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ť Looking at a few stones from GOG... does actual look of stone increase cost?

Looking at a few stones from GOG... does actual look of stone increase cost?

P: 12/23/2008 7:01:58 PM
little80 Rough Rock Total Posts: 2 Last Post: 12/24/2008 Member Since: 12/23/2008	I'm a newbie to the diamonds industry but have had to learn as i'm looking for an e-ring. I'm currenlty looking for a 1.00 to 1.20c Princess cut that is around $5000 to $6000. I have found a few stones on GOG but their prices seem to be about 5 to 600 above all others i'm comparing to that have almost identical specs. From what i have read, they hand pick only the best stones with great cuts. Would this alone increase the cost over another diamond that doesn't look as good visually? I'm willing to pay the extra for the costumer service support of a local dealer that will help you out if something goes wrong without having any hassles.
Posted: 12/23/2008 7:01:58 PM

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P: 12/23/2008 7:07:50 PM
beach Ideal Rock Total Posts: 690 Last Post: 7/5/2009 Member Since: 12/16/2007	Not really sure what you are asking :) Can you clarify your question? Several things contribute to cost....
Posted: 12/23/2008 7:07:50 PM

P: 12/23/2008 7:12:54 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 12/23/2008 7:01:58 PM Author:little80 I'm a newbie to the diamonds industry but have had to learn as i'm looking for an e-ring. I'm currenlty looking for a 1.00 to 1.20c Princess cut that is around $5000 to $6000. I have found a few stones on GOG but their prices seem to be about 5 to 600 above all others i'm comparing to that have almost identical specs. From what i have read, they hand pick only the best stones with great cuts. Would this alone increase the cost over another diamond that doesn't look as good visually? I'm willing to pay the extra for the costumer service support of a local dealer that will help you out if something goes wrong without having any hassles. Yes, you will pay for cut (better). Whether it's worth it is up to you. But cut is what makes a diamond, more than color or clarity. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 12/23/2008 7:12:54 PM

P: 12/23/2008 7:14:32 PM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,873 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	Ya, similar stats does not equate to similar optical performance, especially for fancy cuts. Those $5-600 cheaper stones might be poor performers but GOG stones are mostly top grades.
Posted: 12/23/2008 7:14:32 PM

P: 12/23/2008 7:23:42 PM
Regular Guy Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,315 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 7/7/2004	Date: 12/23/2008 7:01:58 PM Author:little80 Would this alone increase the cost over another diamond that doesn't look as good visually? I think part of the premium will be in your feeling confident that the diamond is optimized. It may or may not be possible that another option is as good...but you'd be hard pressed to know. Another strategy, in the case of princesses, is to select an option anywhere with an AGS certificate with a 0 for light performance. In this case, though there's speculation here of variation within this criteria as well, that's tougher probably to put your finger on.... Ira (Ruffles have Ridges) Z. ____________ If you're looking for diamond shopping tips...this (along with this update) might do the trick! however...caution: known to have been regarded as armed and dangerous
Posted: 12/23/2008 7:23:42 PM

P: 12/23/2008 10:23:23 PM
NeverEndingUpgrade Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,536 Last Post: 11/14/2009 Member Since: 10/3/2007	Sometimes diamond prices reflect what the cutter was charging for a particular stone. This might account for higher or lower pricing.
Posted: 12/23/2008 10:23:23 PM

P: 12/23/2008 11:09:54 PM
swingirl Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,283 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 4/6/2006	Give us the links to the stones you are comparing and someone here experienced with princess stones might be able to tell you why one is priced higher than another.
Posted: 12/23/2008 11:09:54 PM

P: 12/24/2008 3:41:30 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,222 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 12/23/2008 11:09:54 PM Author: swingirl Give us the links to the stones you are comparing and someone here experienced with princess stones might be able to tell you why one is priced higher than another. Ditto, good suggestion ( as usual!) Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 12/24/2008 3:41:30 AM

P: 12/24/2008 2:10:23 PM
little80 Rough Rock Total Posts: 2 Last Post: 12/24/2008 Member Since: 12/23/2008	PRINCESS CUT Carat Color Clarity Depth Tbl Lab Gdl Cul Sym Pol Flr Measurements $/Crt Price Source 1.01 F VS1 73.3% 69% GIA pt gd vg no 5.45x5.43x3.98 $4074 $4115 ANGARA 1.01 F VS1 74.8% 69% GIA med-sl thk no ex ex no 5.65x5.40x4.04 $4596 $4642SF BLUE NILE 1.01 F VS1 74.4% 68% GIA thn-sl thk no ex ex no 5.48x5.43x4.04 $4596 $4642SF BLUE NILE 1.01 F VS1 73.6% 69% GIA vtk no vg ex 5.50-5.41x3.98 $4706 $4753*S WHITEFLASH 1.01 F VS1 74% 68% GIA no ex ex no 5.59x5.47x4.06 $5248 $5300 GOOD OLD GOLD I'm just trying to get a feel for what really makes the price differences amongst very similiar stones.
Posted: 12/24/2008 2:10:23 PM

P: 12/24/2008 3:04:57 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	Date: 12/24/2008 2:10:23 PM Author: little80 PRINCESS CUT Carat Color Clarity Depth Tbl Lab Gdl Cul Sym Pol Flr Measurements $/Crt Price Source 1.01 F VS1 73.3% 69% GIA pt gd vg no 5.45x5.43x3.98 $4074 $4115 ANGARA 1.01 F VS1 74.8% 69% GIA med-sl thk no ex ex no 5.65x5.40x4.04 $4596 $4642SF BLUE NILE 1.01 F VS1 74.4% 68% GIA thn-sl thk no ex ex no 5.48x5.43x4.04 $4596 $4642SF BLUE NILE 1.01 F VS1 73.6% 69% GIA vtk no vg ex 5.50-5.41x3.98 $4706 $4753S WHITEFLASH 1.01 F VS1 74% 68% GIA no ex ex no 5.59x5.47x4.06 $5248 $5300 GOOD OLD GOLD I'm just trying to get a feel for what really makes the price differences amongst very similiar stones.* Numbers tell you nothing about if they are similar stones. Princess cuts cant be selected by numbers alone. Unless you have images for each of them including ASET images followed by a visual comparison you cant know they are similar. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 12/24/2008 3:04:57 PM

P: 12/24/2008 10:58:24 PM
swingirl Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,283 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 4/6/2006	Can't find exact Angara stone but stones with those specs start at at $4770 and are Very Good cut (according to Angara) Both Blue Nile stones you found are listed as Very Good cuts (according to BN). They are not part of their "Signature Ideal" selection. Can't find the WF stone in their inventory. GOG's stone is Ideal (according to GOG). GOG is the only vender that has a photo posted. The cost of an excellent cut with excellent polish and symmetry is going to be higher than VG and G. These stone aren't as similar as you might think. Although we can't see them.
Posted: 12/24/2008 10:58:24 PM

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