Calling Dreamer_D and Yssie and other old cut lovers~

Written by Dreamer_D » May 22nd, 2012, 11:45 pm:

Written by Gypsy » May 22nd, 2012, 11:13 pm:I think that if you love Coati type pattering the IDJ and the OWD are going to be good options for you.
I'm excited for you. And I'm so glad you posted on here.

I agree and was actually going to say the ID stone is the closest to an AVR in patterning I think.

Yssie: Go to bed! And check your e-mail

Written by Yssie » May 23rd, 2012, 12:23 am:I have no doubts that you'll find the perfect OEC that does change my opinion a bit actually though, if "charm" (read: cute wonk) isn't really what you want! I'd probably skip the OWD - bit of nailhead? The GOG jumps to the top of my list, for two reasons - A) it really does look lovely, and B) the vendor is used to evaluating the stones the way that you want your stone to be evaluated - in terms of precision and clinical light return quantity and type. IDJ can as well but it's a less comprehensive evaluation (but def worth asking more about the stone and getting some scope pics!)
JbEG values different things - nothing wrong with either approach, they just have different priorities, but you're in a very good position to judge since you'll actually be seeing the stones in-person!
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A delicate halo could be really pretty VC does beautiful pave work but I would not recommend him for metalwork. If you want a setting with intricate metalwork my recommendation would be to contact LM and DBL (I've worked with DBL, I would trust LM as well) or, if you're looking for something more whimsical, Mike of RDG is a great guy (they're in NZ)

Written by MyDiamondSparkles » May 23rd, 2012, 6:42 am:
I'm chiming in late here, but if I recall correctly the GOG one also has a inclusion on the table. I don't think it shows up in photos but I could see it in the video--and someone else here noticed it too--now who was that--they recently purchased a larger OEC???--Bright Ice maybe? I wonder if Bright Ice saw that GOG one in person--might be good to ask. Plus, the seller has stated that the diamond never appeared yellow to him when set in platinum--maybe it was bezel set where the sides didn't show--because any reasonable person would assume that a QR will most certainly show color. Before I'd move on that one I'd want to see it put into a halo to see if you can get the yellow result you want--not sure if GOG has any semi mount halos laying around the store--but at least I'd want to see it surrounded by smaller high color diamonds to get the idea of how it's going to look. All that being said, it does have my favorite faceting pattern.

Edit to add: Okay, look at the video at 51 seconds, 115-117 seconds and specially at 134 seconds and you will see the inclusion on the table at the 2-3 o'clock position. If you place your cursor over the slider thing you can see frame by frame and the second related to each frame. I didn't look at the video and further but you might be able to see it more is you watch the entire video.

Written by madelise » May 23rd, 2012, 1:07 pm:So far, that one's not under my immediate radar as it seems JbEG has a few goodies to show me, and IDJ has shown me an awesome one. I'm going to first see what JbEG has, then work from there to see if I even want to bother Jon or continue bothering Adam, even. I almost feel like I'm "cheating" on them when I talk to other vendors! I get so guilty also, since I've proven to not handle anxiety and too much information well, I'd like to cross things out first before adding more to the plate I think that's best for my own sanity lol!

Written by audball » May 23rd, 2012, 7:23 am:I'm so glad you decided to expand for more help madelise!

I'm glad you ruled the 2.89 JBEG out, I told you yesterday that I didn't love that one either.

The one thing I am going to say about the GOG stone is this: I think you should consider having the 3.07 Q from GOG brought in for you to see with your own eyes. You have mentioned that one to me several times and your ONLY qualm is the color. Maybe it WILL be yellow enough for your liking in person. You won't know if you don't check. It seems to check most of your boxes (size, price, spread, performance, and knowing clarity is the least important to you, I don't think that inclusion will bother *you*). Not to mention it leaves PLENTY of room for you to get THE setting out the gate. GOG has a GREAT return policy and you DO get a lot more information from him out the gate than some of the other vendors. Call him. Talk to Jon about the stone. He will give you honest feedback. He should be able to tell you if you can enhance the yellow, etc. It's well within budget, bring it in and discuss it with a local independent appraiser.

I agree that even though AVRs aren't for everyone, if it were in budget that it MAY be for you since you wouldn't have the anxiety of performance, color, etc. This 3.07 has been on consignment for a LONG time now. They may even be up for negotiations at this point. Wont' know if you don't ask.

Of the others, I personally quite like the 2.6 L at JBEG. I have a feeling it's going to be too in between for *you* (not white enough, not yellow enough) and it's a bit wonkier than I think you and your FF will be okay with since he was originally hung up on precision MRB. I don't see him going for it.

I can't wait to hear what you think about all the baubles they're bringing to show you though! Listen to your gut. This is too big a purchase to feel rushed. Take your sweet time. Dreamer is right, it may take awhile to find, but there will ALWAYS be more diamonds. This is NOT a purchase you want to regret later.

ETA: Also take Gypsy's advice and contact Perry to see what he can source. He does a LOT of the antique cushions and OECs for Leon's pieces. It's definitely worth a call to him too. OECs are a totally different ballgame than MRBs as you know. It's not something where you can necessarily just go with your favorite vendor and know that they can all more/less get the same precision cut hearts and arrows. They all have different contacts and can likely find you different unique choices. Call them all (not necessarily all at once! )

Written by madelise » May 23rd, 2012, 1:11 pm:Yup, I'm keeping that one in mind but not until after I've already finished meeting with JbEG and finishing up my judgements of that IDJ. I really don't think I can handle too much info at once! I start feeling pressured and then I'll regress just regress in this process. I'm so surprised that I'm able to get this many contenders, though! I'm so happy

Written by madelise » May 23rd, 2012, 1:21 pm:Yes, I am glad, but I'm still kind of that PS doesn't allow us to edit or delete or whatnot.. I don't know how excited I am about this thread being here 10 years later! There's great education here that I'd love to share, sure, but I wish I can pull my identity away from it.. especially with sharing so much personal info on the "other sides". :X

Written by Yssie » May 23rd, 2012, 1:36 pm:If you have one an IS will be much easier to use than red paper!

Def a question for Grace - if they'd mind if you take pics (and post them on PS)

Yes, I did the comparison pics - the differences are even more striking IRL. But, I do not dispute that VC does very nice pave work, and it's most important that *you* feel good about your vendor choice, whatever you decide

Written by madelise » May 23rd, 2012, 12:56 pm:

Written by Dreamer_D » May 22nd, 2012, 11:45 pm:

Written by Gypsy » May 22nd, 2012, 11:13 pm:I think that if you love Coati type pattering the IDJ and the OWD are going to be good options for you.
I'm excited for you. And I'm so glad you posted on here.

I agree and was actually going to say the ID stone is the closest to an AVR in patterning I think.

Yssie: Go to bed! And check your e-mail

oh, and turn of events, that IDJ one is a GIA graded stone too which gives me a tad of reassurance since I'm always iffy of EGL's .. lack of consistency.

Written by Gypsy » May 23rd, 2012, 3:06 pm:

Written by madelise » May 23rd, 2012, 12:56 pm:

Written by Dreamer_D » May 22nd, 2012, 11:45 pm:

Written by Gypsy » May 22nd, 2012, 11:13 pm:I think that if you love Coati type pattering the IDJ and the OWD are going to be good options for you.
I'm excited for you. And I'm so glad you posted on here.

I agree and was actually going to say the ID stone is the closest to an AVR in patterning I think.

Yssie: Go to bed! And check your e-mail

oh, and turn of events, that IDJ one is a GIA graded stone too which gives me a tad of reassurance since I'm always iffy of EGL's .. lack of consistency.

What color is it by GIA?

Written by madelise » May 22nd, 2012, 10:58 pm:

Written by Yssie » May 22nd, 2012, 10:10 pm:I'll be really interested to hear what you think of the JbEG this Friday!

I completely understand what you mean about colour - it should be either white or yellow, not in between. We'd be perfect partners if we were shopping together - that uncharacterisable mix of white and yellow is exactly the colour I look for

YES. Shop with me! I need your knowledge, and I'd be happy to pose with the colors for you I mean, I don't want to dismiss the "in between" colors YET, since I haven't seen a variety of them.. but I know for sure that I am definitely more than okay with the other 2 ends of the spectrum. I just don't know if a Q-R counts as an in-between, or a for-sure-this-thing-is-yellow.


Couple more thoughts -

Of the three JbEG takes the best pics by far! IDJ got way too close with the camera, you can tell. It makes it harder to compare. The thing is... since you're looking for an old cut, I assume you aren't prioritising light return the way we would with RBs, and that faceting and facet patterning is important to you as well - with a budget like yours if light return is the godsent priority your best bet is an AVR! So which one do *your* eyes like best, from the pics?

AVR would be awesome as it'd take away any anxiety about the performance, however, it is out of my budget completely! I still want to prioritize a nice cut with an awesome pattern. I like that it reflects colorful chunky light over the splintery-er white flashes that a MRB does. I don't know how to explain it. I love MRBs, don't get me wrong, especially since the spread would be a little bit more.. and like Mara's thread, it's definitely easier to get find someone else to adopt it when it's time to move on. It's my 2nd choice for an E-Ring stone, and if I can't find a good OEC that I love in the next half year, or whenever the heck SO starts panicking because it's getting close to his Popping of the Q time, I'm giving up and getting a MRB.

My eyes love best the patterning in that 2.6 L, big and blocky.. and my favorite is the checkerboard-y look of coatimundi's tranny. However, I know it's IMPOSSIBLE to find my required stats regardless of patterning-type, so I guess I'll settle for any pattern as long as it's visually pleasing and is bright. I want it to be one of those described "it's always glowing, it never turns off"- type of stone.

Also what setting are you thinking of, and who are you going to commission to make it? The IDJ and OWD look very round - easy to set in whatever style. I'd want a skilled bench for the JbEG though, to either play up the off-roundedness or conceal it - I could see a less experienced/skilled bench making a mess of a bezel on that one, say

I have way too many dream setting ideas, from a folder of saved images to bookmarks of pages to pencil sketches that I did. I am okay with a temp setting, like a simpler solitaire with a few sidestones or whatnot for a few years. My ultimate "goal" setting is to have VC do an altered frankiextah + anne_h.. with a delicate delicate halo, and a basket with some sort of lotus in the metalwork. (My Chinese name has the character lotus in it, and I love the symbolism of something beautiful arising out of murky, dirty, gross water). I guess this also depends on what my centerstone will end up being, though. If it's too "big", I don't want a halo. If it's "just right", I'll stick a tasteful, delicate halo on it. The idea of it protecting the girdle also pleases me. I do have huge size 8 fingers, too, so I can get away with "gaudier" looks.

The owner of that last GOG that DS posted has posted about the stone and his efforts to sell in preloved, if you are interested (since it's public info anyway!) It is a gorgeous stone.

Do you think it'd be "yellow enough" if it were to be stuck with a gold cup though? Or would it still be in that in between zone?

Written by ariel144 » May 23rd, 2012, 4:01 pm:
That pre-loved on GOG is a "Q" I believe. Did you see the post of that 3 stone M color AVC's in yellow gold? I was so surprised at how yellow an M could look in a yellow gold setting and they weren't set in a cup...it was beautiful.

here it is:
http://www.pricescope.com/forum/show-me-the-ring/m-avc-three-stone-in-yellow-gold-t175160.html

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Written by Maisie » May 23rd, 2012, 4:52 pm:Hope this helps

Written by madelise » May 23rd, 2012, 5:16 pm:

Written by Maisie » May 23rd, 2012, 4:52 pm:Hope this helps

YES IT DOES thank you so much maisie! What on earth am I doing wrong here! PS hates me I wish you can help me figure out that darn video situation, too!

Written by Maisie » May 23rd, 2012, 5:25 pm:
I don't think we can upload videos here. If you can upload it to youtube you can share the link here though.

As for the photos, I just saved them to my computer then uploaded them. I'm not sure why it wasn't letting you. I know in the past we had to make sure the file names were unique and not used by someone else uploading a photo. Could that have been it?

Written by Yssie » May 23rd, 2012, 6:10 pm:The faceting on the IDJ is fabulous!!

I really think the eyeclean question is just something you're going to have to evaluate with your own eyes. The fact that it has a recent GIA report that called it an SI2 is promising - w/ a reputably graded SI you don't have to worry about inclusions that are durability risks, so that's one more box checked off..