ASET Experts/Novices, Opinion on 56 Tbl, 34.5 Crn, 40.8 Pav

[JEJ]

I've picked up this H&A (on paper per dimensions and angles) stone for under 15K. F VS 1.71. Although not represented as a H&A stone, and surely didn't carry that price tag, given the price of it versus an AGS 000, do you really think there will be that much of a difference in performance?

The 56 table, 34.5 degree crown and 40.8 degree pavilion fall squarely in the middle of the AGS labs 'ideal' range, per their own tables.

What does this ASET tell you? Thanks

 

[Niel]

Re: ASET Experts/Novices, Opinion on 56 Tbl, 34.5 Crn, 40.8

Love it

 

[pfunk]

Re: ASET Experts/Novices, Opinion on 56 Tbl, 34.5 Crn, 40.8

I would call that a h&a stone, though I may not be as crazy strict as some. You will not see a performance difference. As you can see, the ASET, IS, and hearts/arrows images look like those of a branded h&a stone. It is a gorgeous looking stone and I would say you have done very well at finding that stone at that price. I just looked at Whiteflash for a reference, and they have a 1.71 F VS1 expert selection that is 40% more expensive at over $21,000. Does this stone happen to have very strong fluorescence or something else lowering the price? For a stone cut that well, the price seems low.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Re: ASET Experts/Novices, Opinion on 56 Tbl, 34.5 Crn, 40.8

The stone looks good, but there is definitely something strange about the price. I also suspect fluorescence. If that's not it, give us the link to the GIA report.

 

[JEJ]

Re: ASET Experts/Novices, Opinion on 56 Tbl, 34.5 Crn, 40.8

It has medium florescence, which is what I was looking for anyway

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Re: ASET Experts/Novices, Opinion on 56 Tbl, 34.5 Crn, 40.8

Okay, that is still a really low price, but I guess that is the reason. How about posting the GIA report just out of curiosity.

 

[JEJ]

Re: ASET Experts/Novices, Opinion on 56 Tbl, 34.5 Crn, 40.8

This is a light performance question, not a price question. Thx

 

[pfunk]

Re: ASET Experts/Novices, Opinion on 56 Tbl, 34.5 Crn, 40.8

How about a mention of internal or surface graining? Has the vendor mentioned that the stone has a brown or gray tint? If not, have you asked about that?

 

[pfunk]

Re: ASET Experts/Novices, Opinion on 56 Tbl, 34.5 Crn, 40.8

This is a light performance question, not a price question. Thx

If it is priced unusually low, there is probably a reason why which is what the folks here are going to try to help you figure out. That reason may very well affect the light performance. It may very well be that you have a winner, but we are trying to help you cover your bases.

 

[JEJ]

Re: ASET Experts/Novices, Opinion on 56 Tbl, 34.5 Crn, 40.8

No clouds, no graining, and no mention of tints. We'll see when it gets here.

 

[pfunk]

Re: ASET Experts/Novices, Opinion on 56 Tbl, 34.5 Crn, 40.8

Sounds great. Nice job! I would be sure to take it into a good INDEPENDENT appraiser during your return period. They are well worth the money in my opinion and will give you some peace of mind that you got what you paid for and weren't missing anything.

 

[lxAsTrOxl]

Re: ASET Experts/Novices, Opinion on 56 Tbl, 34.5 Crn, 40.8

This is a light performance question, not a price question. Thx

To be fair, you did bring up price in your original topic. If you didn't want to get comments on cost I would have just posted ASET etc and left the price out of it. Besides you needing to take that stick out of your rear end, it look's like a really nice stone. Good find.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Re: ASET Experts/Novices, Opinion on 56 Tbl, 34.5 Crn, 40.8

Nice H&A stone with well balanced specs!. GIA graded stone?

 

[JEJ]

Re: ASET Experts/Novices, Opinion on 56 Tbl, 34.5 Crn, 40.8

Nice H&A stone with well balanced specs!. GIA graded stone?

GIA XXX

 

[Dancing Fire]

Re: ASET Experts/Novices, Opinion on 56 Tbl, 34.5 Crn, 40.8

Nice H&A stone with well balanced specs!. GIA graded stone?

GIA XXX

looks good to me.. IMO, it is a H&A stone.

 

[JEJ]

Re: ASET Experts/Novices, Opinion on 56 Tbl, 34.5 Crn, 40.8

This is a light performance question, not a price question. Thx

If it is priced unusually low, there is probably a reason why which is what the folks here are going to try to help you figure out. That reason may very well affect the light performance. It may very well be that you have a winner, but we are trying to help you cover your bases.

Okay, I have to come clean, it's actually a 1.67 F VS2, not a 1.71. Reason being I didn't want someone to swipe it after I'd done the legwork and before I got confirmation the wire made it. I'm getting it through B2C and so far, I'd highly recommend. It was listed right here on PS and is still shown on BlueNile. BN wire price is shown as $14,813 wire and B2C had it at $13,947 wire.

B2C took it off PS when I made the order.

http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-details/LD05813133?click_id=248926360

GIA # 6195768828

http://www.gia.edu/cs/Satellite?pagename=GST%2FDispatcher&childpagename=GIA%2FPage%2FReportCheck&c=Page&cid=1355954554547&reportno=6195768828

I have to stay in that carat range (diameter wise) to fit properly in a Tacori 2618 CU

Now you guys can tell me what's wrong with it. I'd appreciate it, along with stick comments. If it's a mesquite stick, I'll re-use it on the BBQ.

Thanks

 

[teobdl]

Re: ASET Experts/Novices, Opinion on 56 Tbl, 34.5 Crn, 40.8

Nothing jumps out from Information posted

 

[RockyRacoon]

Re: ASET Experts/Novices, Opinion on 56 Tbl, 34.5 Crn, 40.8

This is a light performance question, not a price question. Thx

If it is priced unusually low, there is probably a reason why which is what the folks here are going to try to help you figure out. That reason may very well affect the light performance. It may very well be that you have a winner, but we are trying to help you cover your bases.

Okay, I have to come clean, it's actually a 1.67 F VS2, not a 1.71. Reason being I didn't want someone to swipe it after I'd done the legwork and before I got confirmation the wire made it. I'm getting it through B2C and so far, I'd highly recommend. It was listed right here on PS and is still shown on BlueNile. BN wire price is shown as $14,813 wire and B2C had it at $13,947 wire.

B2C took it off PS when I made the order.

http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-details/LD05813133?click_id=248926360

GIA # 6195768828

http://www.gia.edu/cs/Satellite?pagename=GST%2FDispatcher&childpagename=GIA%2FPage%2FReportCheck&c=Page&cid=1355954554547&reportno=6195768828

I have to stay in that carat range (diameter wise) to fit properly in a Tacori 2618 CU

Now you guys can tell me what's wrong with it. I'd appreciate it, along with stick comments. If it's a mesquite stick, I'll re-use it on the BBQ.

Thanks

Looks great.

Only two possible areas of concern (and these are only possible):
- Medium Blue fluor has negative effects (GIA is notorious for being inconsistent with their fluor grade)
- Since crystals are the grade-setting inclusions, it is possible that these will be dark and reflect around the stone, making it not eye-clean (it is rare for a VS2 not to be eye-clean, but not particularly uncommon, in my experience)

If you address those two concerns (unlikely they will actually be issues), you should be good to go!

 

[JEJ]

Re: ASET Experts/Novices, Opinion on 56 Tbl, 34.5 Crn, 40.8

Looks great.

Only two possible areas of concern (and these are only possible):
- Medium Blue fluor has negative effects (GIA is notorious for being inconsistent with their fluor grade)
- Since crystals are the grade-setting inclusions, it is possible that these will be dark and reflect around the stone, making it not eye-clean (it is rare for a VS2 not to be eye-clean, but not particularly uncommon, in my experience)

If you address those two concerns (unlikely they will actually be issues), you should be good to go!

There's some dust as shown in the picture, but if you look carefully, the crystals line up on top of the arrows, so I'm thinking they won't be reflecting around the stone. They don't appear to be dark. We'll see. I just couldn't pass it up versus paying for an 'expert selection' or branded H&A for 6-8K more.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Re: ASET Experts/Novices, Opinion on 56 Tbl, 34.5 Crn, 40.8

You found a great stone! The fluorescence, being under 1.7, and VS2 (I misread and thought it was VS1 in your first post) explain the pricing.

 

[lxAsTrOxl]

Re: ASET Experts/Novices, Opinion on 56 Tbl, 34.5 Crn, 40.8

Going along the lines of the fluorescence, once you have physical possession of the stone be sure to take it outside in some nice sunny conditions and see if you get any milky/hazy side effects. Those crystals look like they might be more gray in color too so they might not be as noticeable.

BTW, nice choice on the Tacori setting.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Re: ASET Experts/Novices, Opinion on 56 Tbl, 34.5 Crn, 40.8

Going along the lines of the fluorescence, once you have physical possession of the stone be sure to take it outside in some nice sunny conditions and see if you get any milky/hazy side effects. Those crystals look like they might be more gray in color too so they might not be as noticeable.

BTW, nice choice on the Tacori setting.

You have a better chance of hitting the lottery than to find a med blue stone with negative effects.. My stone is rated VSB and I see no negative effects under the sun. IMO med blue fluor stones are 99.99% safe.

 

[treasurehunter]

Re: ASET Experts/Novices, Opinion on 56 Tbl, 34.5 Crn, 40.8

I call these Heart and arrow Excclent not ideal cuts because the hearts are too close to the bit making it not a heart and arrows officially but with the same look

 

[Dancing Fire]

Re: ASET Experts/Novices, Opinion on 56 Tbl, 34.5 Crn, 40.8

I call these Heart and arrow Excclent not ideal cuts because the hearts are too close to the bit making it not a heart and arrows officially but with the same look

I think b/c of the shorter LGF of 75%, but I'll still call it a true H&A stone, just my IMO.

 

[solgen]

Re: ASET Experts/Novices, Opinion on 56 Tbl, 34.5 Crn, 40.8

I call these Heart and arrow Excclent not ideal cuts because the hearts are too close to the bit making it not a heart and arrows officially but with the same look

What effect if any does it have on the light performance of the stone when viewed face up?

 

[emmebee]

Re: ASET Experts/Novices, Opinion on 56 Tbl, 34.5 Crn, 40.8

It looks really nice!! Can't wait for you to see it in person

 

[lxAsTrOxl]

Re: ASET Experts/Novices, Opinion on 56 Tbl, 34.5 Crn, 40.8

So did you get the stone yet? I'm just dying to know how awesome your stone is.

 

[JEJ]

Re: ASET Experts/Novices, Opinion on 56 Tbl, 34.5 Crn, 40.8

So did you get the stone yet? I'm just dying to know how awesome your stone is.

I've got it. Finally had a bright blue sky high UV day in Texas. Florescence was hardly discernible with 12 o'clock sun and brighter than heck. If anything it looked of a hint of icey.

Here's the fun part. Took it down to the local Hearts on Fire dealer, and he's been around ever since HOF came out. Swears by them. SO I waltz in and told them I'd like to see the difference in my stone vs HOF stones. First thing the gals did was whip out their japanese made jewelry grade H&A viewer. Plopped out my stone and she went to looking to point out how inferior it was. She said "it's going to look like this" and pointed to an illustration that supposedly depicts 'normal' stones vs HOF. Of course it was a distorted not even close to H&A stone.

Next came the confused looks. They couldn't tell a difference.

They compared it to a H color (HOF loves H colored stones it seems) and IIRC, Si1 HOF stone. Mine looked better side-by-side color wise, since it's an F.

As far as sparkle and light performance, they couldn't tell a difference, up close, across the room, even walked out their 30 or 40K tagged (can't remember) ring outside. Bright sun both looked the same. If anything the HOF stone showed a hint of florescence too.

Thoroughly stumped, then here comes the owner. Same routine. He didn't ask any particulars about cut specs or color, but tried to point out something with the H&A viewer. He didn't talk ASET or nothin. Just that HOF polishes 100x better than anyone else.

I got a kick out of it.

 

[pfunk]

Re: ASET Experts/Novices, Opinion on 56 Tbl, 34.5 Crn, 40.8

So does this mean you can indeed find "superideal" stones scattered in virtual inventories? Glad it turned out to be as beautiful as anticipated. I bet it is gorgeous.

 

[JEJ]

Re: ASET Experts/Novices, Opinion on 56 Tbl, 34.5 Crn, 40.8

So does this mean you can indeed find "superideal" stones scattered in virtual inventories? Glad it turned out to be as beautiful as anticipated. I bet it is gorgeous.

I would say you can. What would be nice is if you knew which cutters had the best equipment and had a propensity to produce higher quality cuts on average. Never mind angles and such, just symmetry in the cutting technique. I'm sure this is a closely guarded secret amongst resellers.

SO I didn't concentrate on using the HCA tool. Even though it scores a 1.4, if you look closely, the center of the 'X' on the plotter isn't actually in the right place, if you use a straight edge to make sure it's plotting at the right crown and pavilion angles. The stone has a depth of 61.7, 56 tbl, 34.5 crn, 40.8 pav. (Must be a glitch on 'X' marks the spot with the HCA tool).

What I did do is use AGSL's charts and found a stone that falls right in the middle of their '0' ideal range. Then I figured if the Idealscope and ASET looked okay, then any minor facet average angular difference wouldn't be that noticeable when it came to light performance and looks.

https://www.agslab.com/docs/pbcg/AGSLProportionCharts.pdf

The stone did have a 1.01 roundness, which concerned me, but that '.01' only amounts to .001 of an inch, which is such a minute amount, that if the stone isn't held perfectly square with any measuring device, it could show that amount easily. Like half of the width of a thin piece of paper out of tolerance.

The moral of the story is that I took a virtual selection F VS2 stone into a HOF dealer and compared it to an H Si and the virtual selection looked just as good sparkly wise and better color wise. I could buy 2 or more of these for what they wanted for their HOF stone.

I also have an engineering background...I have a micrometer sitting on my desk as I type. I understand the importance of angular precision and geometry.

I'm sure that if you compared it to a CBI stone, and stared long enough, you could probably point out slight differences. Now in the real world, you put this stone, and it's clean, against a CBI with a minute amount of hand moisturizer or something along those lines, i.e. needs to be cleaned, then I doubt there would be a discernible difference or the virtual would look better.

I am in no way saying this stone is as good as a CBI stone, because it's not. What I am saying is that it's no slouch, as good as a HOF (at least the one I compared it to), and for the price, it's hard to beat.