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Sorry for your experience. It sounds frustrating for sure. I had a custom setting created by another vendor and I never thought for a second that they would start the project without my stone in their hands. I wonder why WF led you believe otherwise especially when you''ve said you are asking for a complicated design that took 4 pages to describe.
Hope it now can now progress smoothly. It sounds like it''ll be a very special ring when it''s complete. |
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Hindsight being what it is I suppose. This was my first venture in to jewelry, let alone something custom. Having done more than my share of custom design work at a CAD station I can say that with the most basic of stone dimensions they could get 90% of the way there, obviously understanding what they don't yet have, and modify the work when it is available. I can agree that ideal starting position is stone in hand however I still don't think that assumption is that far out there considering that it was never mentioned... which is ultimately my gripe. Layout the ground rules and I'll have no issue playing by them, but to pull the rug out half way doesn't seem like everyone was thinking everyone all the way through. Add in the fact that they partially contributed to delays in getting the stone (delays in shipping instructions), and then delays AFTER the stone arrived and I think my sour taste is more than justified. I still believe WF has an opportunity to make this right in my mind, we aren't done yet. I think this post was also just cathartic.... I have been trying to keep this a secret and Lauren is really the only individual I've been talking to about it so it feels good to vent. I appreciate the encouragement from everyone though. I am as excited as ever about the completion of the project though, all the waiting! |
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I am so sorry that things are working out for you this way! It stinks, there is no way around it. I also am surprised though that WF would have told you that work would begin on your ring without the stone in hand, as I have never known that to happen with a custom ring, but of course if you are new to the process then you wouldn't know to ask about that specifically. I'm not sure if WF told you that work WOULD begin or if you assumed it would, but if it's the latter then I don't think they pulled out the rug from under you on at least that detail of this transaction.
I am sure Whiteflash will do what they can for you to make it right... and I am sure the ring will be phenomenal when it's done if it's any consolation! |
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To be fair, let's clarify.
I did not say that WF said work would begin without the stone. I did say that they never brought it to my attnetion that work would not begin without the stone though (I know....a$$uME). The 15 updates I asked for before the stone showed up may have been a good time to to let me know that was the plan, or you know, when we talked about scheduling building a custom ring with a stone I was supplying. It wasn't intentional, WF wasn't trying to pull a fast one or anything but that doesn't make it suck less. This post isn't meant to flame WF or discourage anyone from buying from them, just share my experience and vent. |
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Gotcha, sorry about that. It was the "pulling the rug out" comment that made me think that WF had told you one thing and then did another with that. It really sucks that''s all there is to it. I hope that they''ll get it in the mail to you ASAP so you can propose to your wonderful girlfriend and that they can make it right for you. |
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You''ll get there, Walter. I''m glad you posted this because it''s important for others not familiar with custom work to see others experiences.
![]() I hadn''t even thought to mention this until now, but my husband assumed (there''s that word again) that because all of WF''s stock settings were 18k white gold, that my custom piece would be, as well. He didn''t ask, no one ever told him it wouldn''t be, and I ended up with 14k WG. Luckily, my skin isn''t allergic and nearly 3 years in, I haven''t had to re-rhodium or anything, but I made a post here on PS about it because the lack of information on his part was similar to your situation with the CAD work. And we were on a tight schedule - we were getting MARRIED March 9th, and any delays like yours could have kept me from having ANY ring for my wedding day. He received my ring on February 8th or 9th, I believe. |
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Well then, to be fair, it seems the majority of the issues you are facing now were based on an assumption on your part...I''m not sure what your design looks like, but it would be a real misadventure and irresponsible for any jeweller to start a custom ring without the actual centre stone. That would be opening a can of worms for both the customer and designer. I understand you were not aware of this, and clearly there was some miscommunication on the topic between yourself and WF - I don''t think that issue is either party''s fault. If they did continually not meet deadlines, promises on timing - yes, that is frustrating and not what we usually expect from WF. But in all honestly, it sounds as if your project is now coming along (meeting with the designer etc), so I wouldn''t let this setback marr the process too much. Hope to see the CADS soon, sounds exciting! |
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That sounds frustrating. I have to say in my experience with custom work (three items, two different vendors) it never goes as scheduled. Typically you hear better thngs about Whiteflash''s communication/custom work timing, but it is very, very, very typical to have the work take longer than planned, though perhaps not so much with Whiteflash. It''s one of those things that''ll make me think hard about ever going custom again, especially with a deadline. Sorry- not much help to you though. Hopefully the finished product will be so fab it''ll make up for the delay/communication issues.
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Walter, on behalf of Whiteflash, I am so sorry for the disappointment you’ve experienced on this custom project. We feel as badly as you do, and I want to assure you that we are working feverishly to get this ring to you as promptly as possible while still producing an heirloom that you’ll be proud to present.
I agree with you that communication is the key to setting expectations, and with the clarity of hindsight, it’s easy to see where we needed to provide you with more information about the process. In fairness, I will say that it’s much easier to determine that now with hindsight than it is with foresight. When Katie quoted 17-20 business days for your project, it was late October (23rd) and you were eager to begin the process. (To meet a ship date of December 8 with a 20-day completion window, we could begin as late as November 7. With two weeks to spare, there was ample time to complete your ring.) Unfortunately, no one could anticipate the many obstacles you’d encounter in rejecting the first stone, selecting a replacement, and the subsequent shipping delay from your vendor. These obstacles collectively caused a three-week delay. With your replacement stone not shipping until November 13, even an overnight drop-ship to us wouldn’t have recovered the time lost from the prior delay. While it makes sense that delays on the front end would likely impact the completion date, it’s clear now that we should have drawn your attention to this to reset your expectations. I want to apologize sincerely for your frustration at feeling misinformed regarding the CAD process. Normally, payment does trigger commencement of a custom order because we typically have the stone inhouse already. In your instance, Katie regretfully overlooked the fact that your stone wouldn’t arrive as quickly as payment would. We completely understand your frustration at feeling ill-informed; while it wouldn’t have improved the timeline situation at that point, it wouldn’t have left you feeling dissatisfied with our communication. Regarding your requests for shipping instructions, I do see that on the same day you made the first request, Vera emailed you requesting valuation documentation needed (for insurance purposes) before we could issue the shipping instructions and documents. We were awaiting your reply when you called to make a second request for them. We missed our committed timeline on providing CADs to you, plain and simple....no excuses. CADs aren't an exact science and they can take longer than expected, especially now during our busiest season, but we should have been proactive in coming to you to advise of that delay. We WILL improve on this aspect going forward. Most important, I want to emphatically assure you that we aren’t apathetic about completing your ring. We *absolutely* feel a sense of urgency on your order, and we are doing all we can to expedite this for you. With that said, though, we cannot shortcut the steps required to make the ring correctly without compromising the end product. We don’t want that, and we know you don’t either. We share in your disappointment that the ring won’t be ready when you’d hoped, and we’re doing all we can do expedite this for you. Our CAD engineer, Joe, has been working evening hours at home on this in efforts to make it happen as quickly as we can. We hear you and we understand how important this is to you, and we’re committed to working with you to bring a positive outcome to this. If there is anything I can do personally to contribute to that effort, please get in touch with me and let me know how I can help. |
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Thank you very much for taking the time to reply Alison. As I've said to Lauren all along I didn't want to post anything prematurely as I have heard nothing but great things about your customer service and wanted to continue to give you the benefit of the doubt. (I will mention that it would have been nice to have been reached out to without having had to post this in public though). I agree with your statements on most accounts however I have an issue with the comments below.
I've attached a portion of the order confirmation sent to me by Vera on November 12th, signed and returned the same day. You can clearly see that it indicates an estimated Dec 8th ship date. The Oct. 23rd date was not the only date that a Dec. 8th ship date was quoted to me. Additionally, since WF was involved in all of these updates, it would have been appreciated to communicate the expected impact on the project (as clearly this was due to circumstances that were not even related to WF). This has all been a great learning experience for me, Joe and Katie have been nothing but a pleasure to work with. Unavoidable delays happen in every aspect of life, and I know that this is not how WF had wanted this to unfold. I appreciate the confirmation that this is indeed a priority for WF (which is all that I was ever looking for). Hopefully my experience can help others avoid similar pitfalls.
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Thanks for all of the encouragement everyone! I am as excited as ever (both about the ring, and the engagement) after receiving the CAD images last night. When Joe and I spoke the open item was the scroll work which I provided feedback today so hopefully I will see the rendering of the final product soon!
It should be! He's had it for a while, if you are interested I'd probably contact Barry directly (if it hasn't been sold again already!) I'll post some photos.
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And one last shot. (all three were taken outdoors, well, all 4 including Barry's)
I think this one is the closest to how it looked to me in real life however I feel they all give it a darker / bluer appearance. While beautiful it just was too light for what I was looking for.
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