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Re: PriceScope Jewelry Search

Congrats to Pricescope. To develop such a feature with so many variables and make it intuitive and user friendly is a very big undertaking. It's pretty obvious that most of the people coming to the forum ultimately want a finished piece of jewelry, even if they shop diamonds separately. This makes i...

by Texas Leaguer

July 31st, 2014, 4:13 pm
Global announcement: PriceScope Jewelry Search

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Re: ASETs and fancy cuts

If you could provide ASET to go along with it, that would make it complete. I also think you have to do your best to push through some of the nonsense. That is always part of the rough and tumble of an open forum. Okay here you go. http://www.pricescope.com/forum/files/icp/orcthreeimages.jpg http:/...

by Texas Leaguer

July 31st, 2014, 2:10 pm

Forum: RockyTalky

Topic: ASETs and fancy cuts

Replies: 84

Views: 1079
Re: ASETs and fancy cuts

I have to disagree Bryan. There's no way to grade clarity, to GIA or AGSL standards without a loupe. Exactly. That's why you use the right tools for the specific goals you wish to achieve. For assessing how a diamond is handling light ASET is a useful tool - If you understand what it does and does ...

by Texas Leaguer

July 31st, 2014, 2:01 pm

Forum: RockyTalky

Topic: ASETs and fancy cuts

Replies: 84

Views: 1079
Re: ASETs and fancy cuts

John, and Bryan- part of the reason we go back and forth on certain issues is a differing philsohpy. Take the AGSL 0 princess cut. They are incredible stones, and remarkably consistent in a world of mish mash bad attempts. In that, I can see tremendous value added. But I'd be so totally bummed if a...

by Texas Leaguer

July 31st, 2014, 1:45 pm

Forum: RockyTalky

Topic: ASETs and fancy cuts

Replies: 84

Views: 1079
Re: ASETs and fancy cuts

Let me just throw this out there to all the pros posting: What is your opinion of AGSL Fancy Shape Cut Grading? princess is somewhat useful the rest is useless mainly because it does not take into account visual patterns and off axis lighting and is too much RB centric. Tilt is not the same as off ...

by Texas Leaguer

July 31st, 2014, 12:37 pm

Forum: RockyTalky

Topic: ASETs and fancy cuts

Replies: 84

Views: 1079
Re: ASETs and fancy cuts

Brian, the reason it is relevant to this thread is that ASET and AGSL grading are inexorably tied together. David, This thread is supposed to be about interpretation of ASET images of fancy shape diamonds. We are simply talking about ASET maps and photos along side stone data and expert description...

by Texas Leaguer

July 31st, 2014, 12:31 pm

Forum: RockyTalky

Topic: ASETs and fancy cuts

Replies: 84

Views: 1079
Re: ASETs and fancy cuts

Let me just throw this out there to all the pros posting: What is your opinion of AGSL Fancy Shape Cut Grading? David, Rather than throw it out here, why don't you start a seperate thread? For the record, I am only familiar with the princess cut grading model and I think it is excellent. I believe ...

by Texas Leaguer

July 31st, 2014, 12:16 pm

Forum: RockyTalky

Topic: ASETs and fancy cuts

Replies: 84

Views: 1079
Re: ASETs and fancy cuts

In such threads heads still pound bricks over fundamentals many pages later. More is more: 200 proof is the most intoxicating ABV. And RED is the most intense light return seen in ASET. What's "better" is a matter of context and taste. But as a fundamental baseline of discussion - whether...

by Texas Leaguer

July 31st, 2014, 11:10 am

Forum: RockyTalky

Topic: ASETs and fancy cuts

Replies: 84

Views: 1079
Re: Do you prefer GIA or AGS ?...

16 to 6 for AGS lab... :confused: where are the GIA fans hiding ? I thought GIA would out number AGS 2 to 1 It is a result of the value that people in this particular community place on cut quality. The AGS light performance grading system is much more exacting and reliable. And unlike GIA they als...

by Texas Leaguer

July 31st, 2014, 9:15 am

Forum: RockyTalky

Topic: Do you prefer GIA or AGS ?...

Replies: 21

Views: 561
Re: Expert opinions on round brilliant diamond please!

Odd Shot, Diamon Hawk set you on the right path with information. I will just add a few comments. You have seen the diamond and you seem to be excited about it. That is what really counts in the final analysis. However, you will not get ringing endorsements for your choice on this forum. The mantra ...

by Texas Leaguer

July 31st, 2014, 7:33 am

Forum: RockyTalky

Topic: Expert opinions on round brilliant diamond please!

Replies: 5

Views: 195
Re: ASETs and fancy cuts

It is a weakness of ASET that it was designed for MRB's. It is a fact that the modern RB has reduced off axis light performance compared to other designs and many older designs. It is to the point that many people when viewing RBs will turn of axis lighting into on axis lighting by turning the tabl...

by Texas Leaguer

July 30th, 2014, 10:29 pm

Forum: RockyTalky

Topic: ASETs and fancy cuts

Replies: 84

Views: 1079
Re: ASETs and fancy cuts

Hi Bryan, How about having another professional question these assumptions? You've got just about every pro here singing in perfect harmony- like everyone has drank the same kool aid. rofl not really, there is a lot we don't all agree on, forum posts are just too clumsy to hash it out. I understand...

by Texas Leaguer

July 30th, 2014, 5:18 pm

Forum: RockyTalky

Topic: ASETs and fancy cuts

Replies: 84

Views: 1079
Re: ASETs and fancy cuts

The front of any AGSL presentation on Angular Spectrum Evaluation cites this: "Even though light can come from any direction, our world is lit from above." That is the premise of ASET evaluation. It's also the way pros have graded, traded and retailed diamonds. No diamond dealer runs into...

by Texas Leaguer

July 30th, 2014, 4:10 pm

Forum: RockyTalky

Topic: ASETs and fancy cuts

Replies: 84

Views: 1079
Re: ASETs and fancy cuts

I see nothing wrong with acknowledging that our modern world is generally lit from above, and that therefore red will generally represent the brightest light. That is a pretty common sense notion to me. However, it is important to understand that sometimes diamonds will walk into different lighting ...

by Texas Leaguer

July 30th, 2014, 4:05 pm

Forum: RockyTalky

Topic: ASETs and fancy cuts

Replies: 84

Views: 1079
Re: ASETs and fancy cuts

I tend to abandon threads where people are using similar vocabulary but seem to insist on playing different games: If one person applies NFL rules and another applies CFL rules the fundamental length of the field is a contradiction. So, while discussion using football terms and ideas is happening, ...

by Texas Leaguer

July 30th, 2014, 3:15 pm

Forum: RockyTalky

Topic: ASETs and fancy cuts

Replies: 84

Views: 1079
Re: Issues with Whiteflash

I've had pleasant experiences purchasing from Whiteflash in the past, however, this most recent experience was terrible. I had ordered a pendant, after conversing with a sales associate. It was to take 6 business days to be produced. I received an email two days later, after my card had been charge...

by Texas Leaguer

July 30th, 2014, 1:21 pm

Forum: RockyTalky

Topic: Issues with Whiteflash

Replies: 4

Views: 457
Re: ASETs and fancy cuts

Great post John. What this means is that consumers posting ASET images for interpretation are getting opinions based on interpretations. There's no agreed upon "best" - but new readers think they're getting some sort of quantitative results or info. That's an issue IMO If we are going to ...

by Texas Leaguer

July 30th, 2014, 1:12 pm

Forum: RockyTalky

Topic: ASETs and fancy cuts

Replies: 84

Views: 1079
Re: ASETs and fancy cuts

Interesting point Karl! My trepidation with taking ASET pics are due to the fact it's so easy to mess it up:) Doesn't AGSL use CG ASET images? yes they use scan based computer generated images. Some are pretty messed up compared to real images. You can use generated images its just a good idea to v...

by Texas Leaguer

July 30th, 2014, 12:31 pm

Forum: RockyTalky

Topic: ASETs and fancy cuts

Replies: 84

Views: 1079
Re: Inconsistent color descriptions

Regarding the spreads on different appraisals (J/K and N/O) it makes me wonder how many of those gradings were done while the stone was in the setting. That can most definitely be a reason for the discrepancies. I would also say that colors beyond the near colorless range are the hardest to nail do...

by Texas Leaguer

July 30th, 2014, 10:03 am

Forum: RockyTalky

Topic: Inconsistent color descriptions

Replies: 21

Views: 474
Re: How consistent are GIA certifications?

I was at a jeweler today and he was telling me that he often disagrees with GIA certs on diamonds... He had an incentive to say that because he wants to add value and has to compete with these online sellers. Are GIA certs pretty consistent with their ratings? GIA invented the grading system that m...

by Texas Leaguer

July 29th, 2014, 4:44 pm

Forum: RockyTalky

Topic: How consistent are GIA certifications?

Replies: 3

Views: 157
Re: Why the 'transparency' difference here?

Thank you, Garry. Here it is, sorry a little tardy...report and images in 2 first posts. The pic of actual diamond is really blown up! http://www.pricescope.com/forum/rockytalky/advice-on-this-2-07-ct-j-si2-on-the-fence-t204119.html ETA I think you guys in the trade must have hawk eyes from years (...

by Texas Leaguer

July 29th, 2014, 9:47 am

Forum: RockyTalky

Topic: Why the 'transparency' difference here?

Replies: 26

Views: 669
Re: ASETs and fancy cuts

This image posted above shows an important point. ASET is good for separating the stone on the left from the 2 on the right. It however is not a very good tool for picking between the 2 on the right. Which is one reason I use ASET more as pass/fail and to find areas of the diamond to look into furt...

by Texas Leaguer

July 28th, 2014, 10:44 am

Forum: RockyTalky

Topic: ASETs and fancy cuts

Replies: 84

Views: 1079
Re: Light leakage, how can you tell in real life?

Is 'crashed' ice from an ice truck accident? :lol: screen_shot_2014-07-26_at_0.png Yes, it makes you wonder if maybe Garry and Serg should proofread their posts and have their work checked and peer reviewed before it is posted here. Alot of what you get here is unvarnished, free-flow discussion. An...

by Texas Leaguer

July 26th, 2014, 8:13 pm

Forum: RockyTalky

Topic: Light leakage, how can you tell in real life?

Replies: 255

Views: 4374
Re: Student Research Request for Help?

This is the PERFECT place to find your research subjects. Take the advice given and be persistent and you will find a treasure trove of good info.

Good luck in your quest.

by Texas Leaguer

July 26th, 2014, 8:07 pm

Forum: RockyTalky

Topic: Student Research Request for Help?

Replies: 11

Views: 505
Re: ASETs and fancy cuts

I agree with what has been said so far. Fancies are more complicated. Therefore, they are harder to analyze from afar. I actually think that makes tools like ASET more valuable. If you are trying to identify diamonds to bring in and look at, you need to acquire all the information you can. While no ...

by Texas Leaguer

July 25th, 2014, 4:12 pm

Forum: RockyTalky

Topic: ASETs and fancy cuts

Replies: 84

Views: 1079
Re: Light leakage, how can you tell in real life?

One would think dynamic fire would be more relevant to predicting real life performance than static fire, yes? Yes, of course dynamic metric has to be more relevant. How adaptable is this particular system to fancy shapes? Yes. Have you made any fire movies of any other shapes? mainly we work with ...

by Texas Leaguer

July 25th, 2014, 1:25 pm

Forum: RockyTalky

Topic: Light leakage, how can you tell in real life?

Replies: 255

Views: 4374
Re: Light leakage, how can you tell in real life?

One would think dynamic fire would be more relevant to predicting real life performance than static fire, yes? Yes, of course dynamic metric has to be more relevant. How adaptable is this particular system to fancy shapes? Yes. Have you made any fire movies of any other shapes? mainly we work with ...

by Texas Leaguer

July 25th, 2014, 1:06 pm

Forum: RockyTalky

Topic: Light leakage, how can you tell in real life?

Replies: 255

Views: 4374
Re: Light leakage, how can you tell in real life?

One would think dynamic fire would be more relevant to predicting real life performance than static fire, yes? Yes, of course dynamic metric has to be more relevant. How adaptable is this particular system to fancy shapes? Yes. Have you made any fire movies of any other shapes? mainly we work with ...

by Texas Leaguer

July 25th, 2014, 12:52 pm

Forum: RockyTalky

Topic: Light leakage, how can you tell in real life?

Replies: 255

Views: 4374
Re: Light leakage, how can you tell in real life?

Garry/Serg, I am very interested in your "dirty durability" studies. I think if you could illustrate this concept vividly, it would have a huge impact on how consumers approach the ownership/maintenance of their diamonds. And could impact the selection of diamonds based upon cutting angles...

by Texas Leaguer

July 25th, 2014, 8:21 am

Forum: RockyTalky

Topic: Light leakage, how can you tell in real life?

Replies: 255

Views: 4374
Re: Light leakage, how can you tell in real life?

Really interesting demo/survey. I think such a tool could be very useful to offer shoppers to determine what flavor of diamond they might prefer in real life. Serg- yes my bias is certainly based on the fact that I spend my time looking at really nice rounds and princess cuts. I agree that it probab...

by Texas Leaguer

July 25th, 2014, 7:58 am

Forum: RockyTalky

Topic: Light leakage, how can you tell in real life?

Replies: 255

Views: 4374