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Yeah, I totally agree that you can be 'lazy' when going with a brand name. As for how much extra it is costing you?? Hard to say, there are many different types of cushions, and I can't find anything good to compare with on PS search. If you wanted a round or princess, I think it is a lot easier to shop for (many PS vendors have signature lines that are very well priced compared to big name jewelers). Cushions are harder to shop for unless you want an AVC or SCHA and if you have specific color/clarity/carat requirements it may be hard to find one because there is not a large selection.
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I think you are paying around 8 K more for the brand name versus a compareable ring with a GOG AVC and Leon Mege setting. There has been numerous threads on the HW cushion - they have modified cushions, modern cushions and "antique" cushions.
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I agree with the previous posts. I think ultimately what it will come down to is how much you are willing to pay for the "laziness" / "ease" of going with a brand name. I would imagine (and almost guarantee) that you could get a better diamond/setting by putting it 'together' by yourself. After all, part of the 'brand name' is paying for just that, the name. If you have some expendable income and are happy with the prices of the brand name, I would guess it would work well for your situation!
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I'm sure it will be a nice ring, but you will be overpaying by a significant amount. Just in the quick search I did.
Cusions in the 1.6- 1.8 E-F range seem to be around $12 - $15 K range. I didn't delve too deep into it. There is a 2.25 G VS2 for around $23 K that even if you got a handmade pave solitaire at $5 K would be about what you would pay for the Harry Winston. You would be going down in color a bit, but G is a great color, still very white. http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond.php?d=9885&shape=16&ctMin=1.7&ctMax=2.5&color=14&resultsColumns=268435471&singleResult=1 http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/7782/ Here is a 2.5 if you don't mind going down to H for $20 k I would much rather have a 2.25 than a 1.7 if the budget allows. But you have to decide if that is what you and your fiance want. I have a pave solitare and have never had 1 stone fall out or any issues after 4 years or so. Just form a relationship with a local jeweler who can clean check, etc. for you. Even if they charge you a bit, you are still way ahead. Buy your wedding bands or earrings there or something. Or you could get the stone set there, many places can do a nice pave solitaire. Bottom line: Yes you MAY have a bit of hassle. Probably not too much, and we can help you. In the end you will have alot more for your money. |
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I think the biggest question is how much you are willing to pay for the "Harry Winston" name.
Laziness - HW wouldn't just take your ring in and clean it / fix it. It takes time and you need an appointment etc. Ease - It is just as easy to get a top quality diamond and ring through the well established vendors here. As an example, I would say a GOG August Vintage diamond and Leon Mege setting will be just as nice if not nicer. Brand - This you have to decide. I am usually a "brand name" type of girl but did not go this route for my ering. It wasn't because of the cost necessarily but I couldn't find the setting I wanted and I couldn't nit pick on my diamond specs as I could with GOG. |
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I say if you have the money and you both love the ring, go for it. I am sure it will be a beautiful ring and it fits all the criteria that are important to you. It is all about value for the money and most of us here LOVE value for the money but if I had extra 8-10k sitting around, I would have likely got a tiffany's ring instead of my WF set.
I am about to redo my floors and lord knows I could lay the wood flooring myself as well as any professional (that is how I paid my way through undergrad) but it is worth the extra 3-4K to have someone do it for me because I don't want to have to hassle with it. Lazy? Maybe, or maybe that is why I worked so hard earlier in life to get to the point I would make these decisions. If you have the extra cash and you guys are happy, then that is all that matters. Good luck to you!
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One important point is: Did you already fall "in love" with that specific stone and setting? In this case it might be difficult to find something quickly from an online vendor that would make you equally happy.
If on the other hand you walked into the Harry Winston store looked at a few diamonds and thought: ok, this is an ok choice and we could afford it, but had no heart fluttering experience, it might be worth looking into other options. Cabochon |
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I was holding my breath until you said the "brand name"! Yeah, if you don't mind spending the extra money and the ring is exactly the style and size she wants, why not?!!! I'd love to have a HW ring! Did they say they do all repairs for free? I know that people here have posted that Tiffany charges plenty for every little thing, so maybe get that in writing!
I'd never discourage anyone from getting HW, Cartier, or Tiffany if that's what they really want. I'd hate to see it most with the Tiffany classic solitaire because we can show them almost the same thing for SO much less and often with a superior diamond. Good luck and please come back with pictures of the ring!!! |
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ditto! It's not like HW makes an inferior product. HW rings are crafted very well. I don't think that is lazy if you both love that ring and can afford it. sidenote, but I spent years researching on this forum and still chose designer rings b/c of the quality I was looking for and realizing that I am not a good candidate for custom for my wedding set. I just so happened to find good deals on what I was after but would have paid more if I needed to. |
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1. IMO that's a good reason to go with an reputable brand name. You can walk into the establishment, choose a ring, and walk out with it the same day, no research, very little time, and guarantee of a quality product. Maybe not the best, and not the most cost-effective, but certainly better than most. And a name like HW certainly affords you a certain prestige.
2. True but as Charmy says this would mean having an easily accessible location and making appts, etc. 3. It's not lazy if it's what you both want, and is an educated choice taking into account all considerations of your situation, all the pros and cons
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First of all, the ring that you have in mind sounds gorgeous!
With respect to buying branded rings, I can only give you my experience. I was never the type of girl that daydreamed about weddings and rings (strange, because I am obsessed with diamonds now!). When I got engaged, the first name that jumped to mind was Tiffany. Probably from some movie. My fiance and I went into Tiffany and bought the best ring we could find within our budget. This happened to be a G VS2 solitaire. With tax, we paid about $14K for the ring! Clearly, we could have gotten a much better price with a better quality stone and/or setting elsewhere. But, we (I know this sounds completely strange) just didn't take the time to look. Over the years, I've been happy with Tiffany customer service. I don't believe, however, that the maintenance/repair program and upgrade opportunities are really anything special. True, they have a lifetime warranty on the stone (that it meets the specifications set out in the Tiffany diamond certificate) but not a lifetime warranty if a stone falls out, becomes loose, etc. There is only a 1 year warranty on that. I also have a wedding band through Tiffany, and when a stone became loose, they needed to send it to NYC for repair (a process taking a few weeks) and charged me over $100. With respect to the upgrade, you need to spend 2x the original purchase price of the ring. My husband and I recently did this and got an almost 2 carat I color solitaire (for $27K!). For the additional money we spent, we could have easily just gone anywhere and purchased a similar ring without having to trade the 1 carat in. (At this point, however, my husband felt "invested" with Tiffany). In a few years, we will upgrade the setting for this ring from a solitaire to one of Tiffany's more elaborate settings and at that point I think I'll finally have the ring I truly want. It just seems like we could have gotten to this point a whole lot sooner if we didn't pay such a huge markup for a branded ring. I was actually surprised by the price you quoted for an E VVS1 from Harry Winston. I always assumed that they had an even higher markup than Tiffany. In the world of marked up/branded rings, the pricing actually seems very good. |
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Just to add more info, we were not interested in Tiffany's at all because we heard that it's more difficult to deal with than other branded places, and that the markup on Tiffany's is actually the same or higher than other brands. Surprising, though we didn't independently verify
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I'm going to just say, ditto to what Yssie said. Definitely check out what your money can buy elsewhere before you pull the trigger- I know buying diamonds is a bit intimidating for the first time, and you get a heck of a lot of misinformation, but educating yourself can only be helpful in this situation. And if you decide HW is the best decision, why not? Oh and re #2, you can often find local jewelers that will *happily* clean, check prongs/melee and otherwise perform small services for free. Heck the little independant jeweler near me will rhodium plate and replace melee for free for me sometimes (but, I think that's because the owner, um, likes me, haha. YMMV.) But seriously most small jewelers would love to have you come in for little things- good, free service for really small stuff like that makes for customers for life, y'know? So many of them will do things like that with a smile. Regardless of the brand of jewelry you own I totally recommend finding someone local like that for most anyone- it's really helpful to form a long term relationship with a local jeweler even if you never buy anything huge like an e-ring from them. But it's a good way to have access to Stuller's catalogue etc. Just look for someone you click with- who has examples of good workmanship in their shop, perhaps one who employs a bench themselves rather than outsourcing. Very useful to know a jeweler like that. |
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Also to answer the q about whether we fell in love with the ring, the reason why we are considering this one is because it was exactly what we were looking for (though we weren't super picky, cushion cut on micropave band basically) and it ended up being the best price we could negotiate amongst the other options we saw at Cartier, Graff, and De Beers.
The only thing that's holding us back is whether the markup is so incredibly insane that we should not go this route. In terms of threshold, that's hard to say what we think would be above the acceptable (to ourselves) markup that we can live with. I think we're ok with it being under $10k markup, but if it's over the $10k mark than maybe it's not worth it to be "lazy" and go this route. THIS IS SO HARD! |
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If you have the money to spend, and you and your future fiance both LOVE the ring, if I were in your shoes I would buy the Harry Winston ring!! It is true, you will indeed pay a hefty premium for a top of the line brand name ring like that. But I also have to say that there is a reason that HW rings command the premium they do. They are amazing. Beautifully made...and most of the time with top quality diamonds (at least yours is with an E, VVS2 stone). They have established a reputation based on years of making some of the most amazing and highly regarded jewelry pieces around.
People all over these boards and all over the world for that matter are ALWAYS trying to copy HW rings. But the simple truth of the matter is, there is nothing like the real thing if you ask me. I can't tell you how many times I have found myself oogling over the few HW rings that have been posted here on pricescope. I think that they are some of the most beautiful rings I have seen here (even over Leon's). There is something so magical about their designs - at least for me. Like this one: http://www.pricescope.com/forum/show-me-the-ring/my-anniversary-ring-is-here-t84652.html and this one http://www.pricescope.com/forum/show-me-the-ring/finally-engaged-and-here-s-my-gorgeous-e-ring-t121006.html True, you could be getting a bigger diamond and a better value if you had it made/copied by someone else, but it won't be the same as a real HW ring. Whatever you decide, please come back and post pics!! |
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UPDATE:
We just talked to a another couple who are close friends of ours, knowing that they have also been in the market for a cushion solitaire on micropave band. They purchased a 1.76 ct, D, VVS2 from Graff and Graff is currently custom-making the micropave platinum setting for them, AND the price they were quoted is about 4% less than what Harry Winston quoted us as final price for the ring I mentioned earlier. |
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I would probably see what Graff can do for you. But otherwise, the Harry Winston sounds pretty wonderful. You've both seen it and you both were pleased with it. I also feel like the quality of their work would last a lifetime.
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it seems as if you are not over the moon with this ring. If that is the case, then no, it is not worth the markup. Maybe I missed where you said you loved it? If so, my apologies!
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This. |
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What do y'all think of Graff? I posted this update:
UPDATE: We just talked to a another couple who are close friends of ours, knowing that they have also been in the market for a cushion solitaire on micropave band. They purchased a 1.76 ct, D, VVS2 from Graff and Graff is currently custom-making the micropave platinum setting for them, AND the price they were quoted is about 4% less than what Harry Winston quoted us as final price for the ring I mentioned earlier. Would you feel the same way about Graff that you do HW? Seems like HW is more of an iconic American brand. |
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Both are high end. I haven't seen any Graff rings, so I can't compare the look. I really think you should just get the HW ring if that is what you love. The brand is worth something, especially if you don't want to deal with custom.
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Well, if you have the money to spend and knowing that you're paying 50% or more mark-up doesn't bother you, then go for it!
Personally, I don't mind spending the little extra on a designer setting however, I would never purchase one set with a diamond. I prefer choosing the diamond as a loose diamond because you're getting the diamond you want with the best size, specs you can afford. Plus personally, I think this gets you a better bang for the buck if you still want a designer setting. Personally, I've found that finding the right diamond for you doesn't really take very long as long as you know your budget and the cut, clarity, color and size you want. From there it really is relatively easy IF you're dealing with a reputable seller. Now, finding THAT perfect setting is more difficult IMO, so if you love the HW, get it or see if you can get it without the center stone. My 2 cents worth. |
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Go to Graff. If you are spending 28K on anything you should love it. (Well, unless it is a house in Northern CA, then you'd best be buying it for the land... all 3 feet of it).
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hi,
can u tell me where is this shop that quoted u 28k for a 1.7 carat harry winston micropave? it is such a good price. is it tripple excellent ? |
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I would also like to know which store you went to for this. I am probably 6 months behind your timeline for something similar.
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Hi there,
I keep finding all these people in the market for cushions! I don't know whether or not to be excited or dismayed...lol. I've been doing research for a year and a half before I settled on what I wanted. So to say I'm particular would be an understatement. My fiancee got me a cushion diamond for $13,800 and this is it's specs: 2.35cts. Cushion Cut ( Rectangular )- NOT MODIFIED 8.61 X 6.94 X 4.71mm 2.35ct I-VS2 VG/G Ring Size 5.5 It has strong blue flourescense so it cancels out the I color. When I got it appraised elsewhere, it was graded as a G color it was that beautiful and clear. It's a VERY clean stone. I personally did not want a modified cushion and liked it longer than wider for an almost emerald shaped affect. My jeweler is in the city (I live in NYC) and has been there for 25 years. He's offered me free cleanings, and micro-pave replacements forever if I should get anything with micro-pave. I've been a customer for about 8 years now. I personally would not buy the HW, but then again I've never been a brand name girl when it comes to jewelry. As for loose stones that are larger, that's where insurance kicks in. Lastly, my jeweler did all the work for me. I told him via 3 emails (back and forth between us) and he came back a week later with three choices. My fiancee and I went there and spent an hour choosing between them (and that's only because he gave me such good ones to choose from, I had a hard choice narrowing it down.) And my biggest reason for working with him is because his designs and the items he carries in the store are so clean and such high quality. I love his aesthetic and most of all, HE LISTENED TO ME and knew exactly what I wanted. All this without pressure to buy. Good luck in your search Sylvia |