Asscher Cut ASET images and specs
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There are others better qualified than I am to answer your questions, specifically KarlK and Gypsy and I'm sure that they will see your thread and offer their thoughts.
It does look as though the diamond has a fair amount of leakage under the table, it's possible that it's windowing and when the stone is tilted it will light up. All asschers that I have seen have some windowing effect. I'd also want to see more red and less green in the ASET image. I think it looks like a very pretty stone though and an icy white E to boot!
Do you have another that you are comparing this one to?
It does look as though the diamond has a fair amount of leakage under the table, it's possible that it's windowing and when the stone is tilted it will light up. All asschers that I have seen have some windowing effect. I'd also want to see more red and less green in the ASET image. I think it looks like a very pretty stone though and an icy white E to boot!
Do you have another that you are comparing this one to?
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http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Asscher-Diamond-1260282.asp I would buy this one in a heart beat if I wanted a beautiful well cut asscher that performs well. Despite the SI rating it is eyeclean and it is a beauty. With asschers quality is all about the cutting and this one is a TOP quality asscher.
You can see real life images of the diamond here: [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/dilemma-between-the-two-asschers.172652/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/dilemma-between-the-two-asschers.172652/[/URL] One of our members was torn between this one and another from a different vendor. Both were equally gorgeous. But she chose the other one, ultimately. And so this one is still available.
I can honestly say that if I was looking for a 1 carat asscher I would be on the phone and would have this one purchased before you could say "boo"!
You can see real life images of the diamond here: [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/dilemma-between-the-two-asschers.172652/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/dilemma-between-the-two-asschers.172652/[/URL] One of our members was torn between this one and another from a different vendor. Both were equally gorgeous. But she chose the other one, ultimately. And so this one is still available.
I can honestly say that if I was looking for a 1 carat asscher I would be on the phone and would have this one purchased before you could say "boo"!
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Other options (I really would prefer that stone above to any of these though, I MEAN that!).
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Asscher-Diamond-1332783.asp The table is large but if the crown height is good then it's got a good look to it. I would personally prefer a crown height of 14% or greater but over 11% would be okay on this one. JA can run a sarin on it and tell you what the crown height is.
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/D-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Asscher-Diamond-1429086.asp Same exact issue here. Big table check crown height (I prefer the one above to this one though). Also if you are interested in this one please ask why the girdle is 'very thin' in areas, and also how many areas that applies to, AND where are they on the stone. (I would buy that F SI asscher over this one in a heartbeat though).
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/D-VS1-Very%20Good-Cut-Asscher-Diamond-1465418.asp Not my favorite as it is overdeep and faces up small. But it does have some potential, so if you wanted another option here it is.
AGAIN, I would chose that F SI over any of these. BUT (after you ask them for crown height and girdle information) you can ask JA to pull all four stones and to tell you which one is the brightest and prettiest, best performing stone. It's going to be that F though, I know it.
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Asscher-Diamond-1332783.asp The table is large but if the crown height is good then it's got a good look to it. I would personally prefer a crown height of 14% or greater but over 11% would be okay on this one. JA can run a sarin on it and tell you what the crown height is.
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/D-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Asscher-Diamond-1429086.asp Same exact issue here. Big table check crown height (I prefer the one above to this one though). Also if you are interested in this one please ask why the girdle is 'very thin' in areas, and also how many areas that applies to, AND where are they on the stone. (I would buy that F SI asscher over this one in a heartbeat though).
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/D-VS1-Very%20Good-Cut-Asscher-Diamond-1465418.asp Not my favorite as it is overdeep and faces up small. But it does have some potential, so if you wanted another option here it is.
AGAIN, I would chose that F SI over any of these. BUT (after you ask them for crown height and girdle information) you can ask JA to pull all four stones and to tell you which one is the brightest and prettiest, best performing stone. It's going to be that F though, I know it.
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dabie|1335932116|3185432 said:
It's completely safe, that inclusion. And if you can't see it, it doesn't affect it's safety, and the stone is gorgeous otherwise, why does it matter? And personally, a birthmark inclusion like that will always let you know the stone is yours.
JA has a great return policy too. You can always have it sent to you and evaluate it in person and see what you think.
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Gypsy|1335924977|3185290 said:http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Asscher-Diamond-1260282.asp I would buy this one in a heart beat if I wanted a beautiful well cut asscher that performs well. Despite the SI rating it is eyeclean and it is a beauty. With asschers quality is all about the cutting and this one is a TOP quality asscher.
You can see real life images of the diamond here: [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/dilemma-between-the-two-asschers.172652/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/dilemma-between-the-two-asschers.172652/[/URL] One of our members was torn between this one and another from a different vendor. Both were equally gorgeous. But she chose the other one, ultimately. And so this one is still available.
I can honestly say that if I was looking for a 1 carat asscher I would be on the phone and would have this one purchased before you could say "boo"!
Wow! I thought this one was gone!
This is a fantastic asscher!!! I know that you said that you are hesitant to buy an SI1, and believe me I would have been too, my asscher is a VVS1, but this is a very well cut stone, and you won't come across many like this. As I'm sure you already know, asschers face up small for their weight and this one is a really fantastic spread and a nice high crown (lots of firey flashes) and a perfect shape. Its a pity that it's an SI1 because I think that it's scaring a lot of people away. I completely agree with Gypsy on this stone though, it certainly wouldn't hurt to order it and see what you think of it in person, because it's going to be tough to find another one like this, especially shopping blind online.
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I see that the stone is on hold, I really really hope that you put it on hold! There are many lurkers that are also looking for stones, but don't post to ask for help, and often when a diamond is recommended they will jump on it before the OP has a chance to. I hope that this didn't happen here, I would love to see you get this asscher!
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Thats a bummer! 
Have you considered the octavia? They are gorgeous and have amazing light performance, so if you want lots of bling and a step cut, this would be a perfect choice. The one that FG posted is beautiful! And you can you bet that you won't see many...if any around.
Have you considered the octavia? They are gorgeous and have amazing light performance, so if you want lots of bling and a step cut, this would be a perfect choice. The one that FG posted is beautiful! And you can you bet that you won't see many...if any around.
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farmer gal|1335961737|3185579 said:
The Octavia is an asscher and it is a REALLY AND TRUE knock out in person. So... I might reconsider your decision to not think about it at least. There is a link somewhere that compares the octavia to generica asschers. I'm sure someone will post it (if they don't I can see if I can hunt it down).
That said, I'm not surprised it's been placed on hold. I'll go a head and see If I find anything other than these that I like for you as a result.
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/D-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Asscher-Diamond-1429086.asp Same exact issue here. Big table check crown height (I prefer the one above to this one though). Also if you are interested in this one please ask why the girdle is 'very thin' in areas, and also how many areas that applies to, AND where are they on the stone. (I would buy that F SI asscher over this one in a heartbeat though).
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/D-VS1-Very%20Good-Cut-Asscher-Diamond-1465418.asp Not my favorite as it is overdeep and faces up small. But it does have some potential, so if you wanted another option here it is.
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HERE ARE THE ONES I WOULD BE ON THE PHONE ABOUT (that includes the first two D's I posted above).
I would be on the phone about this one ASAP:
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-SI2-Very%20Good-Cut-Asscher-Diamond-1452935.asp The cut is really nice and I can not see anything under the loupe where the inclusions should be. SO... this might be another needle in a hackstack. SERIOUSLY, it's worth a 5 minute phone call to find out if this one is harshly graded and eyeclean. Because it's a really GREAT size for your budget (not for the carat weight, it faces up small for that, but FOR YOUR BUDGET it's a great size and the depth is contributing to that really lovely picture).
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/E-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Asscher-Diamond-1334694.asp Nice spread. Great looking picture (actually it looks like mine) E color, great clarity. I think this is my front runner of all the diamonds I've posted for you in terms of balance of 4's, spread and image/faceting.
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Asscher-Diamond-1332783.asp This one is really lovely from the picture but I am worried about that large table. If the crown height is over 14% (and I mean that over 14%) then it's worth investigating. They can do a Sarin on it and tell you the crown height. Also ask if eyeclean (even though it is a VS2 it might not be, given the image. Compare this one to the SI2 and you'll see why I said that is an incredibly clean SI2). It's a beautiful image. I'm just worried it will be flat and glassy if the crown height doesn't balance out that large table.
Have them pulled. All 5 of them ( including the two D's I picked for you earlier). See if that H SI is eyeclean from any distance through the top. As about the crown height of that F 1.21 with the 67% table. If either of those does not check out, discard.
Then of the remaining stones ask for the top three performers in the gemologists estimation. BRIGHT stone with great light return, even facets that fire when moved. THEN get a SARIN and an ASET of each. Okay?
I would be on the phone about this one ASAP:
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-SI2-Very%20Good-Cut-Asscher-Diamond-1452935.asp The cut is really nice and I can not see anything under the loupe where the inclusions should be. SO... this might be another needle in a hackstack. SERIOUSLY, it's worth a 5 minute phone call to find out if this one is harshly graded and eyeclean. Because it's a really GREAT size for your budget (not for the carat weight, it faces up small for that, but FOR YOUR BUDGET it's a great size and the depth is contributing to that really lovely picture).
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/E-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Asscher-Diamond-1334694.asp Nice spread. Great looking picture (actually it looks like mine) E color, great clarity. I think this is my front runner of all the diamonds I've posted for you in terms of balance of 4's, spread and image/faceting.
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Asscher-Diamond-1332783.asp This one is really lovely from the picture but I am worried about that large table. If the crown height is over 14% (and I mean that over 14%) then it's worth investigating. They can do a Sarin on it and tell you the crown height. Also ask if eyeclean (even though it is a VS2 it might not be, given the image. Compare this one to the SI2 and you'll see why I said that is an incredibly clean SI2). It's a beautiful image. I'm just worried it will be flat and glassy if the crown height doesn't balance out that large table.
Have them pulled. All 5 of them ( including the two D's I picked for you earlier). See if that H SI is eyeclean from any distance through the top. As about the crown height of that F 1.21 with the 67% table. If either of those does not check out, discard.
Then of the remaining stones ask for the top three performers in the gemologists estimation. BRIGHT stone with great light return, even facets that fire when moved. THEN get a SARIN and an ASET of each. Okay?
Gypsy|1336006271|3186184 said:
I had this one pulled. Here is the gemologist's opinion:
"I'm happy to say that this diamond has great light performance, faces eye clean, and is icy white in color. This is also an excellent option for you, and when cross referencing the gemologist's feedback, this diamond performs a little stronger than the one you have brought in previously. Of the two recommended diamonds you've had looked at, this is your brighter and better option."
Here are the ASETs and the Sarin (crown height at 14.4%). Thoughts?
Also, does anyone have any pictures of an asscher in a tiffany step cut type of setting?
http://www.tiffany.com/Engagement/Item.aspx?GroupSKU=GRP10057
http://www.tiffany.com/Engagement/Item.aspx?GroupSKU=GRP10057
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Yes. That's a great diamond! I think that one is lovely. Are you going to get it?
As for the setting. Yes, Emmy has one that looks similar from the top (but isn't a cathedral from the side). [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/asscher-in-grace-rose-gold-setting.173940/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/asscher-in-grace-rose-gold-setting.173940/[/URL] I think it looks great.
If JA is carrying Vatche, they have quite a few designs that would be lovely with your stone that are similar. I would pick a design with a slightly different basket though, one that allows for a flush fit or at least close fit band.
As for the setting. Yes, Emmy has one that looks similar from the top (but isn't a cathedral from the side). [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/asscher-in-grace-rose-gold-setting.173940/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/asscher-in-grace-rose-gold-setting.173940/[/URL] I think it looks great.
If JA is carrying Vatche, they have quite a few designs that would be lovely with your stone that are similar. I would pick a design with a slightly different basket though, one that allows for a flush fit or at least close fit band.
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http://www.dvatche.com/index.php?page=collection&catID=2,18&startRow=24&id=177&alt=0 If this is 2mm at the shank I think it would a lovely choice.
http://www.dvatche.com/index.php?page=collection&catID=2,18&startRow=36&id=8&alt=2 If they can do the prongs on this VERY refined (more so than in this pic) then this one would be nice because it would show off the corners.
http://www.dvatche.com/index.php?page=collection&catID=2,18&startRow=54&id=54 Personal favorite, because I like a little sparkle in my profile.
http://www.dvatche.com/index.php?page=collection&catID=2,18&startRow=36&id=8&alt=2 If they can do the prongs on this VERY refined (more so than in this pic) then this one would be nice because it would show off the corners.
http://www.dvatche.com/index.php?page=collection&catID=2,18&startRow=54&id=54 Personal favorite, because I like a little sparkle in my profile.
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Yeah, it's a static image and diamonds are made for movement. As long as they light up in movement they aren't dead-- just dark in that exact position. So just ask the gemologist if they light up when moving the diamond. They should light up and if they do... normal. If they don't then it is dead, but it's not likely to be. Still worth a call to ease your mind.
If you do buy it, I'd love some pics of it in it's final home!
If you do buy it, I'd love some pics of it in it's final home!
Gypsy|1336795519|3193640 said:Can't wait!!
Hi Gypsy, I hope I'm not breaking any rules by posting here to you. If I am, I apologize and am happy to follow any rules around posting. I noticed the fantastic help you gave here looking for an Asscher and I wanted to reach out to see if I could borrow your expertise on another Asscher?
I'm looking for a 2ct Asscher, Budget around 20k. I met with a jeweler who sent me through the ASET image and after reading your comments here I think it probably isn't the right stone for me.
If possible, I'd love your thoughts.
Thanks in advance.
Link to my ASET - [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/asscher-2ct-how-do-i-read-this-aest.211135/#post-3841017#p3841017']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/asscher-2ct-how-do-i-read-this-aest.211135/#post-3841017#p3841017[/URL]
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