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JMCenter

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Hello PS Community Members, I've been lurking the forums for the past couple of weeks after finally deciding I'm ready to spend the rest of my life with my significant other. Since making this life altering decision, I've been attempting to educate myself on engagement rings along with looking both high & low and all places in between for the "perfect ring." Today I recently stumbled upon one that caught my eye! It's a traditional three stone engagement ring featuring princess cut diamonds. The thing that most caught my eye was these specifications of the diamond & ring given on the IGI certification. Now of course there seems to be controversy surrounding this particular labs reports since they seem to be a little bit "softer" in terms of grading, which is fine by me.

My question is for you guys is, are variant/replica IGI certificates produced? I ask because the one included with this particular ring looks like one I've yet to come across in my adventure both in the real world & virtual realm. The price is great, so it just leaves me wondering if their could be any foul play involved with this particular piece. I know with IGI you typically are able to go back to their database and pull up the report with the use of the # provided on the certificate but in this instance the # provided is not recognized by the system, I did notice while on their website that the reports pre-June 2004 are not recognized by the system. Obviously the issuance date is valid as it lies within bounds of their systems standard but I was wondering if the 2003 noted near the lower left edge of the may have to deal with it or is that year merely affiliated with the IGI trademark? Unfortunately the ring itself is roughly five hours away so to visually check it out takes a bit of commitment, so I was hoping you all may be able to aide me, the following are the pictures that have been supplied to me by the seller.

**edited by moderator. please upload photos to forum directly**

If you guys have any input on the situation I would greatly appreciate it! Again I'm not here to join in on the debate of who's lab reports are better than who's merely wondering if this particular certficate is indeed authentic? or doctor'd up to look like something produced by the lab.

Thank you very much!
Justin
 

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Looks like the card has an IGI hologram on it. These credit card sized reports are used by major chain retailers, in general. I would tend to doubt that anyone would go to the trouble to create a counterfeit IGI card on a ring with the size diamonds you have selected. What you have to realize is that the ring you have may, or may not, be the one which matches that card. It may be one which is close to the right original ring or maybe way off. The card might have "loose" grading or the ring may have long been switched, even by accident at the time of sale or somewhere along the way since 2003.

What you need is someone qualified to help you to know that everything about the three diamonds and the mountings is in good shape and secure. If you are not concerned about the exact grades, just to know the stones are in good, durable condition, and properly set will be enough.
 

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Oldminer|1346629309|3261508 said:
Looks like the card has an IGI hologram on it. These credit card sized reports are used by major chain retailers, in general. I would tend to doubt that anyone would go to the trouble to create a counterfeit IGI card on a ring with the size diamonds you have selected. What you have to realize is that the ring you have may, or may not, be the one which matches that card. It may be one which is close to the right original ring or maybe way off. The card might have "loose" grading or the ring may have long been switched, even by accident at the time of sale or somewhere along the way since 2003.

What you need is someone qualified to help you to know that everything about the three diamonds and the mountings is in good shape and secure. If you are not concerned about the exact grades, just to know the stones are in good, durable condition, and properly set will be enough.

Thank you very much for your quick input! "What you have to realize is that the ring you have may, or may not, be the one which matches that card. It may be one which is close to the right original ring or maybe way off." <--- This statement you made holds a lot of validity as the ring truly does just have to hold similar characteristics in order to look as though they are packaged together. Which leads me back to the fork in the road on will i purchase this particular ring. I swear the more I look the more this process becomes difficult as every ring I start to "fall for" ends up having some type of conlfict surrounding it, be it myself, the seller, or ring itself.

For those of you that may be late to the party and may want to offer advice I will pose another question for the thread. With a budget of $2000 dollars, do you guys have any type of reccomendations ? or words of advice? I'm looking for something in white gold, preferably something aorund 3/4 tcw and i'm open to preowned or new.
 

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Don't buy IGI diamonds. Stick to GIA or AGS. Please post your budget and we can help you find something. Is vintage/pre-loved an option?
 

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Milton, he posted that in his previous comment

With a budget of $2000 dollars, do you guys have any type of reccomendations ? or words of advice? I'm looking for something in white gold, preferably something aorund 3/4 tcw and i'm open to preowned or new.

OP, can you consider buying this diamond? It's being sold by one of our long time, trusted members. It's 3/4 ct just for the diamond, and is worth so much more than the ring you posted. It's listed for $1200, and you can always get an affordable setting for ~$3-500 for a simple solitaire. This will have much more finger presence than the 0.40 center in that ring you posted..

http://www.diamondbistro.com/catego...5/Stunning-OEC-Transitional-075c-Diamond.html
 

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Wow Thank you very much for all your madelise input! I truly appreciate it.

madelise said:
OP, can you consider buying this diamond? It's being sold by one of our long time, trusted members. It's 3/4 ct just for the diamond, and is worth so much more than the ring you posted. It's listed for $1200, and you can always get an affordable setting for ~$3-500 for a simple solitaire. This will have much more finger presence than the 0.40 center in that ring you posted..

http://www.diamondbistro.com/catego...5/Stunning-OEC-Transitional-075c-Diamond.html

this particular diamond interest me A LOT! I originally wanted a carat because she currently wears a carat princess cut cz at work now (long story short, she works at a casino.) So I thought of a ct. solitaire but it's out of my budget, which is why i was opting for a three stone or something that was kind of spread out the diamonds and made for a bigger, brighter presentation..

but now you may have just convinced me to go the right of a 3/4 ct.
 

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JMCenter|1346636749|3261582 said:
Wow Thank you very much for all your madelise input! I truly appreciate it.

madelise said:
OP, can you consider buying this diamond? It's being sold by one of our long time, trusted members. It's 3/4 ct just for the diamond, and is worth so much more than the ring you posted. It's listed for $1200, and you can always get an affordable setting for ~$3-500 for a simple solitaire. This will have much more finger presence than the 0.40 center in that ring you posted..

http://www.diamondbistro.com/catego...5/Stunning-OEC-Transitional-075c-Diamond.html

this particular diamond interest me A LOT! I originally wanted a carat because she currently wears a carat princess cut cz at work now (long story short, she works at a casino.) So I thought of a ct. solitaire but it's out of my budget, which is why i was opting for a three stone or something that was kind of spread out the diamonds and made for a bigger, brighter presentation..

but now you may have just convinced me to go the right of a 3/4 ct.

No prob! I totally get it. Dangerous, booze, lots of guys… gotta put a rock on just to make some of them leave you alone! :nono: And some guys won't even "get it" then!

You can always still contact Poppyseed to see if she can source you sidestones to create a 3 stone, just to see how much it would be, and if it would be within budget. If not, her "Incredible Solitaire" is an amazing amazing solitaire for a ridiculously nice price. I'm sure you'll knock your GF's socks off!

It is an antique stone, an Old European Cut to Transitional. If you want to learn more about old cuts, look around Rocky Talky to get more info. It's been SUPER popular on PS the last few years, and has been picking up in popularity more recently. We were just discussing in my thread that the trend might start picking up more, since PS is usually ahead of the trends. Good old cuts have this amazing "glow" to them that I have yet to see in other types of cuts.
 

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madelise|1346637893|3261586 said:
No prob! I totally get it. Dangerous, booze, lots of guys… gotta put a rock on just to make some of them leave you alone! :nono: And some guys won't even "get it" then!

You can always still contact Poppyseed to see if she can source you sidestones to create a 3 stone, just to see how much it would be, and if it would be within budget. If not, her "Incredible Solitaire" is an amazing amazing solitaire for a ridiculously nice price. I'm sure you'll knock your GF's socks off!

It is an antique stone, an Old European Cut to Transitional. If you want to learn more about old cuts, look around Rocky Talky to get more info. It's been SUPER popular on PS the last few years, and has been picking up in popularity more recently. We were just discussing in my thread that the trend might start picking up more, since PS is usually ahead of the trends. Good old cuts have this amazing "glow" to them that I have yet to see in other types of cuts.

Exactly haha..

but yeah the 3/4 ct. oec diamond seems like it would be nice... I was at one point looking at this 1ct. OEC solitaire.

http://www.idonowidont.com/diamonds/old-european-cut-never-worn-tiffany-mounting

any input?
 

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I think the one you just linked has possibilities...looks like a nice stone. I guess the downside is that we don't know the person who is selling it, whereas we do know the owners of some of the stones listed above.

If you want to maximize size, you can always get a halo setting if the pricing works out.
 

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diamondseeker2006|1346646006|3261631 said:
I think the one you just linked has possibilities...looks like a nice stone. I guess the downside is that we don't know the person who is selling it, whereas we do know the owners of some of the stones listed above.

If you want to maximize size, you can always get a halo setting if the pricing works out.


yeah that particular piece has intrigued me for awhile and after doing a little bit of reading it was my favorite unfortunately communication between me and the seller has been slow as he's a busy guy but after this thread i'm thinking maybe that particular piece or creating my own solitaire (possibly with the use of the oec 3/4 ct. diamond posted by madelise) may be my best options, in terms of "stretching my dollar."

Any other input in terms of ring choices or in regards to the original ring i posted about in this particular thread are definitely more then welcome, i was a bit hesitant to create a post to reach out for aide from the community but after creating this post i see you guys are very nice and willing to help people, i really do appreciate it!
 

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JM, many of us really love to do this as a hobby! So it is fun for us to help people find diamonds and settings!

If you got the .75 ct. one and put it in a halo setting, you'd have a very nice ring! A 6mm diamond with a 1mm halo all around it will equal 8mm which is the size of a 2 ct. diamond!

This is your best bet for a nice setting if you can get the diamond price to work with the setting price:

http://www.gabrielny.com/engaged/style/ER7815W44JJ

http://www.gabrielny.com/engaged/style/ER6418W44JJ

http://www.gabrielny.com/engaged/style/ER9519W44JJ
 

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My vote would be one of the OEC's from either Mara or Gypsy and the 3rd Gabriel setting that DS linked - I prefer that one with the OEC because of the milgraining and the basket - it just seems to suit the vintage concept... and would be INCREDIBLY sparkly under those casino lights!!

That would far exceed the look and quality of the original IGI cert ring you posted, IMHO. Good luck Justin!
 

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Thank you again guys, you'll never know how at ease you guys are putting me buy offering suggestions and input, i appreciate it. Now to be fair the original ring i posted the seller was asking $800, which if the igi cert proved somewhat true would be fair to me. I then was going to focus on buying a nice band set to accompany it. That being said i think you guys may have re-routed that original plan i had in mind, in a good way of course.

The combination of this diamond along with one of these settings truly seems like theyd form a beautiful ring, im currently getting dressed for work so i haven't had a chance to go through the Gabriel site and see how the whole process works! With that being said once i get to work it looks like ill be doing some more research in terms of setting options (i work a desk job and will have some time to kill :) )

diamondseeker2006|1346672948|3261679 said:

along with this 3/4 ct. oec suggestion from madelise

how do you guys feel about those particular pieces working in conjunction with each other? ill be back soon once i get to work and i think i may start a new thread since it looks like we will be going off topic, sound like a good idea? or maybe I should just leave it alone and continue forth. in an effort to keep the subforum clutter free? i dunno, guess will see.

good morning and thanks again you guys!
 

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I would keep it all here since links have been provided. The one thing you have to think about is that the center stone being recommended is going to have a warm appearance since it is estimated at K color. Many like this in an antique stone, but you need to think about whether she would like it. Even if you bought a new stone, you'd be looking at probably J color anyway, so that is why I would not be too worried about it. I think either style of halo will be beautiful with an old cut stone.
 

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:appl: :appl: :appl: Love the combo!! :appl: :appl: :appl:

My personal preference would be this setting: http://www.gabrielny.com/engaged/style/ER9519W44JJ only because of the milgrain detail. To me, that seems like the perfect combination to work with Mara's gorgeous OEC diamond. Also - I like the idea of the contrast between a creamy centre OEC stone and the whiter bright accent stones. In my mind, it punches up the uniqueness of the OEC.

DS makes a perfect point - if buying new in your price range, there would also be potential for a slight colour contrast anyway -- this stone gives you personality and history! :bigsmile:

Yummy - if I were to receive that --- I'd be over the moon!! :love:
 

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diamondseeker2006 said:
The one thing you have to think about is that the center stone being recommended is going to have a warm appearance since it is estimated at K color. Many like this in an antique stone, but you need to think about whether she would like it.

This is a very valid point and one that admittedly so I may have forgotten about, she's definitely a white diamond kind of gal, which now that I sit here makes me ponder if the "k color" may be a little too warm for her? I've been going through google images of K color diamonds and it seems as though it's not too bad but then again your talking to a 25 year old male with terrible eyes haha.. what do you guys think? anyone have any experience or personal rings which feature a "K color" diamond that you may be willing to share with me?

diamondseeker2006|1346678149|3261718 said:
This is also a beautiful diamond. It could have the girdle polished slightly, but you might not need to in a halo. It seems to be a higher color and clarity. I'd at least make an offer.

http://www.diamondbistro.com/category/215/Loose-natural-Diamonds/listings/31056/57mm-Old-European-Cut.html

that's a beautiful diamond as well, since it's somewhat out of my price range it's one of those things where I didn't want to waste both the seller & my time with an offer they may see as a lowball but as you mentioned it doesn't hurt to ask, right?

Which leads me to where we may be at in terms of options right now (remember i'm always open to suggestions!) Here's the list we've compiled thus far.

A) 3/4 Ct. OEC diamond placed in one of the two gabriel ny bands 2290-2515 (+ setting cost? any other associated mounting fees?)

diamondseeker2006|1346672948|3261679 said:


B) 1 Ct. OEC Solitaire 1500
http://www.idonowidont.com/diamonds/old-european-cut-never-worn-tiffany-mounting

And just for comparison sake, I've got a couple of others I'll share that i've came across on this journey that have interested me...

C) .84 Ct. J/SI-1 w/18kt. Band 2000
http://www.idonowidont.com/diamonds/hope-it-works-out-better-you

D) 1.01 ct certified SI-1 clarity C-1 color Solitaire 1500
http://www.abecket.com/Diamonds.html

Please feel free to jump in and provide input? Keeping in mind my original budget was 2000 dollars, if I was able to choose one below my cap I'd be able to use that money towards a nice band(s) set to go with the e-ring. On a closing note I will say that you guys are making this way more fun versus the "mall shopping" I was doing previously, It was to the point were I basically was ready to become submissive and just buy whatever cause I was annoyed with the whole process BUT now (and I can't believe i'm saying this) I'm actually enjoying this... so Thank You PS Community!
 

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JMCenter|1346686952|3261783 said:
This is a very valid point and one that admittedly so I may have forgotten about, she's definitely a white diamond kind of gal, which now that I sit here makes me ponder if the "k color" may be a little too warm for her? I've been going through google images of K color diamonds and it seems as though it's not too bad but then again your talking to a 25 year old male with terrible eyes haha.. what do you guys think? anyone have any experience or personal rings which feature a "K color" diamond that you may be willing to share with me?

The original ring you linked shows as an "I" centerstone, graded by a lenient (basically null) I.G.I. I bet that's really a K+ color. This is how my BF sorta found helpful.. =)

G-I = white, but not bleached out white. Like the flat white you see on cars.
J-L = a little warmer white, like the "white pearl" you see on cars. When you look at it, you still process its color as white.

This is what *I* see from diamond color in old cuts. Old cuts usually face up whiter and carry their color in the side profile. I actually think the average person wears a J-K, without even knowing it, because the average shopper gets their diamonds from the maul with poopy "certificates" to back up what the maul wants them to think. It's rare to find the whiter colors in old cuts :)

and I'm around your age, with 15/20 post-Lasik vision :wink2: not that vision really matters too much when we're talking color, not inclusions :tongue:

If you feel reserved from the color, can you make a trip to a non-maul jewelry store to look at diamonds in that color range? I believe Mara's K grade is estimated conservatively, so stick with looking at the GIA K colors. Since most brick and mortar jewelry stores don't carry old cuts, also take into consideration that the stone will face up whiter than the MRBs you'll see there.

Either way, I think you should contact her to see if it's still available, and to let her know you're interested so it doesn't get snagged up by someone else :)) PS has a lottttt of lurkers, and lurkers love leeching the benefits off of others' work. Add in that it's second hand and priced at a value, you might have someone swoop in and steal it from right under your nose!




Editted to fix my quotes. 8) oopsies!
 

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madelise|1346688809|3261798 said:
G-I = white, but not bleached out white. Like the flat white you see on cars.
J-L = a little warmer white, like the "white pearl" you see on cars. When you look at it, you still process its color as white.

As a car guy, I get this comparison lol

I will go ahead and contact Mara now, unfortunately i know exactly what you mean by people "scooping & scoring" off of others dirt work on these web communities, it's happen to me on both my shoe forum (I collect shoes) as well as car forums (I modify cars) haha. As always Thank you for input madelise, you guys are really educating me over here and making me feel a lot more confident about this purchase, that's if i ever make one lol
 

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I'm thinking this is going to be too far out of your comfort zone, but a PSer just relisted this beauty ---- gorgeous 3 stone trellis at size 5.75. Just wanted you to see it - who knows - maybe you could work out an arrangement with the fellow PSer!! :))

http://diamondbistro.com/index.php?a=2&b=31344
 

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Enerchi|1346690904|3261818 said:
I'm thinking this is going to be too far out of your comfort zone, but a PSer just relisted this beauty ---- gorgeous 3 stone trellis at size 5.75. Just wanted you to see it - who knows - maybe you could work out an arrangement with the fellow PSer!! :))

http://diamondbistro.com/index.php?a=2&b=31344

That's a beautiful piece, unfortunately it is out of my budget :nono: . I've asked myself on several different occassions is my budget too skimp but maintaining a family, a mortgage and are various spending expenditures (we vacation like crazy, i have a shoe addiction & a motor i'm in the middle of rebuilding) reaching above 2k is already a stretch for me. Of course I could go ahead and give visa a quick call and I'm sure qualify for a nice limit which would allow me to by the posted ring but I'd really rather not incur any type of debt due to this purchase, i'll save that for the wedding haha...

Thank you though! 8-)

I checked out brilliance and found this diamond...
- 0.80 Carat Round Cut Diamond K Color -VS2; Ideal.
http://www.brilliance.com/diamonds/0.80-carat-round-k-color-vs2-clarity-ideal-cut-egl-certified-loose-diamond-D12424171
 

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JMCenter|1346691265|3261819 said:
Enerchi|1346690904|3261818 said:
I'm thinking this is going to be too far out of your comfort zone, but a PSer just relisted this beauty ---- gorgeous 3 stone trellis at size 5.75. Just wanted you to see it - who knows - maybe you could work out an arrangement with the fellow PSer!! :))

http://diamondbistro.com/index.php?a=2&b=31344

That's a beautiful piece, unfortunately it is out of my budget :nono: . I've asked myself on several different occassions is my budget too skimp but maintaining a family, a mortgage and are various spending expenditures (we vacation like crazy, i have a shoe addiction & a motor i'm in the middle of rebuilding) reaching above 2k is already a stretch for me. Of course I could go ahead and give visa a quick call and I'm sure qualify for a nice limit which would allow me to by the posted ring but I'd really rather not incur any type of debt due to this purchase, i'll save that for the wedding haha...

Thank you though! 8-)

Well, it was worth a try to have you at least look at it - it IS a beauty!

I am not at all intending for you to go into debt or over extend if you aren't comfortable. All just food for thought - fun to think and plan and fantasize about tho, isn't it?? Ok - I'll also add 'a little stressful' to that list too! ;))

But --- I do really love the idea of the OEC of MAra's that Madelise found for you, as well as the Gabriel setting that DS found - def in your budget zone! and that would be GORGEOUS as well. :appl:
 

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Enerchi|1346692073|3261823 said:
JMCenter|1346691265|3261819 said:
Enerchi|1346690904|3261818 said:
I'm thinking this is going to be too far out of your comfort zone, but a PSer just relisted this beauty ---- gorgeous 3 stone trellis at size 5.75. Just wanted you to see it - who knows - maybe you could work out an arrangement with the fellow PSer!! :))

http://diamondbistro.com/index.php?a=2&b=31344

That's a beautiful piece, unfortunately it is out of my budget :nono: . I've asked myself on several different occassions is my budget too skimp but maintaining a family, a mortgage and are various spending expenditures (we vacation like crazy, i have a shoe addiction & a motor i'm in the middle of rebuilding) reaching above 2k is already a stretch for me. Of course I could go ahead and give visa a quick call and I'm sure qualify for a nice limit which would allow me to by the posted ring but I'd really rather not incur any type of debt due to this purchase, i'll save that for the wedding haha...

Thank you though! 8-)

Well, it was worth a try to have you at least look at it - it IS a beauty!

I am not at all intending for you to go into debt or over extend if you aren't comfortable. All just food for thought - fun to think and plan and fantasize about tho, isn't it?? Ok - I'll also add 'a little stressful' to that list too! ;))

But --- I do really love the idea of the OEC of MAra's that Madelise found for you, as well as the Gabriel setting that DS found - def in your budget zone! and that would be GORGEOUS as well. :appl:

Of course! I really wish i could accomodate something as breath taking as that particular piece you shared, I do agree though Madelise & DS have definitely helped me put together a quality piece, one that i'm actually anxious to put together and see in person! Of course i'm still looking around at other options (i've got 8 hours to kill at my desk haha) but I definitely feel like i'm in great hands right now :appl:
 

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JMCenter,

An EGL K is probably going to be a lot warmer than a K. If you're going to look at K, stick to GIA.

I'm one of the lucky ducks who actually prefers warmer diamonds. The flashes of color in my 3/4 carat OEC are pastel and the color is more like white wine or champagne than anything yellow.

Here's a possibility on ebay, ending soon: http://www.ebay.com/itm/190719709928?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

mydiamondzone on ebay has several possibilities under your budget.

Good luck! I think you can find something absolutely lovely and stay within budget.

liz
 

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Currently talking to Mara in regards to her diamond... She was nice enough to share with me a photo of the OEC 3/4 ct. diamond accompanied by a .33 ct. diamond jacket...

**edited by moderator. please upload photos to forum directly**

guess will see how things work themselves out![

quote="LibbyLA"]JMCenter,

An EGL K is probably going to be a lot warmer than a K. If you're going to look at K, stick to GIA.

I'm one of the lucky ducks who actually prefers warmer diamonds. The flashes of color in my 3/4 carat OEC are pastel and the color is more like white wine or champagne than anything yellow.

Here's a possibility on ebay, ending soon: http://www.ebay.com/itm/190719709928?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

mydiamondzone on ebay has several possibilities under your budget.

Good luck! I think you can find something absolutely lovely and stay within budget.

liz[/quote]

Thanks Liz for the color comparison, I get what your saying and appreciate it! As for mydiamondzone, i'm currently checking their inventory now, this is getting fun :naughty:
 

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No one really advises people to go into debt to get a ring, but if you guys have the money to take a lot of vacations and spend money on expensive shoes and cars, I am just wondering if you are setting a budget for this ring that is in keeping with your other spending? Like maybe you could skip a vacation and not buy more shoes for the next year and put that extra money towards a ring she might wear the rest of her life??? I am not opposed to paying for part on a credit card if you can pay it off in a few months by spending less on other things.

That said, Mara's stone looks great in the halo!
 
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