Marquise diamond from James Allen

[classmaz]

Hello can anyone help me pick a marquise diamond up to the cost of $4,500. The setting the girlfriend has chosen is a platinum .32ct French cut pave

http://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/engagement-rings/pave/platinum-0.32ct-french-cut-pave-diamond-engagement-ring--item-1301


Cheers
Mike

 

[jstarfireb]

I'm not an expert on marquise cuts, but I really like the look of this one:

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/marquise-cut/1.07-carat-d-color-si1-clarity-sku-299715

It seems to have minimal bow-tie, good spread, and a nice facet pattern. Medium blue fluor is a bonus for me (some people dislike fluor but I love it). Ask for an ASET and have them comment on whether it's eye-clean as well as any negative effects of the fluor.

I also like this one:
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/marquise-cut/1.01-carat-f-color-si1-clarity-sku-388321

Have them comment on the clarity of course as well as whether the very thin girdle will be a problem with durability.

 

[classmaz]

Thanks I will have a look at them do you think si1 clarity will be ok? I have been the jewellers in the UK and they have been pushing a vs2 as minimum? Also they said I should be I to a for colour.

The bow tie was interesting I have only just found out about it via this site so will have to do more research

 

[Niel]

This is the nicest one in your budget.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/marquise-cut/1.01-carat-i-color-vs2-clarity-sku-400773

 

[classmaz]

Thanks Neil

 

[Niel]

Thanks Neil

I would suggest putting that on hold ASAP, as that's a very well cut stone, and you will be hard pressed to find another if it is sold. You can hold up to three, but this absolutely needs to be one.

I have some concerns about your setting she posted. The amount of metal used in the pave in the shank is less than appealing. Sense this stone I suggested is under budget, were there any others she might like?

Think she'd like this one?

http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/pave/platinum-rounded-pave-engagement-solitaire-item-8162

 

[classmaz]

Thanks Neil

I would suggest putting that on hold ASAP, as that's a very well cut stone, and you will be hard pressed to find another if it is sold. You can hold up to three, but this absolutely needs to be one.

I have some concerns about your setting she posted. The amount of metal used in the pave in the shank is less than appealing. Sense this stone I suggested is under budget, were there any others she might like?

Think she'd like this one?

http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/pave/platinum-rounded-pave-engagement-solitaire-item-8162

I will show her tomorrow I know she like a couple of pave designs one was the 3 sided one

Quick question would you consider any of these diamonds over James Allens

http://m.ebay.co.uk/sch/finerdiamond/m.html?Shape=Marquise&isRefine=true&_pgn=1&Cut=Excellent%7CVery%2520Good%7CGood&_nkw=seller%3Afinerdiamond&_sacat=10210&Clarity=VVS1%7CVVS2%7CVS1%7CVS2&_sasl=finerdiamond&_dcat=10210&loadLocalAspects=true&cnm=Loose+Diamonds&_udlo=999

Just trying to get the best for my budget

 

[Niel]

Thanks Neil

I would suggest putting that on hold ASAP, as that's a very well cut stone, and you will be hard pressed to find another if it is sold. You can hold up to three, but this absolutely needs to be one.

I have some concerns about your setting she posted. The amount of metal used in the pave in the shank is less than appealing. Sense this stone I suggested is under budget, were there any others she might like?

Think she'd like this one?

http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/pave/platinum-rounded-pave-engagement-solitaire-item-8162

I will show her tomorrow I know she like a couple of pave designs one was the 3 sided one

Quick question would you consider any of these diamonds over James Allens

http://m.ebay.co.uk/sch/finerdiamond/m.html?Shape=Marquise&isRefine=true&_pgn=1&Cut=Excellent%7CVery%2520Good%7CGood&_nkw=seller%3Afinerdiamond&_sacat=10210&Clarity=VVS1%7CVVS2%7CVS1%7CVS2&_sasl=finerdiamond&_dcat=10210&loadLocalAspects=true&cnm=Loose+Diamonds&_udlo=999

Just trying to get the best for my budget

I don't think any of those marquise are worth while.

Again I'll urge you to hold that I color marquise I posted. You can hold up to 3 and its no extra fee or commitment.

Do come back with which other settings she likes. That I allows an extra 700 freed up for the setting and I think you could find something that won't disappoint.

 

[classmaz]

Thanks Neil

I would suggest putting that on hold ASAP, as that's a very well cut stone, and you will be hard pressed to find another if it is sold. You can hold up to three, but this absolutely needs to be one.

I have some concerns about your setting she posted. The amount of metal used in the pave in the shank is less than appealing. Sense this stone I suggested is under budget, were there any others she might like?

Think she'd like this one?

http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/pave/platinum-rounded-pave-engagement-solitaire-item-8162

I will show her tomorrow I know she like a couple of pave designs one was the 3 sided one

Quick question would you consider any of these diamonds over James Allens

http://m.ebay.co.uk/sch/finerdiamond/m.html?Shape=Marquise&isRefine=true&_pgn=1&Cut=Excellent%7CVery%2520Good%7CGood&_nkw=seller%3Afinerdiamond&_sacat=10210&Clarity=VVS1%7CVVS2%7CVS1%7CVS2&_sasl=finerdiamond&_dcat=10210&loadLocalAspects=true&cnm=Loose+Diamonds&_udlo=999

Just trying to get the best for my budget

I don't think any of those marquise are worth while.

Again I'll urge you to hold that I color marquise I posted. You can hold up to 3 and its no extra fee or commitment.

Do come back with which other settings she likes. That I allows an extra 700 freed up for the setting and I think you could find something that won't disappoint.

Thanks Neil I will try and hold that diamond, do you think it will be worth me holding out until the 4th July for any potential discounts?

 

[ariel144]

This is the nicest one in your budget.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/marquise-cut/1.01-carat-i-color-vs2-clarity-sku-400773

I like this 1.01 I vs2, but marquise cut tend to show color. The faceting on this one is very nice as well
and does not have a bow tie.

When you look at the videos watch for that gray mush under the table on both ends most have that which you do not
want as that is leakage.

This 1.00 F SI1 has great faceting and an high color. You can get ASETS on both of these.
This SI1 looks eye clean to me.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/marquise-cut/1.00-carat-f-color-si1-clarity-sku-530025

I know Jon with GOG recommends with ovals and marquise cuts you stay with the colors D-G because they
show more color than other cuts.

 

[classmaz]

Cheers ariel144 so to summarise should I be looking for a new diamond which is between D and G?

 

[classmaz]

Thanks Neil

I would suggest putting that on hold ASAP, as that's a very well cut stone, and you will be hard pressed to find another if it is sold. You can hold up to three, but this absolutely needs to be one.

I have some concerns about your setting she posted. The amount of metal used in the pave in the shank is less than appealing. Sense this stone I suggested is under budget, were there any others she might like?

Think she'd like this one?

http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/pave/platinum-rounded-pave-engagement-solitaire-item-8162

I will show her tomorrow I know she like a couple of pave designs one was the 3 sided one

Quick question would you consider any of these diamonds over James Allens

http://m.ebay.co.uk/sch/finerdiamond/m.html?Shape=Marquise&isRefine=true&_pgn=1&Cut=Excellent%7CVery%2520Good%7CGood&_nkw=seller%3Afinerdiamond&_sacat=10210&Clarity=VVS1%7CVVS2%7CVS1%7CVS2&_sasl=finerdiamond&_dcat=10210&loadLocalAspects=true&cnm=Loose+Diamonds&_udlo=999

Just trying to get the best for my budget

I don't think any of those marquise are worth while.

Again I'll urge you to hold that I color marquise I posted. You can hold up to 3 and its no extra fee or commitment.

Do come back with which other settings she likes. That I allows an extra 700 freed up for the setting and I think you could find something that won't disappoint.

Hi Neil she likes the one you suggested and this http://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/engagement-rings/pave/platinum-bar-set-and-three-sided-pave-diamond-engagement-ring-item-1675

Do you think the I colour will be an issue?

 

[Niel]

Thanks Neil

I would suggest putting that on hold ASAP, as that's a very well cut stone, and you will be hard pressed to find another if it is sold. You can hold up to three, but this absolutely needs to be one.

I have some concerns about your setting she posted. The amount of metal used in the pave in the shank is less than appealing. Sense this stone I suggested is under budget, were there any others she might like?

Think she'd like this one?

http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/pave/platinum-rounded-pave-engagement-solitaire-item-8162

I will show her tomorrow I know she like a couple of pave designs one was the 3 sided one

Quick question would you consider any of these diamonds over James Allens

http://m.ebay.co.uk/sch/finerdiamond/m.html?Shape=Marquise&isRefine=true&_pgn=1&Cut=Excellent%7CVery%2520Good%7CGood&_nkw=seller%3Afinerdiamond&_sacat=10210&Clarity=VVS1%7CVVS2%7CVS1%7CVS2&_sasl=finerdiamond&_dcat=10210&loadLocalAspects=true&cnm=Loose+Diamonds&_udlo=999

Just trying to get the best for my budget

I don't think any of those marquise are worth while.

Again I'll urge you to hold that I color marquise I posted. You can hold up to 3 and its no extra fee or commitment.

Do come back with which other settings she likes. That I allows an extra 700 freed up for the setting and I think you could find something that won't disappoint.

Hi Neil she likes the one you suggested and this http://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/engagement-rings/pave/platinum-bar-set-and-three-sided-pave-diamond-engagement-ring-item-1675

Do you think the I colour will be an issue?

No, I do not think this I will be an issue. The stone in my opinion does not appear to tinted (not all Is are created equil, some can show more color than others) , plus, is very well cut, and a well cut mq will not have the same issues as a poorly cut mq when it comes to "holding" color and appearing different color grades on the tips vs the center
I would not go below an I, but with the size you're looking at I do think this is a fine option in regards to color, and a great option considering clarity, size, and cut. And the thing about fancy cuts is to really get the best stone, you can't be too picky about every C. To put it another way. If say you wanted a round. You could say "I want a 1ct G Vs1 ideal cut" and in an 5 minutes you could find a stone with those stats and be happy with it. Fancy stones aren't quite that way. You have to set lower limits and see which stone within the limits are best. "No smaller than .8 cts, no lower than I color, no lower than so clarity. ".... You get it.

I would, however, ask the gemologist at James Allen to look at the stone and comment on the color as well as the cut. Also, ask for asets of any of the stones you hold.

 

[classmaz]

Thanks Neil

I would suggest putting that on hold ASAP, as that's a very well cut stone, and you will be hard pressed to find another if it is sold. You can hold up to three, but this absolutely needs to be one.

I have some concerns about your setting she posted. The amount of metal used in the pave in the shank is less than appealing. Sense this stone I suggested is under budget, were there any others she might like?

Think she'd like this one?

http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/pave/platinum-rounded-pave-engagement-solitaire-item-8162

I will show her tomorrow I know she like a couple of pave designs one was the 3 sided one

Quick question would you consider any of these diamonds over James Allens

http://m.ebay.co.uk/sch/finerdiamond/m.html?Shape=Marquise&isRefine=true&_pgn=1&Cut=Excellent%7CVery%2520Good%7CGood&_nkw=seller%3Afinerdiamond&_sacat=10210&Clarity=VVS1%7CVVS2%7CVS1%7CVS2&_sasl=finerdiamond&_dcat=10210&loadLocalAspects=true&cnm=Loose+Diamonds&_udlo=999

Just trying to get the best for my budget

I don't think any of those marquise are worth while.

Again I'll urge you to hold that I color marquise I posted. You can hold up to 3 and its no extra fee or commitment.

Do come back with which other settings she likes. That I allows an extra 700 freed up for the setting and I think you could find something that won't disappoint.

Hi Neil she likes the one you suggested and this http://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/engagement-rings/pave/platinum-bar-set-and-three-sided-pave-diamond-engagement-ring-item-1675

Do you think the I colour will be an issue?

No, I do not think this I will be an issue. The stone in my opinion does not appear to tinted (not all Is are created equil, some can show more color than others) , plus, is very well cut, and a well cut mq will not have the same issues as a poorly cut mq when it comes to "holding" color and appearing different color grades on the tips vs the center
I would not go below an I, but with the size you're looking at I do think this is a fine option in regards to color, and a great option considering clarity, size, and cut. And the thing about fancy cuts is to really get the best stone, you can't be too picky about every C. To put it another way. If say you wanted a round. You could say "I want a 1ct G Vs1 ideal cut" and in an 5 minutes you could find a stone with those stats and be happy with it. Fancy stones aren't quite that way. You have to set lower limits and see which stone within the limits are best. "No smaller than .8 cts, no lower than I color, no lower than so clarity. ".... You get it.

I would, however, ask the gemologist at James Allen to look at the stone and comment on the color as well as the cut. Also, ask for asets of any of the stones you hold.

Thanks Neil I will ask the gemologist I have only held the one diamond that you suggested, the aset is that the gia report? Sorry I am a newbie

 

[Niel]

No don't apologize! Buying a diamond can get overwhelming fast. An aset is a tool that helps evaluate the light return of a diamond. The light return is what makes a diamond sparkle. They essentially send you photos of the diamond viewed though this tool. Try googling "Pricescope aset" and you'll get loads of info.

As for only having one diamond reserved. I feel like I saw two more with some potential, though not the same as the I, let me see if I can find them again.

I'm also trying to find a thread that use to exist about picking a good mq. If I'm able to find that I'll share that as well.

As for the setting, I think it's more well made than the first, but I'm concerned the style will look strange with a Marquise. We're these the only two she liked?

 

[classmaz]

They are the only 2 I have had comments back on she is in work at the moment so will get a better response when she is home. She sent me 5 but 3 of them don't show with that diamond.

Neil I must thank you for all your help its been fantastic. I was hoping to order today but James Allen have said the request will take 3-5 days

 

[Niel]

They are the only 2 I have had comments back on she is in work at the moment so will get a better response when she is home. She sent me 5 but 3 of them don't show with that diamond.

What were the other 3? Sometimes James Allen can , "make it work", so to speak

 

[classmaz]

That's the 3 also would you ask for a 6 prong rather than 4?

 

[Niel]

OK, I know these aren't what you listed, but had she seen these? They're listed as "side stones" not "pave" so I don't know if she saw them.

http://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/engagement-rings/side-stones/platinum-scallop-style-diamond-engagement-ring-item-50002

http://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/engagement-rings/side-stones/platinum-0.54ct-common-prong-round-shaped-diamond-engagement-ring-item-139

 

[classmaz]

OK, I know these aren't what you listed, but had she seen these? They're listed as "side stones" not "pave" so I don't know if she saw them.

http://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/engagement-rings/side-stones/platinum-scallop-style-diamond-engagement-ring-item-50002

http://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/engagement-rings/side-stones/platinum-0.54ct-common-prong-round-shaped-diamond-engagement-ring-item-139

Cheers Neil I will show her in an hour she is on her way home now. I have asked for the aset on the diamond you recommended and the one axle did.

It's strange that in the UK I have heard of blue Nike but not James Allen I am glad I found the forum.

With a marquise what prong head should I go for?

 

[Niel]

I'm sorry I meant to answer that. You want to have prongs to protect the tip of the marquise. 4 prong or 6 prong is really an aesthetic thing. You can do a 4 prong where they are set NSEW. So you are protecting the prongs and then one on either side. Or the classic 6 prong you see typically on marquise. I would suggest they use a V Prong on the tips to protect them, though.
Here's an example of both a V Prong, and a way James Allen did a 4 prong head

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/having-difficulty-with-words-pic-heavy.196994/#top-post']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/having-difficulty-with-words-pic-heavy.196994/#top-post[/URL]

 

[classmaz]

I'm sorry I meant to answer that. You want to have prongs to protect the tip of the marquise. 4 prong or 6 prong is really an aesthetic thing. You can do a 4 prong where they are set NSEW. So you are protecting the prongs and then one on either side. Or the classic 6 prong you see typically on marquise. I would suggest they use a V Prong on the tips to protect them, though.
Here's an example of both a V Prong, and a way James Allen did a 4 prong head

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/having-difficulty-with-words-pic-heavy.196994/#top-post']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/having-difficulty-with-words-pic-heavy.196994/#top-post[/URL]

Thanks Neil girlfriend likes both of them settings don't suppose you have any pictures of a marquise centre stone in them to put her mind at rest. Out of the 3 you suggested do you have a recommendation?

 

[Niel]

If you go to the non mobile James Allen website , the second setting I suggested has some examples of the setting with a mq

As for which setting, I like this one best of any of the ones she likes. I would ask them what they can do about the head of the marquise though as I'm not a fan of the head they use. Like I said, no V prongs

 

[classmaz]

If you go to the non mobile James Allen website , the second setting I suggested has some examples of the setting with a mq

As for which setting, I like this one best of any of the ones she likes. I would ask them what they can do about the head of the marquise though as I'm not a fan of the head they use. Like I said, no V prongs

Do you have an example of a good head and I will email them and ask to price me accordingly. They have offered me 10% off the band

 

[Niel]

If you go to the non mobile James Allen website , the second setting I suggested has some examples of the setting with a mq

As for which setting, I like this one best of any of the ones she likes. I would ask them what they can do about the head of the marquise though as I'm not a fan of the head they use. Like I said, no V prongs

Do you have an example of a good head and I will email them and ask to price me accordingly. They have offered me 10% off the band

Oh that's nice!

The post I had a few posts up, with the larger marquise, that setting is from James Allen, I'd ask them if they could do that 4 prong head

 

[classmaz]

Ok I will do, just tried accessing both ring settings on their normal website and I couldn't see an option for marquise.

 

[Niel]

Ok I will do, just tried accessing both ring settings on their normal website and I couldn't see an option for marquise.

When you look at the "real" 360 picture of the actual ring, you see on the bottom left side a box that says round. If you click it it'll drop down and show you other shapes. If they've done it for a mq, you'll see it there. Look at the pic I posted and you'll see the example of the drop down box I'm talking about.

 

[classmaz]

Ok I will do, just tried accessing both ring settings on their normal website and I couldn't see an option for marquise.

When you look at the "real" 360 picture of the actual ring, you see on the bottom left side a box that says round. If you click it it'll drop down and show you other shapes. If they've done it for a mq, you'll see it there. Look at the pic I posted and you'll see the example of the drop down box I'm talking about.

Yes I had a look at the options and can't see marquise on either of the side settings you suggested

 

[Niel]

Weird I don't know why its not working for you.

This is where I got that picture from that I posted

http://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/engagement-rings/side-stones/platinum-0.54ct-common-prong-round-shaped-diamond-engagement-ring-item-139

It's a 1.14 ct

 

[classmaz]

Will try my chrome book see if it's a apple thing