is heavily included and it looks like there are two rather large chips in the girdle of the stone.
Posted: 1/22/2009 10:40:07 PM

P: 1/22/2009 11:10:13 PM
CharmyPoo Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,573 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 12/10/2004	Seriously .. I have never actually seen an idealscope image that is this scary. Good thing he provides refunds!
Posted: 1/22/2009 11:10:13 PM

P: 1/22/2009 11:21:59 PM
Imdanny Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,831 Last Post: 11/17/2009 Member Since: 1/22/2008	That's disgusting.
Posted: 1/22/2009 11:21:59 PM

P: 1/22/2009 11:29:39 PM
gryffindor Cut Rock Total Posts: 156 Last Post: 5/18/2009 Member Since: 11/22/2008	Wow, very interesting to see this given all the clear and crisp pictures usually seen around here.
Posted: 1/22/2009 11:29:39 PM

P: 1/22/2009 11:44:46 PM
*DiamondDana** Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,168 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 7/21/2006	I am glad that it appears your refund will work out for you...I am sure that you will find what you are looking for! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you judge people, you have no time to love them ~Mother Teresa
Posted: 1/22/2009 11:44:46 PM

P: 1/23/2009 12:42:07 AM
drewbot Rough Rock Total Posts: 43 Last Post: 5/30/2009 Member Since: 12/30/2008	Thanks guys. I actually had Fred Meyer order some loose stones for me to inspect. They were to arrive this week. The plan was to compare side by side but... obviously that won't be necessary! The loose stones from Fred Meyer range from $3k to $6k at around 1 carat. I've already seen a pretty darn good looking stone for $3k when I was on vacation in oregon, so i expect a really good stone.. else I will be talking them down in price, ya know.
Posted: 1/23/2009 12:42:07 AM

P: 1/23/2009 12:44:02 AM
glitterata Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,356 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 4/17/2002	It was wrong of him to misrepresent the measurements, and I wouldn't keep it either. However, I sort of think, well, what did you expect? You bought an over 1 ct supposedly H SI2-SI3 for less than $1000. Did you think you'd be getting a superideal cut? Actually, I'm surprised at how GOOD the idealscope image is, considering.
Posted: 1/23/2009 12:44:02 AM

P: 1/23/2009 12:55:25 AM
arjunajane Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,737 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 1/18/2008	umm..its not even round! well, I hope you learnt your lesson. Seriously, I can't understand why you would receive fantastic advice from experts and prosumers and then disregard them to buy something this hideous. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "And let today embrace the past with remembrance and the future with longing." Kahlil Gibran
Posted: 1/23/2009 12:55:25 AM

P: 1/23/2009 12:58:04 AM
drewbot Rough Rock Total Posts: 43 Last Post: 5/30/2009 Member Since: 12/30/2008	glitterata - Well, yes and no. I didn't expect so much light leakage. I don't really mind the inclusions. I also was hoping for a round diamond not a chipped lopsided diamond. It almost looks passable to the naked eye, but alas, I don't buy anything that is misrepresented PERIOD! You can tell the difference between 6mm and 6.25mm with an elementary school ruler... and these people sell thousands of rocks. A good caliper would never be reading those dimentions listed PERIOD PERIOD PERIOD! arjunajane - i understand your position, but I don't need a lecture. I posted this image and thread at my own will and my intention wasn't to be criticized for it. "I told you so" is simply unnecessary. I was hoping that this may help others to learn from my experience as this is what forums are for. I'm just trying to contribute where I can, since you guys have been so helpful so far there. I updated my avatar so that I am branded by my failure. cast this rough rock away!
Posted: 1/23/2009 12:58:04 AM

P: 1/23/2009 1:07:27 AM
:) Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,864 Last Post: 6/1/2009 Member Since: 7/25/2006	OMG drewbot - your new avatar is totally cracking me up!!!
Posted: 1/23/2009 1:07:27 AM

P: 1/23/2009 1:15:26 AM
arjunajane Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,737 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 1/18/2008	I didn't lecture you, and I don't recall saying I told you so either. And I don't see how my comments are any more damning than the rest in this thread? I do agree you av is funny. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "And let today embrace the past with remembrance and the future with longing." Kahlil Gibran
Posted: 1/23/2009 1:15:26 AM

P: 1/23/2009 1:41:32 AM
Gypsy Ideal Rock Total Posts: 14,306 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 8/9/2005	Wow. That's something. Something incredibly scary. I'm fixated, like rubbernecker in traffic. Glad you are getting a refund, and that you have good sense of humor about this.
Posted: 1/23/2009 1:41:32 AM

P: 1/23/2009 1:48:49 AM
Noahsmom Cut Rock Total Posts: 228 Last Post: 3/14/2009 Member Since: 1/20/2009	I am new to the boards, but even as a newbie..eek. At least he is willing to work with you, are you planning on getting it recut too?
Posted: 1/23/2009 1:48:49 AM

P: 1/23/2009 3:58:04 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,174 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Oh Drew, I am sorry it worked out for you this way, I can see some arrows though!! Let us know how you get on with the refund and I LOVE the new avatar - ROFL! You take great pics by the way! Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 1/23/2009 3:58:04 AM

P: 1/23/2009 9:30:28 AM
decodelighted Ideal Rock Total Posts: 8,625 Last Post: 11/16/2009 Member Since: 7/27/2005	Oh Man! That is gasp inducing! Hope the return goes as smoothly as you're expecting it will!
Posted: 1/23/2009 9:30:28 AM

P: 1/23/2009 9:39:12 AM
diamondseeker2006 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 17,609 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 1/11/2006	Yes, this certainly proves the theory of "you get what you pay for." Thanks for posting it! ~~~ When in doubt...don't.~~~
Posted: 1/23/2009 9:39:12 AM

P: 1/23/2009 9:53:52 AM
Kelli Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,569 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 5/27/2008	Ugh. Hope your refund goes quickly and smoothly.
Posted: 1/23/2009 9:53:52 AM

P: 1/23/2009 10:49:12 AM
Dancing Fire Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,217 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 4/3/2004	Date: 1/22/2009 9:56:49 PM Author: :) can you return it? If not maybe you could get it recut? recut??? it would cost more to recut than the stone itself. it is always harder to find a "mind clean" stone than a eye clean stone.
Posted: 1/23/2009 10:49:12 AM

P: 1/23/2009 10:51:56 AM
motownmama Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,567 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 1/9/2008	light leakage? That stone is bleeding!
Posted: 1/23/2009 10:51:56 AM

P: 1/23/2009 2:20:43 PM
drewbot Rough Rock Total Posts: 43 Last Post: 5/30/2009 Member Since: 12/30/2008	Date: 1/23/2009 1:15:26 AM Author: arjunajane I didn't lecture you, and I don't recall saying I told you so either. And I don't see how my comments are any more damning than the rest in this thread? I do agree you av is funny. Sorry I didn't mean to be so harsh. We're cool, right? So the guy offered to refund me 50% of my entire purchase. I'm going to send the stones back today, but in order not to make this more confusing than it shoul be, i'm going to run down exactly how messed up they got me. I actually won 2 auctions, for 2 rocks, and with the intention of selecting one or none. Here is the short version: What I was expecting, and how much I paid: 1.01 carat 6.25x6.25x3.95mm 63.2% depth ratio 1.03 carat 6.3x6.3x4.0mm 61% depth ratio total cost to me $1511 approximate market value $6000 advertised market value $7000 What I actually got: 1.01 carat 6.0x6.0x3.95mm 68.3% depth ratio 0.343 carat 4.5x4.5x2.8mm 62% depth ratio 0.327 carat 4.5x4.5x2.75mm 61% depth ratio approximate market value $1500 + $300 + 300 = $2100 So I paid $1511 and recieved $2100 worth of rough looking diamonds. The seller offered to refund 50% of my money. I could walk away from this for a total cost to me of about $750. I may not exactly have what I wanted, but should I take this deal as it was offered to me? I think I'm going to head down to fred meyers and see how nasty their $3000 rock is (and bring my Idealscope) Thanks everyone! Boy is this fun More pics to come!
Posted: 1/23/2009 2:20:43 PM

P: 1/23/2009 4:31:05 PM
Todd Gray Ideal Rock Total Posts: 591 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 1/20/2009	All I can say is "WOW!" I'm stunned... It really doesn't look "anything" like the diamond provided within the advertised item description on eBay now does it? The SI-2 / SI-3 description on clarity is a real stretch! Then again, under federal guidelines the seller only has to be within three clarity grades of the actual clarity grade to be in compliance - if this incident isn't a case study for the importance of legitimate lab grading I don't know what is... Unless I'm mistaken, the seller offers a full refund within 7 days of purchase, if he's now only offering you 50% I think you're being scammed and I'd go this route IC3 Internet Crimes Task Force which is monitored by the F.B.I. which by the way is our first line of defense as dealers when some idiot tries to sell us diamond rough outside the realm of the Kimberley Diamond Act and similar scams. __________________________ Todd Gray Nice Ice Ideal Cut Diamonds GemTrace Laser Inscribed Diamond Registry
Posted: 1/23/2009 4:31:05 PM

P: 1/23/2009 4:49:16 PM
MC Ideal Rock Total Posts: 8,802 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 2/8/2003	That is for sure the worst diamond I've seen under an ideal-scope. I hope you do not plan to let that guy make things right! Get a refund and buy from someone else.
Posted: 1/23/2009 4:49:16 PM

P: 1/23/2009 4:54:34 PM
neatfreak Ideal Rock Total Posts: 13,433 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 2/17/2007	Date: 1/23/2009 2:20:43 PM Author: drewbot Date: 1/23/2009 1:15:26 AM Author: arjunajane I didn't lecture you, and I don't recall saying I told you so either. And I don't see how my comments are any more damning than the rest in this thread? I do agree you av is funny. Sorry I didn't mean to be so harsh. We're cool, right? So the guy offered to refund me 50% of my entire purchase. I'm going to send the stones back today, but in order not to make this more confusing than it shoul be, i'm going to run down exactly how messed up they got me. I actually won 2 auctions, for 2 rocks, and with the intention of selecting one or none. Here is the short version: What I was expecting, and how much I paid: 1.01 carat 6.25x6.25x3.95mm 63.2% depth ratio 1.03 carat 6.3x6.3x4.0mm 61% depth ratio total cost to me $1511 approximate market value $6000 advertised market value $7000 What I actually got: 1.01 carat 6.0x6.0x3.95mm 68.3% depth ratio 0.343 carat 4.5x4.5x2.8mm 62% depth ratio 0.327 carat 4.5x4.5x2.75mm 61% depth ratio approximate market value $1500 + $300 + 300 = $2100 So I paid $1511 and recieved $2100 worth of rough looking diamonds. The seller offered to refund 50% of my money. I could walk away from this for a total cost to me of about $750. I may not exactly have what I wanted, but should I take this deal as it was offered to me? I think I'm going to head down to fred meyers and see how nasty their $3000 rock is (and bring my Idealscope) Thanks everyone! Boy is this fun More pics to come! I hope you are kidding about keeping them. $750 is much too much for these pieces of crap.
Posted: 1/23/2009 4:54:34 PM

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