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rosie3983

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Hi. I am new to Pricescope. I have been looking for a suitable diamond for some time now and am currently considering this GIA 1.21ct, G, SI2 stone with excellent cut grade. I am told by the vendor that it is 100% eye clean, even when viewed close up. Please could any experts have a look at the cert available at http://www.adiamor.com/D-8448590.htm and let me know what you think? Unfortunately there is no photo available at present.

(The other option I’m considering is getting a significantly smaller (0.8) carat FVS2/1, just so I know it would be perfect!)
 

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Date: 9/17/2009 7:32:33 AM
Author:rosie3983
Hi. I am new to Pricescope. I have been looking for a suitable diamond for some time now and am currently considering this GIA 1.21ct, G, SI2 stone with excellent cut grade. I am told by the vendor that it is 100% eye clean, even when viewed close up. Please could any experts have a look at the cert available at http://www.adiamor.com/D-8448590.htm and let me know what you think? Unfortunately there is no photo available at present.

(The other option I’m considering is getting a significantly smaller (0.8) carat FVS2/1, just so I know it would be perfect!)
Be cautious with this one, there are sizeable clouds plotted as grade setters, I would want an expert opinion whether they were impacting brilliance....If you were to buy this diamond make absolutely sure there is a good return policy and get an independant appraiser to inspect the diamond to check those clouds and their impact.

https://www.pricescope.com/appr_list.aspx

The diamond itself might look ok for cut, but an Idealscope image is needed, you would need to ask this vendor if they supply them or not.

http://www.highperformancediamonds.com/index.php?page=education-performance
 

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Date: 9/17/2009 10:05:24 AM
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Thanks, that''s helpful. I''ll maybe give this one a miss. VS seems safer. What do you think to one of these:

http://www.adiamor.com/D-8836478.htm

http://www.adiamor.com/D-8813463.htm

? I''m assuming H colour won''t be a problem. This enables me to get a 1ct VS clarity, excellent cut diamond that scores below 2 on the HCA. What do you think?
These look better, I prefer the first one. It could be worth asking Adiamor if they offer Idealscope images. Do you prefer to buy only from them?

Also SI2 clarity can be fine if eyeclean, you just need to be careful with clouds as above, some SI2 or SI1 can be excellent choices. H colour will be very white, no issues there.
 

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Thanks, Lorelei. Adiamor seem to have some pretty good deals and they have a setting I prefer to any at James Allen (who also offer good deals), so I think I''d prefer to go with them. Unfortunately, though, Adiamor don''t provide ASET images or photos.

Any reason for preferring option one? Could I be confident that this will be a really nice stone, even without seeing an ASET image? I''m assuming a GIA VS2 will be eye clean?

Your help is much appreciated.
 

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Date: 9/17/2009 11:33:12 AM
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Thanks, Lorelei. Adiamor seem to have some pretty good deals and they have a setting I prefer to any at James Allen (who also offer good deals), so I think I'd prefer to go with them. Unfortunately, though, Adiamor don't provide ASET images or photos.

Any reason for preferring option one? Could I be confident that this will be a really nice stone, even without seeing an ASET image? I'm assuming a GIA VS2 will be eye clean?

Your help is much appreciated.
You are most welcome, glad to help!

The first diamond shows promise but I have seen distinct light leakage in some GIA 35/40.8 angle combos so I really prefer an Idealscope image for these diamonds, which we can't get apparently. It is entirely possible its a good diamond but can't say for sure without an image to check for leakage. I might be a bit overcautious but I have seen a reasonable amount of these that show leakage over the years. VS2 should be eyeclean in that size but it never hurts to check, see if this vendor has the diamond in their possession or whether they need to call it in from their supplier.
 

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Oh, really - there may be significant light leakage even with scoring an ''excellent'' for light return on HCA? You can tell how clueless I am!

I have sent Adiamor an email asking whether they can get hold of an idealscope image, but I think it is very unlikely. I live in the UK and would be incurring approx. 1000GBP in import duty to get the stone into the country, so I really have to get it right as sending it back at that cost won''t really be an option!
 

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Date: 9/17/2009 12:47:02 PM
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Oh, really - there may be significant light leakage even with scoring an 'excellent' for light return on HCA? You can tell how clueless I am!

I have sent Adiamor an email asking whether they can get hold of an idealscope image, but I think it is very unlikely. I live in the UK and would be incurring approx. 1000GBP in import duty to get the stone into the country, so I really have to get it right as sending it back at that cost won't really be an option!
Whether leakage is significant...Might not be at all, many of these angle combos are fine depending on GIA rounding and other factors, just that I have seen some with leakage. And you are not clueless, we all had to start somewhere! Put it this way, I wouldn't buy a 35/40.8 angled diamond for myself without an idealscope or ASET image.

Would you like some selections posted for you which have images provided or with the means to get them? If you give us an idea of budget and your requirements we could post some selections for you?

I think that the duties payable when sending a diamond ring to the UK from the US are 15% VAT and 2.5% import duty which is refundable ( I believe) should you decide to return the ring. Working on my calculations on a $4500 diamond you shouldn't have to pay more than 500 pounds total VAT and import duty.

Quick example - this diamond http://www.adiamor.com/D-8836478.htm costs with bank wire -

$4793 which working on an exchange rate of 1.65 USD = 2,905.00 GBP

15% VAT = 453.75 plus 2% import duty = 58.10 GBP = 493.85 total to pay, so the cost of the diamond = 3398.85 GBP approximately.
 

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yap, possible due to the angles being an average of 8 facets and then rounded off in steps of 0.5 degrees for the crown and 0.2 degrees for the pavilion.
 

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Thanks, Lorelei. Anyone''s suggestions would be very gratefully received!

I am looking to spend no more than 3900GBP including stone, platinum setting (plain four prong, fairly high to show off the stone, 2.5-3mm, cathedral type not knife-edge) and duty.

I''m not too fussed about the clarity of the stone in terms of what''s on paper as long as it is definitely eye clean even from close up, H colour and above and ideally at least 1 carat (6.45mm plus). I would obviously like something very well cut and beautiful!
 

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Date: 9/17/2009 1:20:14 PM
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Thanks, Lorelei. Anyone's suggestions would be very gratefully received!

I am looking to spend no more than 3900GBP including stone, platinum setting (plain four prong, fairly high to show off the stone, 2.5-3mm, cathedral type not knife-edge) and duty.

I'm not too fussed about the clarity of the stone in terms of what's on paper as long as it is definitely eye clean even from close up, H colour and above and ideally at least 1 carat (6.45mm plus). I would obviously like something very well cut and beautiful!
Ok, lets see what we can find. That works out at around 3400 pounds or $5610 for the whole ring ( I deducted 500 pounds for duties).

Here is one, very nice cut for $4438 bank wire, you should be able to get the setting you want for a few hundred which will bring you within budget. It is an I colour but it will still be very white.

http://www.whiteflash.com/round/Round-cut-diamond-2106436.htm#

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1260177.asp

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1251629.asp

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1197738.asp

With the above from JA you will need to request an IS image, also they should have settings to suit your budget also.
 

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Many thanks for the recommendations! The 1.16 seems like the most ''bang for buck''. Would the strong fluoro not be a problem?

Which of those you''ve suggested would you recommend most highly?
 

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Date: 9/17/2009 2:19:03 PM
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Many thanks for the recommendations! The 1.16 seems like the most 'bang for buck'. Would the strong fluoro not be a problem?

Which of those you've suggested would you recommend most highly?
Strong blue fluoro to me is a nice bonus in an H or I colour so what I would do is ask for JA's gemologist Julianna to check that it isn't making the diamond look cloudy ( this is very rare). Some believe strong blue fluorescence can help a diamond face up a little whiter.

Well I love size in diamonds - hehe - so if an Idealscope image checked out for the 1.16 then I would be interested in that one.
 

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Ooh, big is always good! However, would I be okay with an I colour? I have seen an I colour IGI diamond which looked really very yellow to me, but then it was IGI rather than GIA...
 

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Probably you saw a bad cut plus a loosely graded IGI stone, that will make the body color appear much worse than an actual I color in an well cut stone.
 

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IGI can grade softly, so the yellow I you saw might have been a J perhaps, or even a K!
 

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Date: 9/17/2009 2:36:17 PM
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Ooh, big is always good! However, would I be okay with an I colour? I have seen an I colour IGI diamond which looked really very yellow to me, but then it was IGI rather than GIA...
IGI are said to grade more leniently than GIA or AGS plus cut quality can make a real difference to how a colour grade presents itself. If it was a fancy shape non round diamond you saw, sometimes colour can show more in these shapes too, added to the grading and cut quality. Of course if you prefer H or better then stick to that, as you say its best to get it right first time in this instance.

http://diamonds.pricescope.com/grading.asp
 

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If you see any nice Is and an I would be good enough for other Pricescopers (!), I would certainly be interested to have a look if it were slightly larger....
 
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