Requesting a subforum for fancy coloured diamonds

Well put, Tristan - would love to find a corner niche for FCDs that balances the two very different areas of priority re: cut and color.

Thank you for the suggestion.

We are looking into creating one in the near future.

I have mixed feelings about a new FCD forum.
I suspect that while a dedicated FCD forum will be delightful for me and a few others, and for FCD vendors, the overall effect will be LESS FCD exposure to the bulk of PSers and fewer FCD sales.
A new FCD forum will get very very few eyeballs, compared to what they get today on RT and CS.
Look at the post counts and view counts for some of PS's other specialized fora.

I have a love affair with FCDs and I like to spread the word and introduce people to them.
Those people today hang out on RT and CS.

FCDs are a small niche market.
I don't think very many people who would open an FCD thread on RT or CS will bother checking yet ANOTHER forum.
We will lose them.

An FCD forum will be preaching to the choir, so to speak.
This is not a good way to spread FCD-love to new people.

I think the solution is not a new forum, but a programing solution which causes all FCD threads to be visible in both RT and CS.
FCD discussions truly do belong in both of those fora, not in neither of them.
FCD threads benefit from the expertise of both communities, even in spite of RT's cut emphasis.

If there must be an FCD forum, then I hope PS can program to keep all threads in that forum show up as shadow threads in CS and RT.
I think it is called a shadow thread.

personally, a color stone is a Color Stone whether a diamond, ruby, sapphire or lovely spess. therefore, i think the current color stone forum here has and can continue to be the forum for FCD discussion.

while i understand the desire by some to "improve" cut, color stones are not about cut but about COLOR. and so it is also true with FCD's.

i am not a fan of buying a stone and having it recut; however, it would seem that those desiring a better cut FCD could have this done on their own dime.

i for one would hate to see cut take priority over color. yes, this is the opinion of a true color stone person.

Written by movie zombie » July 7th, 2011, 10:47 am:i for one would hate to see cut take priority over color. yes, this is the opinion of a true color stone person.

Well that's the funny thing about FCDs.
Yes, the industry cuts FCDs to strengthen the color because getting a higher grade, like Fancy Vivid instead of just Fancy Intense, produces much higher profit from the same piece of rough...
BUT...
I have learned from buying almost 20 FCDs that FCDs CAN have better or worse cut-related light performance, just like with colorless diamonds.
This light performance is 100% independent of how good the color is.

I shoot for the best of both worlds (good color AND good light performance) in one stone.
I rarely get it, but it's a worthy goal and I think if PS has any influence on buyers, sellers, and cutters we may educate customers to demand better light performance from FCDs.
It IS possible.
I think a PS education can mean customers will demand better light performance from FCDs.
I have returned some and have said why.
At least one vendor knows at least one FCD buyer cares about light performance too.

I do not agree with the mentality that we should throw our hands up and only pay attention to FCD's color no matter how crappy the light performance.
I believe this is the mentality that many FCD sellers want us to accept.

When it comes to the CS and RT communities and where FCD discussions "belong" . . .
I do not think that RT's cut-for-light-performance bias is that troublesome to FCD discussions, and I do not think CS's cut-for-optimum-color bias is that troublesome.
They do not compete, they compliment and are both true when it comes to FCDs.

IMHO FCD discussions should reach the expertise of both communities.

Written by kenny » July 7th, 2011, 12:41 am:I have mixed feelings about a new FCD forum.
I suspect that while a dedicated FCD forum will be delightful for me and a few others, and for FCD vendors, the overall effect will be LESS FCD exposure to the bulk of PSers and fewer FCD sales.
A new FCD forum will get very very few eyeballs, compared to what they get today on RT and CS.
Look at the post counts and view counts for some of PS's other specialized fora.

I have a love affair with FCDs and I like to spread the word and introduce people to them.
Those people today hang out on RT and CS.

FCDs are a small niche market.
I don't think very many people who would open an FCD thread on RT or CS will bother checking yet ANOTHER forum.
We will lose them.

An FCD forum will be preaching to the choir, so to speak.
This is not a good way to spread FCD-love to new people.

I think the solution is not a new forum, but a programing solution which causes all FCD threads to be visible in both RT and CS.
FCD discussions truly do belong in both of those fora, not in neither of them.
FCD threads benefit from the expertise of both communities, even in spite of RT's cut emphasis.

If there must be an FCD forum, then I hope PS can program to keep all threads in that forum show up as shadow threads in CS and RT.
I think it is called a shadow thread.

I am new to the whole diamond world, but in my short time I have found a soft spot for FCDs. However, I know for a fact that I never would have found this interest if not for threads in the RT forum.

kenny, i agree that i want some light performance also.

but i also know that as light performance goes up so will price.......

and i'm not sure that many pricescopers will be happy about that.

as it is now those of us that buy [admittedly i don't buy as frequently as some] can find some nice performers that are "affordable".

and while education is a great thing, putting pressure on the industry will result in higher prices for a product that is already out of the reach of many.

the question remains: do we need a separate forum for FCD's? perhaps we do.....as many have come to them from different forums. obviously, i've reconsidered.

I'd like to learn more about FCD's, but I'm not sure I'd remember to check another subforum. I already visit CS, RT, SMTB and Hangout on a regular basis. I keep forgetting about the Diamond Research sub-forum, so I rarely visit it. I'm afraid there's a limit to how many sub-forums some of us (the older ones among us, ha-ha) can keep up with. Maybe you need a sticky at the top of RT or CS as a place to collect helpful threads on FCD's (no matter what forum they originated in).

I'm not sure about having a separate sub forum for the following reasons:-

1. FCDs are a niche market and people find information either when looking for diamonds OR have a love of colour.

2. FCDs probably have more in common with coloured stones because in both worlds, colour is KING. Posters in the coloured stone forum talk predominately about colour BUT also acknowledge cut - so it does have its cross-over with white diamonds in some respects.

3. If you look at the people who have bought a number of FCDs, they seem to hang out more in the coloured stone forum (I may be wrong but that's my gut reaction).

4. I don't think (and am prepared to be corrected) that there are many people that buy only FCDs (perhaps Kenny being an exception?).

5. It's good to have everything in one place!

So colored diamonds think they're better than the rest of us colored stones?

yes. they are diamonds and as such demand much more respect than garnets, tourmalines, even rubies or sapphires as per the marketing geniuses at de beers.

for the record, i have a coupld of FCD's myself and i'd never think to go anywhere other than the Color Stone forum for info.

Written by LovingDiamonds » July 7th, 2011, 4:04 pm:4. I don't think (and am prepared to be corrected) that there are many people that buy only FCDs (perhaps Kenny being an exception?).

Also for the record I have about the same number of colorless diamonds as FCDs.
I only point this out so I'm not perceived has having favoritism of one over the other when it comes to the politics of PS fora.
I love them all.

Actually the solution that I requested might actually be the death of new interest - as Kenny pointed out.

My frustrations stem from the fact that to get both sides of the coin I actually need to post variously in both RT and CS forums and that is actually frowned upon.

No, coloured diamonds are not innately superior to any/all other gemstones. But they are a different animal due to occurance, availability and the price. Unfortunately I feel that cut matters a lot. If you see the excitement in CS forums about all the precision cut gems, cut drops etc... you know what we mean when we say that FCDs deserve to be cut to the most exacting standards possible. CS forumers may espouse a love for colour first, but the good cutters are marrying both worlds in a way that stirs the PS wallet into action time and time again.

CS is definitely more appropriate as a forum at this point in time, but many of the big value purchases are happening in RT. Barring the odd ruby and alex purchase discussed in CS, the bulk of the stones are gorgeous gems with the added virtue of being within reach of more people than FCDs. Would be nice to get the duality of coverage that FCDs deserve.

Tristan if you hang around CS long enough you'll see a high number of very unusual and rare gemstones that have a nice price tag! They are the exception rather than the rule I'd agree - but then so are FCDs!

Just because CS'ers love colour doesn't mean cut isn't important to some. Some CS'ers will only buy precision cut coloured gemstones. Others buy both and some buy whatever pleases them.

The reality is that FCDs are not in plentiful supply and so no matter how many forums we may wish there were asking for precision cut FCDS, the market is unlikely to adjust going forward. If you look at the rarest of coloured gemstones you'll also find that they are cut for weight/colour first and foremost - just like FCDs finding a precision cut one in a decent size is exceptionally difficult.

That's why I believe the two worlds (FCD and CS) belong together!