HCA gets a Patent !!

Congrats Garry!  I have several times bought diamonds blind just by using the HCA, and they''ve always turned out beautiful, even my diamond studs with 33 degree crowns and tables of 60-61!  I couldn''t have done it without your wonderful tool!

Date: 8/5/2007 3:50:50 AM
Author: door knob solitaire
For He is the jolly good fellow,

For He is the jolly good fellow,

For He is the jolly good fell-looooow,

Which nobody can deny!!

DKS

Thats a Good One. Made me SMILE!

WOW Garry...  CONGRATS! 

It's been a long time coming.

US Patent = HEAVY LIFTING!

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WooHoo!! Congratulations Garry, what an accomplishment! 

Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
I have a bet with my Gym mate (mate as in G''day mate - in the Aussie sense) to loose 4 kg = about 9 lb for a bottle of 389. Looks like I will win - only 1kg to go...

Author: JohnQuixote
WOW Garry... CONGRATS!

US Patent = HEAVY LIFTING!

Man, why you sheddin'' pounds if ya look like that?

Congrats on persisting to get a patent.

Date: 8/5/2007 3:52:07 AM
Author: Regular Guy

Date: 8/5/2007 3:27:17 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 8/4/2007 11:58:18 PM
Author: strmrdr
congrates Garry.
Does that mean you will be doing HCA2?

Talk to me Storm

Garry,

Hopefully Storm will be by, but meanwhile, this topic has come up before, referenced by you, and it''s been raised both longer ago (here referencing HCApro).

yep

Date: 8/5/2007 9:57:06 PM
Author: stebbo

Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
I have a bet with my Gym mate (mate as in G''day mate - in the Aussie sense) to loose 4 kg = about 9 lb for a bottle of 389. Looks like I will win - only 1kg to go...

Author: JohnQuixote
WOW Garry... CONGRATS!

US Patent = HEAVY LIFTING!

Man, why you sheddin'' pounds if ya look like that?

Congrats on persisting to get a patent.

I wish!!!

I had to delete almost all the photo''s of me in France in my lycra cycling gear a month or 2 ago.  Only 1kg / 2lb to go to win the wine!

Then I can start the body building.

But back to topic - Ira, I am pretty busy with the launch of DC3 just now. (anyone with the hasp versions of DiamCalc can get the new download from the octoNus site, those without a hasp will neeed to wait a few days till we finish the set up of a distribution system. You may need a new computer to get all the benefits).

So yes - Ira there is the possability that i could commercialize HCA now. But during the past 8 years since the original germ of an idea I know soo much more, that I need to decide what I can offer that is best for users and the market.

Just a grading system for polished was never my end game plan. We need an integrated system - one that aids and rewards producers to make the best goods out of each piece of rough diamond. And Sergey is so far out in front on that aspect that HCA has a few cobwebs.  So all my friends here on Pricescope - think about what we can do - think outside the box.

Date: 8/6/2007 7:23:03 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

So yes - Ira there is the possability that i could commercialize HCA now. But during the past 8 years since the original germ of an idea I know soo much more, that I need to decide what I can offer that is best for users and the market.

Naturally

Just a grading system for polished was never my end game plan. We need an integrated system - one that aids and rewards producers to make the best goods out of each piece of rough diamond. And Sergey is so far out in front on that aspect that HCA has a few cobwebs. So all my friends here on Pricescope - think about what we can do - think outside the box.

What are the limitations on sergey's work?

Date: 8/6/2007 7:46:13 AM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 8/6/2007 7:23:03 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

So yes - Ira there is the possability that i could commercialize HCA now. But during the past 8 years since the original germ of an idea I know soo much more, that I need to decide what I can offer that is best for users and the market.

Naturally

Just a grading system for polished was never my end game plan. We need an integrated system - one that aids and rewards producers to make the best goods out of each piece of rough diamond. And Sergey is so far out in front on that aspect that HCA has a few cobwebs. So all my friends here on Pricescope - think about what we can do - think outside the box.

What are the limitations on sergey''s work?

He has bold and exciting visions for turning our staid 19th century industry into an exciting rapid growth fashion orientated business DiaGem. Optimize is the key word. I have been working toward making diamonds more attractive for many years. But while I focused on a few parameters, he has been looking at the underling assumptions and market drivers.  The patient needs shock therapy

Date: 8/6/2007 8:00:40 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 8/6/2007 7:46:13 AM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 8/6/2007 7:23:03 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

So yes - Ira there is the possability that i could commercialize HCA now. But during the past 8 years since the original germ of an idea I know soo much more, that I need to decide what I can offer that is best for users and the market.

Naturally

Just a grading system for polished was never my end game plan. We need an integrated system - one that aids and rewards producers to make the best goods out of each piece of rough diamond. And Sergey is so far out in front on that aspect that HCA has a few cobwebs. So all my friends here on Pricescope - think about what we can do - think outside the box.

What are the limitations on sergey''s work?

He has bold and exciting visions for turning our staid 19th century industry into an exciting rapid growth fashion orientated business DiaGem. Optimize is the key word. I have been working toward making diamonds more attractive for many years. But while I focused on a few parameters, he has been looking at the underling assumptions and market drivers. The patient needs shock therapy

Habits are difficult to get rid of, and you are 100% right..., The patient needs "serious" shock therapy!!!

Congrates Garry,

Such a great tool,

Heres to the next step!

Another one chiming in for a round of congratulations to Garry on the HCA finally being patented.  It''s about time.

Date: 8/6/2007 8:00:40 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

He has bold and exciting visions for turning our staid 19th century industry into an exciting rapid growth fashion orientated business DiaGem. Optimize is the key word. I have been working toward making diamonds more attractive for many years. But while I focused on a few parameters, he has been looking at the underling assumptions and market drivers. The patient needs shock therapy

Sorry, I respect the efforts being made in the area of non-rounds...as this is your work and such...but...

- are most of these developments really about non-rounds
- aren''t the optimum performance markers of these non-rounds generally under the shadow of a Tolkowski round, generally?

This being the case...though my mornings have been a bit quick paced of late...I can go with a bowl of shredded wheat most any day for breakfast.

I mean to say...communicating broadly about the round brilliant...helping a general populace nail it with ease...this is not a bad target...even if you have to hand it off, while you work on more exotic fun stuff.

Date: 8/6/2007 7:23:03 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

... I am pretty busy with the launch of DC3 just now. (anyone with the hasp versions of DiamCalc can get the new download from the octoNus site, those without a hasp will neeed to wait a few days till we finish the set up of a distribution system. You may need a new computer to get all the benefits).

Just a grading system for polished was never my end game plan. We need an integrated system - one that aids and rewards producers to make the best goods out of each piece of rough diamond. And Sergey is so far out in front on that aspect that HCA has a few cobwebs. So all my friends here on Pricescope - think about what we can do - think outside the box.

I must say that the new ray-traced animations in DC3 are so damn impressive that maybe an animation really tells a thousand words--a single grade or index, or even multiple numbers, just aren't open to personal interpretation and could never attempt to convey beauty. They might require a reasonably pumped computer to generate in real time, but not so for the public to view the result. Seeing a diamond listed with such realistic animations under a few common lighting scenarios--that's progress for sure.

Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

I have a bet with my Gym mate (mate as in G'day mate - in the Aussie sense) to loose 4 kg = about 9 lb for a bottle of 389. Looks like I will win - only 1kg to go...

So it wasn't a picture of you? What's the Cut Group all about then?

And why isn't this dude a member?

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Look out for the echo (from another thread), and from the pecks (above...):

The topic is (still slightly) askew to the main topic here (inasmuch as we want to mostly take out the cake and congratulate you here..and not pummel you too much with questions...but maybe that''s just me), but...re your patent, Garry...I tried to contemplate it over lunch.  What are you protected from, and what are you protecting, i.e....

a) HCA uses proportions to predict performance.  (updated note...to the extent it is procedure based...maybe it is primarily based on observing patterns from ray tracing, vs noting reactions from clinical trials).  Anything else about it?
b) Can you extrapolate, as you noted elsewhere, and work on other shapes and be protected?
c) Can you act against AGS to cease & desist?  (update note #2...because, at some point, the procedures become not fundamental, ie., 1)do you use ogi or sarin..., 2) is the scale placed on the right or left, 3) is the diamond in hand or abstracted from previously gathered data, etc.).

Thanks for posting this here Ira

Date: 8/6/2007 7:10:35 PM
Author: Regular Guy

Look out for the echo (from another thread), and from the pecks (above...):

The topic is (still slightly) askew to the main topic here (inasmuch as we want to mostly take out the cake and congratulate you here..and not pummel you too much with questions...but maybe that''s just me), but...re your patent, Garry...I tried to contemplate it over lunch. What are you protected from, and what are you protecting, i.e....

Date: 8/6/2007 7:10:35 PM
Author: Regular Guy

a) HCA uses proportions to predict performance. (updated note...to the extent it is procedure based...maybe it is primarily based on observing patterns from ray tracing, vs noting reactions from clinical trials). Anything else about it?

The HCA patent covers the concept of entering 3 or more individual sets of proportion data into a computer in any way (scanner, computer or via the internet) and using look up charts of predetermined preferences to describe or rate a diamonds beauty / cut quality. It does not cover my look up charts - it covers any look up charts. HCA look up charts are only covered by copyright.

Date: 8/6/2007 7:10:35 PM
Author: Regular Guy

b) Can you extrapolate, as you noted elsewhere, and work on other shapes and be protected?

Of course - with any look up charts - it could be used (or licensed to be used) by AGS with their charts. Or they could give me copyright to use their charts with HCA, for example (That is not preemtive of anything as i have had no such discussions with anyone - it is just an e.g.)

Date: 8/6/2007 7:10:35 PM
Author: Regular Guy

c) Can you act against AGS to cease & desist? (update note #2...because, at some point, the procedures become not fundamental, ie., 1)do you use ogi or sarin..., 2) is the scale placed on the right or left, 3) is the diamond in hand or abstracted from previously gathered data, etc.).

I can not restrict what AGS do because they do real calculatins on the fly - they do not use look up charts

The source of data is imaterial, but if the look up charts pertaining to preferences are imbedded in the scanner then this is potentially covered. The claims are quite specific about the types of ''preference'' and would not cover say the old AGS, HRD, IGI or EGL grades.

The diamond can be in hand or at a great distance. 

GIA Facetware seems to be similar, just more parameters to enter.

Date: 8/7/2007 12:46:36 AM
Author: whatmeworry
GIA Facetware seems to be similar, just more parameters to enter.

My patent covers all GIA the extra parameters WMW, including Sym, Polish, half facets etc. I added those extra''s because I am unfunded, but I was well aware of their role.