Back on the Diamond Hunt - Need Help!

[ManhattanSpin]

Alright folks, been awhile since I've been on here. Got delayed on my diamond hunt due to work...ready to see this through now!

Right now, I am considering two stones that I'd like some guidance on.

1. 3.56ct round (9.94mmx10mm), F, VS2 - GIA triple excellent - 56% table, 60.3% depth, 32 degree crown, 41.2 degree pavilion. No fluorescence.

2. 3.23ct round (9.45mmx9.5mm), F, VS2 - GIA triple excellent - 58% table, 61.5% depth, 35 degree crown, 40.8 degree pavilion. No fluorescence.

Now, stone #1 is $20k more than stone #2. Is it worth it? I know that's a personal question, but I am curious what people think.

I would be mounting in a helo-type platinum setting.

Thanks for your help again!

 

[04diamond<3]

Hmmm...they're both cut great. Diamond one scored 1.5 on the HCA and diamond two 1.7....I don't know that that would justify the $20k difference! Especially since they're the same in color and clarity. What's your budget for the stone? I could help you find something...

 

[ManhattanSpin]

Hmmm...they're both cut great. Diamond one scored 1.5 on the HCA and diamond two 1.7....I don't know that that would justify the $20k difference! Especially since they're the same in color and clarity. What's your budget for the stone? I could help you find something...

The cut score isn't what I am worried about, both seem to be almost identical in that regard. It's the half millimeter size difference really.

Budget is around $100,000.

 

[04diamond<3]

i just did a comparison with same color and clarity and both excellent cuts according to GIA with the same size difference as the ones you posted and it was only a $3k difference. So based on this, no I dont think the extra $20k worth it...are you looking for some other options?

 

[ManhattanSpin]

Definitely open to other options! These were just the two that I was able to track down. I am leaning towards the 3.23ct since there's more "value" there (if that can be said at this price point)

 

[04diamond<3]

Ok! Should I stay within the F VS2? or can you sway either way?

 

[ManhattanSpin]

I would consider a G perhaps, but only if it was closer to F than H (hard to determine online). Would only go up from VS2, not down.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

#2 is great! I do not like the low crown angle on #1 at all, so I'd eliminate that one for sure. Will they provide you with an idealscope image on #2? That is a lot of money to spend and not know if you are getting the best cut.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Ahh, I found a fantastic one for you! The highest cut quality! Because it has a great depth, it faces up just about the same as the 3.2 ct stone above!

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9996/ (list price is $106,707 but ask for Jonathan to discuss the stone and the price.)

One more thing...with your budget, I wouldn't even consider lower than F VS2. That is perfect!

 

[04diamond<3]

Ok, here's what I found so far...

from JA:
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-VS2-Excellent-Cut-Round-Diamond-1430000.asp
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VS2-Excellent-Cut-Round-Diamond-1539255.asp
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-VS2-Excellent-Cut-Round-Diamond-1455587.asp
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-VS1-Excellent-Cut-Round-Diamond-1539608.asp
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VS2-Excellent-Cut-Round-Diamond-1539257.asp
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/E-VS2-Excellent-Cut-Round-Diamond-1544472.asp
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VS2-Excellent-Cut-Round-Diamond-1536968.asp

from BG:

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/3.110-g-vs2-round-diamond-gia-37344067 (I'd request a picture)

GOG:

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9996/ (Not exactly sure how much this is, but I'd ask...it is gorgeous)

WF:

this might be worth asking about:
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2854088.htm

 

[ManhattanSpin]

Ahh, I found a fantastic one for you! The highest cut quality! Because it has a great depth, it faces up just about the same as the 3.2 ct stone above!

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9996/ (list price is $106,707 but ask for Jonathan to discuss the stone and the price.)

For reference, #2 above is $91k. Seems like a better deal, no?!

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Ahh, I found a fantastic one for you! The highest cut quality! Because it has a great depth, it faces up just about the same as the 3.2 ct stone above!

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9996/ (list price is $106,707 but ask for Jonathan to discuss the stone and the price.)

For reference, #2 above is $91k. Seems like a better deal, no?!

Well, that depends on two factors. 1...we don't know the bottom line price on the GOG stone because I have to believe they might negotiate on a stone in that price range, but that is just an opinion! 2...we need to see the idealscope image and a magnified image of #2 stone in order to see if it is really as well cut as the GOG stone. Then there are other factors to consider such as lifetime trade-in policies.

Can you get the images on stone #2?

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I have to go out shopping for a little while and will check back in later!

 

[ManhattanSpin]

Can't get the images Could look at the scope myself in person, but don't have the images.

 

[Doc_1]

Hmmm...they're both cut great. Diamond one scored 1.5 on the HCA and diamond two 1.7....I don't know that that would justify the $20k difference! Especially since they're the same in color and clarity. What's your budget for the stone? I could help you find something...

The cut score isn't what I am worried about, both seem to be almost identical in that regard. It's the half millimeter size difference really.

Budget is around $100,000.

If color is not a strict issue (Solasfera's trump white stones with their brightness)
4.12 carat Solasfera, tough to beat in performance and looks:

Diamond:
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/10137/

Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUqeg2Usg9Y&list=UUEV7slr-i-VduBBnfv9MxhA&index=12

I doubt if any thing out there out performs this one!
If color is strict requirement then disregard.

 

[04diamond<3]

Ahh, I found a fantastic one for you! The highest cut quality! Because it has a great depth, it faces up just about the same as the 3.2 ct stone above!

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9996/ (list price is $106,707 but ask for Jonathan to discuss the stone and the price.)

For reference, #2 above is $91k. Seems like a better deal, no?!

Well, that depends on two factors. 1...we don't know the bottom line price on the GOG stone because I have to believe they might negotiate on a stone in that price range, but that is just an opinion! 2...we need to see the idealscope image and a magnified image of #2 stone in order to see if it is really as well cut as the GOG stone. Then there are other factors to consider such as lifetime trade-in policies.

Can you get the images on stone #2?

+1 any pictures would be helpful. Do you know if stone #2 is a true hearts and arrows diamond? If not, then I think this diamond is better just because it is a superior hearts and arrows. Due to the fact that this stone (from GOG) is almost the same size as your 3.2 I would guess it's not a true H&A. If you're spending this kind of money, I'd get the absolute best! Besides, DS suggested that you give Jonathan a call and they could work on the budget with you. It's a win win!!

 

[04diamond<3]

Hmmm...they're both cut great. Diamond one scored 1.5 on the HCA and diamond two 1.7....I don't know that that would justify the $20k difference! Especially since they're the same in color and clarity. What's your budget for the stone? I could help you find something...

The cut score isn't what I am worried about, both seem to be almost identical in that regard. It's the half millimeter size difference really.

Budget is around $100,000.

If color is not a strict issue (Solasfera's trump white stones with their brightness)
4.12 carat Solasfera, tough to beat in performance and looks:

Diamond:
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/10137/

Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUqeg2Usg9Y&list=UUEV7slr-i-VduBBnfv9MxhA&index=12

I doubt if any thing out there out performs this one!
If color is strict requirement then disregard.

I believe she said no lower than G and the G would have to be closer to an F

 

[ManhattanSpin]

I am a "he" buying this for my GF!

Strict on color, yes.

I was told #2 is perfect Hearts & Arrows

 

[04diamond<3]

I am a "he" buying this for my GF!

Strict on color, yes.

I was told #2 is perfect Hearts & Arrows

haha, I'm sorry Well, a picture would be nice...and it'd help with the decision...If you live in NY, you could call Jonathan at GOG and see the stone we're suggesting in person...and maybe he can call in the stone you are inquiring about and compare the two?

 

[onthinice]

The stone from GOG has a limited, not a lifetime guarantee. Is this because GOG doesn't own the stone ? Does this mean no trading in ?

 

[04diamond<3]

The stone from GOG has a limited, not a lifetime guarantee. Is this because GOG doesn't own the stone ? Does this mean no trading in ?

You'd need to call them for specification on their policies.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

The stone from GOG has a limited, not a lifetime guarantee. Is this because GOG doesn't own the stone ? Does this mean no trading in ?

There are several reasons that might be. I agree that talking with Jonathan about all that would be the best bet.

Stone #2 sounds like a good possibility as well.

Solasferas are amazing stones. I personally would rather have a regular 3 ct F over a 4 ct. I color Solasfera. But there are plenty of women who would adore and choose the Solasfera in a 4 ct. size and I color!

 

[Doc_1]

Jonathan is great guy to work with, give him a call and see what you come up with.
Solasfera is unique and it is on my list when the budget allows. Performance wise it trumps all the round brilliant cuts. You just need to see the videos and better in person to agree!

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I actually had him do a video for me of three different style rounds including a Solasfera, but I think there is a video of the 4 ct. Solasfera, too. I will look and post what I find.

(Edited because doc_1 already posted the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUqeg2Usg9Y&list=UUEV7slr-i-VduBBnfv9MxhA&index=12)

It really is incredible!

This video shows a comparison of two hearts and arrows stones with a Solasfera in the middle:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YhhTLIxv28&list=UUEV7slr-i-VduBBnfv9MxhA&index=9

 

[Doc_1]

I actually had him do a video for me of three different style rounds including a Solasfera, but I think there is a video of the 4 ct. Solasfera, too. I will look and post what I find.

I already did put the link to it in my post.
Wow! what a stone

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I actually had him do a video for me of three different style rounds including a Solasfera, but I think there is a video of the 4 ct. Solasfera, too. I will look and post what I find.

I already did post the link to it in my post.
Wow! what a stone

Oh doc, I apologize!!! Well, it was worth looking because I might not have watched the video again otherwise!!!

 

[Doc_1]

Oh doc, I apologize!!! Well, it was worth looking because I might not have watched the video again otherwise!!!

Please keep your link seems like it is another video for the same stone.

 

[Doc_1]

For original poster, i just wanted to share with you what i know about a spectacular cut, sorry if i intervened, by no means i wanted to thread jack, just to add a small info. good luck finding your stone!

 

[ManhattanSpin]

Not a problem! Still on the hunt. Going to see the 3.23 in person and see what it's like.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Great! Please give us an update when you can!