Blues anyone?

WOW!! please post the GIA color reports.

CUSO, you should start a thread in the Colored Stones forum. Many CSers don't frequent the Hangout forum and I'm sure they'd love to see your blues... I know Kenny, tourmaline_lover, and LovingDiamonds all have colored diamonds. Chrono just bought a lovely pink diamond too.

Wow those look pretty intense, would love to see more pictures!!

My wifes grandfather used to work for a defense contractory in Saudi Arabia. He was head of the procurement department. When any of the royal family, needed something, he got it. For instance, in the early 80's they needed 1000 11 pasanger vans for the HAJ that year, so he got them all and shipped to them, and for that they gave him gold and jewels. Not just that 1 time, but for many, many things. 1ooo bottles of DOM, 100 Rolls Royces, 100 Lamborghini SUV's (yes, they did make suv's). These are just a few examples. But he would come home every 3 months laden with gold (of which he sold at the low 90's prices) and jewels, mostly diamonds (and 1 2ct ruby that i also have). These have been verified as diamonds in Dubai and Dallas by the grandfather. I have no interest in ever selling these. Under a loop I can see a few small grains and 1 whisp. I dont know if we will ever set them, as my wife does not feel comfortable with stomes that big and that $$$.

Oh, he passed away a 3 years ago, and the grandmother just died 3 mos ago, there were meant to go to my wife. Many better stones were split between the remainder of the family as well as 1 luck uncle who got a 12oz solid gold chalise.

And what makes these stones particularly cool. He got 1 stone in 1985ish, and 11 years later he procurd stuff for the same guy, and the other stone was among the items in that jewel bag

WOW!! Very beautiful...I'm sure Kenny will be making you an offer any day now!

Please post the reports, we need the specs!

They look vivid. Have you had them appraised by GIA?

Very nice.

They may be real mined diamonds, as opposed to lab-grown, but their value almost entirely depends on the origin of that blue color.
Color in diamonds can be of natural or of man-induced origin, and GIA is the most trusted entity to make this call.
Nobody will pay the zillions of bucks these would be worth (if the color is natural) without a GIA grading report.
Nobody!

I'm certainly no expert but I've never seen natural blue color like that, but have seen man-induced color like that.
The price difference will be perhaps 100 fold or more, so for insurance purposes and just to be sure of what you have I'd send them to GIA to establish the origin of that electric blue color.
Even if the color is man-induced they are still very beautiful gems.

If you DO have GIA grading reports stating this blue is of natural origin you have my sincere apologies, and I have just learned something.

Very beautiful! Perhaps you could make something special for your girls someday with these stones.

Written by CUSO » December 31st, 2010, 4:55 pm:Now the story behind these diamonds (yes, diamonds!) is more interesting than the stones themselves. They are pretty darn clean. I tried to take in the sunlight as good as I can, they sparkle a whole lot more in person. Question, when the pics are a full 1.9 MB the picture is crystal clear, but I have to downsize the pic to 30kb to upload, any way I can post the full 1.9 MB?

PS will not upload any file larger than 1 MB.

Here's what I do to maximize the file size:
I have a mac.
With the pic on my screen I'll do a screen capture (shift Command 4)
Then position the cursor over one corner and press and hold the mouse button.
With the button held down drag to the other corner.
Let go.
The places a PNG file on your desktop.
Without opening that file, right click on its icon, select show info.
If it is under 1MB you can upload it to PS.
If it is over 1 MB repeat the process but resize the window to make the pic smaller before you do your screen capture.

If you have a PC I have no clue.

Written by kenny » December 31st, 2010, 5:52 pm:Very nice.

They may be real mined diamonds, as opposed to lab-grown, but their value depends on if the origin of that blue color.
Color in diamonds can be of natural or of man-induced origin.
GIA is the most trusted entity to evaluate the color origin of diamonds.

I'm certainly no expert but I've never seen natural blue color like that, but have seen man-induced color like that.
The price difference will be perhaps 100 fold, or more so for insurance purposes, and just to be sure of what you have, I'd send them to GIA to establish the origin of that electric blue color.
Even if the color is man-induced they are still very beautiful gems.

If you DO have GIA grading reports stating this blue is of natural origin you have my apologies, and I have just learned something.

I couldn't agree more. You MUST get them graded by GIA if you haven't already. The price of natural blues of 2 carats (if I remember the weight you mentioned correctly) must be enormous.

[I'm certainly no expert but I've never seen natural blue color like that, but have seen man-induced color like that.
The price difference will be perhaps 100 fold, or more so for insurance purposes, and just to be sure of what you have, I'd send them to GIA to establish the origin of that electric blue color.
Even if the color is man-induced they are still very beautiful gems.

If you DO have GIA grading reports stating this blue is of natural origin you have my apologies, and I have just learned something.[/quote]


Kenny would they have been doing this type of man-enhancing in the 70's and 80's. I like to think that a royal in the Saudi family would not have such a stone, but who knows, maybe they have them to give to westerners...

Written by CUSO » December 31st, 2010, 6:03 pm:

Kenny would they have been doing this type of man-enhancing in the 70's and 80's. I like to think that a royal in the Saudi family would not have such a stone, but who knows, maybe they have them to give to westerners...

I don't know.

This is a question for the experts over on the Color Stones forum.
You may post your pic and ask there, or request admin move this thread.

There is an enormous amount of money at stake riding on the origin of that blue.
You owe it to your daughters (whom you say all your life's work is for) to get it answered.
The ONLY way to establish color origin that will satisfy buyers and insurance claim investigators is to send them to GIA.

If you were selling these to me I wouldn't give a hoot about what YOU (or the nice sales lady at Harry Winston) say about them, Saudi Schmaudie!
(Nothing personal)
I'd want GIA reports. Period!

If you are lucky, they are irradiated real diamonds. If you are not lucky, they are blue topaz or zircon.

Considering that a fancy NATURAL blue diamond, such as the one linked here, goes for $40K for 0.2 carat, I seriously doubt that even the Saudis pass them out like chiclets. I've dealt with Saudis, they don't usually think like that. Why would they, when they could make some earrings for one of the wives?

http://www.fancydiamonds.net/view_diamonds/4544.htm

Falls into my "too good to be true" category.

Send them to the GIA and for $200, you will know for sure. http://www.gia.edu/lab-reports-services/index.html

Why does the header say "Rocky Talk" when I am in hangout?

Wow, such vibrant color!

IIf you are selling these to me I don't give a hoot about what YOU say about them, Saudi Schmaudie!
(Nothing personal)
I'd want GIA reports. Period![/quote]


I am 100% with you here. I dont buy anything without the correct papers. But I have only had them for 3 months and never occoured to me to get any report because I would never sell them, and I knew they were diamonds, but you are now making me nervous that they could be enhanced = worthless, or not enhanced = worth really big $$$$$$$$

Written by CUSO » December 31st, 2010, 6:15 pm:I am 100% with you here. I dont buy anything without the correct papers. But I have only had them for 3 months and never occoured to me to get any report because I would never sell them, and I knew they were diamonds, but you are now making me nervous that they could be enhanced = worthless, or not enhanced = worth really big $$$$$$$$

Exactly!!

They are either worth a TON of money or not that much.

Don't be nervous.
Be certain.
Send them to GIA.

Don't waste your time showing them to jewelers or appraisers.
GIA grading is the only way to settle this important question.
Nobody is going to buy these based on an appraisal from ANY appraiser.

Here is the fee GIA charges:
You can ship them via secure carrier like Malca Amit to GIA in New York or Carlsbad CA, or hand deliver them.
You do not have to be in the industry.
I wish you all the best, but I will be surprised if the come back as having color of natural origin.

I mean we are talking the kind of money that buys mansions here.

Seriously need to get them to GIA.

I could buy irradiated blues tomorrow.

I will never ever be able to afford a 2 carat natural blue of that intensity.

Written by iLander » December 31st, 2010, 6:12 pm:Why does the header say "Rocky Talk" when I am in hangout?

Because the thread was moved to RT, which is where you are now if you are reading this thread.

The old link has a special symbol beside it that means the thread has been moved. We leave the old link active so there is a trail for those who are looking for the thread in the original forum to follow.

holy crap! I truly did not know the price scope of untreated Blues. I just thought maybe they were 30k tops. Now I am beginning to think they could not possibly be natural. I will probably be sending 1 in Jan to see. I never hit jackpots (other than my wife). So I am assuming they are worth about 1k if enhanced? I will keep them regardless just because I like the story of how the grandfather got them.

Is that a great big window in the one on the right?

Written by VapidLapid » December 31st, 2010, 7:26 pm:Is that a great big window in the one on the right?

i dont understand

I agree that the color is reminiscent of irradiated blue diamonds rather than naturally colored blue diamonds, meaning that they're probably not worth the fortune that they would be worth were they completely natural. But they're beautiful nonetheless!

A "window" is an area of the stone that allows you to see straight through the stone to the material behind it. Its not desirable. How large are the stones? Did you mention that already? Maybe they are native cut ...which might explain the window to some extent.

Written by CUSO » December 31st, 2010, 7:16 pm:holy crap! I truly did not know the price scope of untreated Blues. I just thought maybe they were 30k tops. Now I am beginning to think they could not possibly be natural. I will probably be sending 1 in Jan to see. I never hit jackpots (other than my wife). So I am assuming they are worth about 1k if enhanced? I will keep them regardless just because I like the story of how the grandfather got them.

Yes they are beautiful and they have sentimental value so I'd definitely enjoy them and feel good about them.

When you double the carat weight of natural blues the price does not double; it skyrockets.
A matching pair of near flawless, 2 ct each, vivid natural blues would go for near or perhaps over 1 million.
(I'm sure others here could give you a more precise guess.)

You can see why that's a check that nobody would write without that vital GIA report.

I think a window is the result of the stone being cut too shallow for light to get reflected back out the top so it leaks out the back. You can see through the stone just like a window.
Place them on your hand.
If you can see the skin behind them they have windowing.

Still if color was of natural origin all bets are off when it comes to cut and clarity.
Bad cut or clarity lower the price relatively little on high-color FCDs compared to white diamonds.

I'm not knowledgeable at all about colored diamonds except to know that their prices can be very pricey! However, that blue is amazing in color and not something that I've ever seen while looking at colored diamonds.

Aside from knowing their true value, you want to be able to adequately insure them in case of loss or theft. An insurance company will want some type of paperwork to do this and you might as well have as much documentation as you possibly can to help determine their value and to cover the asset.

those are bluer than the hope diamond - I don't believe it.

Well I'm going to disagree with folks.

I wouldn't waste 200 bucks for a certificate for a stone that might a poorly cut zircon, a stimulant, or just glass. I would post on Rocky Talky for a recommendation of good shop local to you with a good bench that has nice gemstones. Then I would go and tell them that you were told these might be irradiated diamonds, synthetic sapphires, or zircons and you were wondering what the shop thought. Skip the Saudi story, keep details to a minimum, just say that they were inherited.

Honestly I would not even mention anything about natural blues because the chances that these are natural blue diamonds are in the billions. If the shop says that they might be diamonds (irradiated or not)... then I would send it to the GIA. I wouldn't spare them any additional effort unless they are diamonds or sapphires and not sims.

Written by Gypsy » January 1st, 2011, 2:51 am:Well I'm going to disagree with folks.

I wouldn't waste 200 bucks for a certificate for a stone that might a poorly cut zircon, a stimulant, or just glass. I would post on Rocky Talky for a recommendation of good shop local to you with a good bench that has nice gemstones. Then I would go and tell them that you were told these might be irradiated diamonds, synthetic sapphires, or zircons and you were wondering what the shop thought. Skip the Saudi story, keep details to a minimum, just say that they were inherited.

Honestly I would not even mention anything about natural blues because the chances that these are natural blue diamonds are in the billions. If the shop says that they might be diamonds (irradiated or not)... then I would send it to the GIA. I wouldn't spare them any additional effort unless they are diamonds or sapphires and not sims.

+1. Or maybe find an appraiser that has a refractometer so they can calculate a refractive index, so that will at least tell you if they're diamonds or not. If they ARE diamonds, it's up to you whether you want to send them to GIA, given that the chance of them being natural blues is miniscule.

I hope these turn out natural! That would be something truly spectacular. While the story of their acquisition is sort of interesting--I would disagree that it is more interesting than the diamonds themselves if they are natural. The story behind the blue color, if deemed naturally occurring, is much more interesting than any Saudi family and stands a chance of dating back to near creation itself. I wouldn't discount the possibility of them being naturally occurring to quickly, as I have seen that electric blue in a diamond before and the brilliance was indescribably beautiful. I know you said you won't sell them, but if you change your mind...

Written by iLander » December 31st, 2010, 6:12 pm:If you are lucky, they are irradiated real diamonds. If you are not lucky, they are blue topaz or zircon.

Considering that a fancy NATURAL blue diamond, such as the one linked here, goes for $40K for 0.2 carat, I seriously doubt that even the Saudis pass them out like chiclets. I've dealt with Saudis, they don't usually think like that. Why would they, when they could make some earrings for one of the wives?

http://www.fancydiamonds.net/view_diamonds/4544.htm

Falls into my "too good to be true" category.

Send them to the GIA and for $200, you will know for sure. http://www.gia.edu/lab-reports-services/index.html

Why does the header say "Rocky Talk" when I am in hangout?

$38,400 for a .2 ct diamond. Wow.