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Boo247

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Having looked at a trillion diamonds and thinking 'yes we've found it' several times, and the. Learning otherwise we are despairing.

Looking for approx 2ct cushion around $8,500 mark - one that isn't crushed ice look. More faceted. Old cuts are a fav but we know they aren't common.

Are we being ridiculous looking any more?
 

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Your budget is kind of low for the size you're looking for.
 

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I'm not sure what stats you had in mind for it, but I think the only way you are going to find one in that price range is if you give on color and clarity.

I found this one on JA for just under $8k. It has good clarity but graded K in color.
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/cushion-cut/2.01-carat-k-color-vs2-clarity-sku-375231

Do you care about size or quality? If carat weight isn't that important to you, you could get a smaller diamond with better quality in your budget. Like this: http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/cushion-cut/1.00-carat-f-color-vvs1-clarity-sku-22108
 

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Thanks. Going to J isn't a problem and doing this it's opened up some more options. Thanks. vS1 or VS2 are in the mix as well. that JA video is nice. It's so much better when you can see a video.
 

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A great alternative if you love the antique faceting is to buy an OEC and set it in a cushion shaped setting then you can get a 7mm stone for your budget and it will face up like a 2 carat cushion...once set in a ring you can't tell that it is not a cushion and you have that lovely chunky faceting:

Most of These are SI stones but all are eye clean ...why pay for higher clarity when a stone is eye clean?

http://www.jewelsbygrace.com/loose-diamonds/1-ct-to-2-00/1-36ct-old-european-cut-diamond-gia-j-vs1#.VZgAU1VViko

http://www.jewelsbygrace.com/loose-diamonds/1-ct-to-2-00/1-34ct-old-european-cut-gia-g-si2#.VZf8pFVViko

antique cushions
http://www.jewelsbygrace.com/loose-diamonds/1-ct-to-2-00/1-39ct-antique-cushion-cut-diamond-gia-j-si1#.VZf9v1VViko
http://www.jewelsbygrace.com/loose-diamonds/1-ct-to-2-00/1-31ct-antique-cushion-cut-egl-j-vs2#.VZf-mlVViko

Big and a little over budget
http://www.jewelsbygrace.com/loose-diamonds/1-ct-to-2-00/1-69ct-old-european-cut-gia-j-si2#.VZf-AlVViko
 

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Boo247|1436015549|3898836 said:
Thanks. Going to J isn't a problem and doing this it's opened up some more options. Thanks. vS1 or VS2 are in the mix as well. that JA video is nice. It's so much better when you can see a video.
SI needs to be in the mix too. You can find eye clean si stones and the $$$ benefit will be your friend
 

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What is your total budget for your ring? I would splurge on the stone and get that large 1.69...J color 7.7mm OEC and set it in a cushion halo...big white eye clean diamond. Jewels by Grace and Love Affair Diamonds are experts at picking eye clean well performing old cuts.
Also you should consider GOG...AVR's and AVC's which are awesome performers:

http://www.goodoldgold.com/ecommerce/1-36ct-j-si1-august-vintage-round-diamond.html

THis L color is sold but would also have been an option...I wouldn't go with the lower colors k/L unless they were exceptionally cut like these...a K AVR/AVC will face up white.

http://www.goodoldgold.com/ecommerce/1-63ct-l-vs2-august-vintage-round-diamond.html

Watch GOG videos on youtube....which compares color of these stones in natural light....so interesting!

As far as clarity issues...people just don't realise that in a tiny rock all that matters is the performance and that it is eye clean...even slight inclusions won't be noticed by anyone looking at your diamond. If you have a big budget and size doesn't matter then a higher clarity might be ok...but even then why pay for something you can't see?? It just never has made sense to me personally but each to his own. Bigger is better...and eye clean is eye clean.

There is a thread on PS with rounds in cushion halos...google it.

https://eshop.gabrielny.com/product/ER9891W83JJ/amavida

If you don't want a diamond halo they have metal halos too. Gabrielny has beautiful delicate settings for reasonable prices...and many local jewelers carry their line. Buy the diamond and get the setting locally.

There are no antique cut cushions on JA right now in your budget. Hard to find a 8 main cushion on JA but sometimes they are there.
Here are 3 modern cushions which you could take a look at the ASETS...my fav is the H with med. blue fl.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/cushion-cut/?CaratFrom=1.33&CaratTo=15.00&Color=K,J,I,H&PriceFrom=200&PriceTo=10200&ViewsOptions=Images&TabSelected=3&showAdvanced=show&DiamondID=552568,288643,409727,513984,558915&Polish=&Symmetry=&Lab=&Flour=&DepthFrom=45.0&DepthTo=70.5&TableFrom=50.0&TableTo=62.3

Good luck with your search.
 

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ariel144|1436024165|3898886 said:
A great alternative if you love the antique faceting is to buy an OEC and set it in a cushion shaped setting then you can get a 7mm stone for your budget and it will face up like a 2 carat cushion...once set in a ring you can't tell that it is not a cushion and you have that lovely chunky faceting:

Most of These are SI stones but all are eye clean ...why pay for higher clarity when a stone is eye clean?

http://www.jewelsbygrace.com/loose-diamonds/1-ct-to-2-00/1-36ct-old-european-cut-diamond-gia-j-vs1#.VZgAU1VViko

http://www.jewelsbygrace.com/loose-diamonds/1-ct-to-2-00/1-34ct-old-european-cut-gia-g-si2#.VZf8pFVViko

antique cushions
http://www.jewelsbygrace.com/loose-diamonds/1-ct-to-2-00/1-39ct-antique-cushion-cut-diamond-gia-j-si1#.VZf9v1VViko
http://www.jewelsbygrace.com/loose-diamonds/1-ct-to-2-00/1-31ct-antique-cushion-cut-egl-j-vs2#.VZf-mlVViko

Big and a little over budget
http://www.jewelsbygrace.com/loose-diamonds/1-ct-to-2-00/1-69ct-old-european-cut-Viko


Can you help me understand what you mean by 'cushion setting' please?
 

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I don't get why clarity doesn't matter to some, would you have a tear in your clothes or crack in your window - so why pay thousands for a diamond which has this, just because you can't see it!!!!!!!??? YOU still know it is there or are you buying for other peoples viewing?



ariel144|1436026639|3898903 said:
What is your total budget for your ring? I would splurge on the stone and get that large 1.69...J color 7.7mm OEC and set it in a cushion halo...big white eye clean diamond. Jewels by Grace and Love Affair Diamonds are experts at picking eye clean well performing old cuts.
Also you should consider GOG...AVR's and AVC's which are awesome performers:

http://www.goodoldgold.com/ecommerce/1-36ct-j-si1-august-vintage-round-diamond.html

THis L color is sold but would also have been an option...I wouldn't go with the lower colors k/L unless they were exceptionally cut like these...a K AVR/AVC will face up white.

http://www.goodoldgold.com/ecommerce/1-63ct-l-vs2-august-vintage-round-diamond.html

Watch GOG videos on youtube....which compares color of these stones in natural light....so interesting!

As far as clarity issues...people just don't realise that in a tiny rock all that matters is the performance and that it is eye clean...even slight inclusions won't be noticed by anyone looking at your diamond. If you have a big budget and size doesn't matter then a higher clarity might be ok...but even then why pay for something you can't see?? It just never has made sense to me personally but each to his own. Bigger is better...and eye clean is eye clean.

There is a thread on PS with rounds in cushion halos...google it.






https://eshop.gabrielny.com/product/ER9891W83JJ/amavida

If you don't want a diamond halo they have metal halos too. Gabrielny has beautiful delicate settings for reasonable prices...and many local jewelers carry their line. Buy the diamond and get the setting locally.

There are no antique cut cushions on JA right now in your budget. Hard to find a 8 main cushion on JA but sometimes they are there.
Here are 3 modern cushions which you could take a look at the ASETS...my fav is the H with med. blue fl.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/cushion-cut/?CaratFrom=1.33&CaratTo=15.00&Color=K,J,I,H&PriceFrom=200&PriceTo=10200&ViewsOptions=Images&TabSelected=3&showAdvanced=show&DiamondID=552568,288643,409727,513984,558915&Polish=&Symmetry=&Lab=&Flour=&DepthFrom=45.0&DepthTo=70.5&TableFrom=50.0&TableTo=62.3

Good luck with your search.
 

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Pyramid|1436040599|3898978 said:
I don't get why clarity doesn't matter to some, would you have a tear in your clothes or crack in your window - so why pay thousands for a diamond which has this, just because you can't see it!!!!!!!??? YOU still know it is there or are you buying for other peoples viewing?



ariel144|1436026639|3898903 said:
What is your total budget for your ring? I would splurge on the stone and get that large 1.69...J color 7.7mm OEC and set it in a cushion halo...big white eye clean diamond. Jewels by Grace and Love Affair Diamonds are experts at picking eye clean well performing old cuts.
Also you should consider GOG...AVR's and AVC's which are awesome performers:

http://www.goodoldgold.com/ecommerce/1-36ct-j-si1-august-vintage-round-diamond.html

THis L color is sold but would also have been an option...I wouldn't go with the lower colors k/L unless they were exceptionally cut like these...a K AVR/AVC will face up white.

http://www.goodoldgold.com/ecommerce/1-63ct-l-vs2-august-vintage-round-diamond.html

Watch GOG videos on youtube....which compares color of these stones in natural light....so interesting!

As far as clarity issues...people just don't realise that in a tiny rock all that matters is the performance and that it is eye clean...even slight inclusions won't be noticed by anyone looking at your diamond. If you have a big budget and size doesn't matter then a higher clarity might be ok...but even then why pay for something you can't see?? It just never has made sense to me personally but each to his own. Bigger is better...and eye clean is eye clean.

There is a thread on PS with rounds in cushion halos...google it.






https://eshop.gabrielny.com/product/ER9891W83JJ/amavida

If you don't want a diamond halo they have metal halos too. Gabrielny has beautiful delicate settings for reasonable prices...and many local jewelers carry their line. Buy the diamond and get the setting locally.

There are no antique cut cushions on JA right now in your budget. Hard to find a 8 main cushion on JA but sometimes they are there.
Here are 3 modern cushions which you could take a look at the ASETS...my fav is the H with med. blue fl.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/cushion-cut/?CaratFrom=1.33&CaratTo=15.00&Color=K,J,I,H&PriceFrom=200&PriceTo=10200&ViewsOptions=Images&TabSelected=3&showAdvanced=show&DiamondID=552568,288643,409727,513984,558915&Polish=&Symmetry=&Lab=&Flour=&DepthFrom=45.0&DepthTo=70.5&TableFrom=50.0&TableTo=62.3

Good luck with your search.
I guess to each their own, but if a vvs2 had an inclusion you can't see or a si1 has an inclusion you can't see, I really seen no reason to spend more for the vvs2.

And would I wear a dress with a tear in it if bo one including myself could see it (like the lining or something) yes I sure would. Especially if it was lovely and a good deal becuase of it.
 

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Niel|1436041880|3898991 said:
Pyramid|1436040599|3898978 said:
I don't get why clarity doesn't matter to some, would you have a tear in your clothes or crack in your window - so why pay thousands for a diamond which has this, just because you can't see it!!!!!!!??? YOU still know it is there or are you buying for other peoples viewing?
G


ariel144|1436026639|3898903 said:
What is your total budget for your ring? I would splurge on the stone and get that large 1.69...J color 7.7mm OEC and set it in a cushion halo...big white eye clean diamond. Jewels by Grace and Love Affair Diamonds are experts at picking eye clean well performing old cuts.
Also you should consider GOG...AVR's and AVC's which are awesome performers:

http://www.goodoldgold.com/ecommerce/1-36ct-j-si1-august-vintage-round-diamond.html

THis L color is sold but would also have been an option...I wouldn't go with the lower colors k/L unless they were exceptionally cut like these...a K AVR/AVC will face up white.

http://www.goodoldgold.com/ecommerce/1-63ct-l-vs2-august-vintage-round-diamond.html

Watch GOG videos on youtube....which compares color of these stones in natural light....so interesting!

As far as clarity issues...people just don't realise that in a tiny rock all that matters is the performance and that it is eye clean...even slight inclusions won't be noticed by anyone looking at your diamond. If you have a big budget and size doesn't matter then a higher clarity might be ok...but even then why pay for something you can't see?? It just never has made sense to me personally but each to his own. Bigger is better...and eye clean is eye clean.

There is a thread on PS with rounds in cushion halos...google it.






https://eshop.gabrielny.com/product/ER9891W83JJ/amavida

If you don't want a diamond halo they have metal halos too. Gabrielny has beautiful delicate settings for reasonable prices...and many local jewelers carry their line. Buy the diamond and get the setting locally.

There are no antique cut cushions on JA right now in your budget. Hard to find a 8 main cushion on JA but sometimes they are there.
Here are 3 modern cushions which you could take a look at the ASETS...my fav is the H with med. blue fl.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/cushion-cut/?CaratFrom=1.33&CaratTo=15.00&Color=K,J,I,H&PriceFrom=200&PriceTo=10200&ViewsOptions=Images&TabSelected=3&showAdvanced=show&DiamondID=552568,288643,409727,513984,558915&Polish=&Symmetry=&Lab=&Flour=&DepthFrom=45.0&DepthTo=70.5&TableFrom=50.0&TableTo=62.3

Good luck with your search.
I guess to each their own, but if a vvs2 had an inclusion you can't see or a si1 has an inclusion you can't see, I really seen no reason to spend more for the vvs2.

And would I wear a dress with a tear in it if bo one including myself could see it (like the lining or something) yes I sure would. Especially if it was lovely and a good deal becuase of it.


The VVS 2 could be more durable and less likely to break or chip though. So if the VVS2 would last 30 years more than the SI1, I don't know. I have no VVS stones but the durability thing makes people and me want higher clarity.
 

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Pyramid|1436045792|3899013 said:
Niel|1436041880|3898991 said:
Pyramid|1436040599|3898978 said:
I don't get why clarity doesn't matter to some, would you have a tear in your clothes or crack in your window - so why pay thousands for a diamond which has this, just because you can't see it!!!!!!!??? YOU still know it is there or are you buying for other peoples viewing?
G


ariel144|1436026639|3898903 said:
What is your total budget for your ring? I would splurge on the stone and get that large 1.69...J color 7.7mm OEC and set it in a cushion halo...big white eye clean diamond. Jewels by Grace and Love Affair Diamonds are experts at picking eye clean well performing old cuts.
Also you should consider GOG...AVR's and AVC's which are awesome performers:

http://www.goodoldgold.com/ecommerce/1-36ct-j-si1-august-vintage-round-diamond.html

THis L color is sold but would also have been an option...I wouldn't go with the lower colors k/L unless they were exceptionally cut like these...a K AVR/AVC will face up white.

http://www.goodoldgold.com/ecommerce/1-63ct-l-vs2-august-vintage-round-diamond.html

Watch GOG videos on youtube....which compares color of these stones in natural light....so interesting!

As far as clarity issues...people just don't realise that in a tiny rock all that matters is the performance and that it is eye clean...even slight inclusions won't be noticed by anyone looking at your diamond. If you have a big budget and size doesn't matter then a higher clarity might be ok...but even then why pay for something you can't see?? It just never has made sense to me personally but each to his own. Bigger is better...and eye clean is eye clean.

There is a thread on PS with rounds in cushion halos...google it.






https://eshop.gabrielny.com/product/ER9891W83JJ/amavida

If you don't want a diamond halo they have metal halos too. Gabrielny has beautiful delicate settings for reasonable prices...and many local jewelers carry their line. Buy the diamond and get the setting locally.

There are no antique cut cushions on JA right now in your budget. Hard to find a 8 main cushion on JA but sometimes they are there.
Here are 3 modern cushions which you could take a look at the ASETS...my fav is the H with med. blue fl.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/cushion-cut/?CaratFrom=1.33&CaratTo=15.00&Color=K,J,I,H&PriceFrom=200&PriceTo=10200&ViewsOptions=Images&TabSelected=3&showAdvanced=show&DiamondID=552568,288643,409727,513984,558915&Polish=&Symmetry=&Lab=&Flour=&DepthFrom=45.0&DepthTo=70.5&TableFrom=50.0&TableTo=62.3

Good luck with your search.
I guess to each their own, but if a vvs2 had an inclusion you can't see or a si1 has an inclusion you can't see, I really seen no reason to spend more for the vvs2.

And would I wear a dress with a tear in it if bo one including myself could see it (like the lining or something) yes I sure would. Especially if it was lovely and a good deal becuase of it.


The VVS 2 could be more durable and less likely to break or chip though. So if the VVS2 would last 30 years more than the SI1, I don't know. I have no VVS stones but the durability thing makes people and me want higher clarity.


Could be....could not be. If you're concerned, look for si stones that don't have inclusions you find unwelcome.

But again to each their own. But its just as easy to say "I don't see why people want low clarity." As it is to say "I don't know why people want high clarity." Seems just about preferences and priorities.

Also, I have always found this interesting

John Pollard|1285521051|2720903 said:
A VS feather won't be a concern if graded by a top lab. For that matter, even in lower clarities, finished diamonds are subjected to so much pressure and friction in the manufacturing process that they turn red-hot on the polishing wheel. Normal wear won't come close to what they've already been through... With that said, every diamond is different and it's always good to check the particulars to verify that all is well, especially as you go lower in clarity.

More important than feather warnings, I encourage consumers to remember that every diamond has cleavage planes as part of its crystal structure. Although they are the hardest natural substance, a knock the wrong way, particularly at the girdle, can cause a diamond to chip along an internal octahedral plane. This goes for any diamond. That's why having a good insurance policy is important.
 

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Pyramid|1436040599|3898978 said:
I don't get why clarity doesn't matter to some, would you have a tear in your clothes or crack in your window - so why pay thousands for a diamond which has this, just because you can't see it!!!!!!!??? YOU still know it is there or are you buying for other peoples viewing?

PYRAMID...Like I, stated it matters to some...your analogy is like comparing apples to zebras. Slight inclusions in diamonds RARELY affect their stability...diamonds are very hard and sturdy, as you should know. They rarely crack when being cut and polished. If you would educate yourself they do not affect the quality as far as stability of setting the stone in jewelry or wearing for years...centuries. Educate yourself. An IF, VVS stone is not more sturdy and long lasting than a SI2 in most diamonds. A feather (which is actually an internal crack) can cause problems if it reaches the surface, But if not and it is white may not affect the stones performance or durability.

Your statement makes me laugh. Go ahead and spend thousands more for a tiny stone that can barely be seen much less the inclusions..LOL... if that is your preference...go for it. Educate, educate educate yourself, it will save you thousands. You should be more concerned with the perfection of the cutting than the perfection of the diamond material....they are all a 10 in hardness. If the stone is highly included it can affect it's performance, so each stone needs to be judged individually with it's clarity issues.

You need to quit attempting to put your personal opinion on this OP who is trying to find a 2c well cut diamond on a budget.
There are even relatively eye clean I1 stones...rare but if you can find one they are a bargain. As are well cut J colored diamonds which can face up nice and white. GOG has had some I1's AVR/AVC's and shows them on video...and SI2's and next to a VVS and VS stones they perform just as well because the cut is outstanding. CUT is king...not clarity my dear.

One can purchase an IF stone that is poorly cut and it WILL be out performed by an excellent cut SI2.

Like I stated, to some it matters. It obviously matters to you. Erica and Grace feature beautiful old cuts that are SI1/SI2 and many are 100% eye clean. They are highly respected vendors on PS and offer very nice stones on a budget. I'm sure this OP could care less if you prefer an IF internally flawless diamond.




ariel144|1436026639|3898903 said:
What is your total budget for your ring? I would splurge on the stone and get that large 1.69...J color 7.7mm OEC and set it in a cushion halo...big white eye clean diamond. Jewels by Grace and Love Affair Diamonds are experts at picking eye clean well performing old cuts.
Also you should consider GOG...AVR's and AVC's which are awesome performers:

http://www.goodoldgold.com/ecommerce/1-36ct-j-si1-august-vintage-round-diamond.html

THis L color is sold but would also have been an option...I wouldn't go with the lower colors k/L unless they were exceptionally cut like these...a K AVR/AVC will face up white.

http://www.goodoldgold.com/ecommerce/1-63ct-l-vs2-august-vintage-round-diamond.html

Watch GOG videos on youtube....which compares color of these stones in natural light....so interesting!

As far as clarity issues...people just don't realise that in a tiny rock all that matters is the performance and that it is eye clean...even slight inclusions won't be noticed by anyone looking at your diamond. If you have a big budget and size doesn't matter then a higher clarity might be ok...but even then why pay for something you can't see?? It just never has made sense to me personally but each to his own. Bigger is better...and eye clean is eye clean.

There is a thread on PS with rounds in cushion halos...google it.






https://eshop.gabrielny.com/product/ER9891W83JJ/amavida

If you don't want a diamond halo they have metal halos too. Gabrielny has beautiful delicate settings for reasonable prices...and many local jewelers carry their line. Buy the diamond and get the setting locally.

There are no antique cut cushions on JA right now in your budget. Hard to find a 8 main cushion on JA but sometimes they are there.
Here are 3 modern cushions which you could take a look at the ASETS...my fav is the H with med. blue fl.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/cushion-cut/?CaratFrom=1.33&CaratTo=15.00&Color=K,J,I,H&PriceFrom=200&PriceTo=10200&ViewsOptions=Images&TabSelected=3&showAdvanced=show&DiamondID=552568,288643,409727,513984,558915&Polish=&Symmetry=&Lab=&Flour=&DepthFrom=45.0&DepthTo=70.5&TableFrom=50.0&TableTo=62.3

Good luck with your search.
 

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Boo247|1436029045|3898915 said:
Thanks. Which 1.69 did you mean?

This one...sorry the link got cut off...it's over budget but 7.7mm...getting close to the look of a 3 carat cushion:

http://www.jewelsbygrace.com/loose-diamonds/1-ct-to-2-00/1-69ct-old-european-cut-gia-j-si2#.VZhb2VVViko

(Please note that GIA graded this stone as a "round brilliant" not as an old cut which affected it's cut grade.
Interesting in the "Comments" it says "COMMENTS....Pinpoints are not shown. Cut grade affected by brillianteering."
I've never seen that comment before..."cut grade affected by brillianteering"...LOL you learn something new every
day.)

there are many cushion shaped settings that you can put a round diamond in...like this one:

https://eshop.gabrielny.com/product/ER9891W83JJ/amavida

That is IF you want a square cushion shape ring...if you want an elongated cushion shape you will have to buy a cushion diamond but if you want the square shape then you can set a round chunky OEC in the square shaped setting and have the same effect....because of the square shape of the halo.
 

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Here is a video of an OEC set in a cushion halo.

Get this OEC is an I1...it is a 1.04 G I1 clarity...LOL Can you see the inclusions in this macro lense blow up???

NOTE...the double claw prongs in the corners help to enhance the square shape.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceIgxYV0nxE

Nice ring...they sold it immediately, but you can see the effect of a chunky faceted round being made to have a cushion shape by the setting style.

Here is another example but this time a sub-halo. The 2620 is more pricey than GabrielNY but very popular.

tacori 2620 set with OEC (cushion shaped sub-halo)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVfTy9svRWc

A picture is worth a thousand words. This is just another option that most cushion lovers don't think of. I love cushion cuts ...they were my favorite cut before I saw the old cut rounds.
 

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I have a large ideal diamond and do not need to buy a diamond I cannot see which is internally flawless. I paid a lot for it and you do not get the same diamond for less even if you rubbish high clarity. Would you like to buy something and have people tell others something for a fraction of the price is just as good.

As Neill put it, I can't see why some buy low clarity diamonds.



Brillianteering is also called painting and digging, see I have educated myself in diamonds. Heavily painted diamonds were thought by some experts and appraisers on here to be the best cut diamond. The brand no longer exists and is the reason the ACA 2 diamonds were discontinued - because GIA penalised some say overly ALL painting in its excellent cut grade. Any diamond with brillianteering comment is not a GIA XXX.
 

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Pyramid|1436094981|3899166 said:
I have a large ideal diamond and do not need to buy a diamond I cannot see which is internally flawless. I paid a lot for it and you do not get the same diamond for less even if you rubbish high clarity. Would you like to buy something and have people tell others something for a fraction of the price is just as good.

As Neill put it, I can't see why some buy low clarity diamonds.



Brillianteering is also called painting and digging, see I have educated myself in diamonds. Heavily painted diamonds were thought by some experts and appraisers on here to be the best cut diamond. The brand no longer exists and is the reason the ACA 2 diamonds were discontinued - because GIA penalised some say overly ALL painting in its excellent cut grade. Any diamond with brillianteering comment is not a GIA XXX.


I will not question your knowledge on diamonds. What, I will say, is sometime inappropriate is your need for others to conform to your thinking. You can not understand - or choose not to understand - why people choose lower color or lower clarity diamonds. This is your right of course and is akin to other posters on PS and their believe that only the top top TOP cut is acceptable. What I think all of us as posters should remember is though it's appropriate to voice our opinions, no one is required to agree or heed them. If they don't it doesn't mean they are wrong and you are right. Hold your belief, if others don't, then they just don't.
 

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Yes I agree, point taken Niel.

Not excusing myself but there are far more people here on the opposite opinion of me, who are voicing all the time, everyday, not just Aerial 44, that you can buy a large, low color diamond, low clarity and no one will see a difference, maybe so, but those who care for the opposite can see a difference especially in large diamonds. What we can't see we care about just as much too.

Why is it okay to have the opposite view on here? I know it's more popular.
 

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I'll come back and post more soon but just wanted to say we are looking at solitaires not a halo. Your various comments about inclusions etc is really interesting. We are off researching those links you've all shared so thank you for helping us see we are not at a dead end! I will update soon for those interested and thanks again everyone so far.
 

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Pyramid|1436105048|3899188 said:
Yes I agree, point taken Niel.

Not excusing myself but there are far more people here on the opposite opinion of me, who are voicing all the time, everyday, not just Aerial 44, that you can buy a large, low color diamond, low clarity and no one will see a difference, maybe so, but those who care for the opposite can see a difference especially in large diamonds. What we can't see we care about just as much too.

Why is it okay to have the opposite view on here? I know it's more popular.

Dear Pyramid,

Your view is opposite but also uninformed. That is the point. Some long time PSrs want their diamonds "mind clean" as you do. That is a term PSrs use because clarity is important to them personally and they KNOW that it doesn't really matter to the beauty of the diamond, and that CUT IS KING, not clarity or color. Many long time PSrs won't go any lower in color than G/H/I because they do not enjoy seeing any color in their stone, even from the side. A well cut diamond of a lower color can face up very white and only when viewed from the side do you see a hint of color. So in that respect everyone has their preferences....and some want icy white...etc etc.

So in this thread, this OP wants a 2c cushion for $8,500 which is unrealistic unless they can find a well cut lower color/clarity stone under 2c that faces up as large as a 2c cushion because it is not as deep as most cushions these days. Once on JA there was a 1.66 K color IF cushion for $6,600. It was an 8 main cushion brilliant with an amazing facet pattern and faced up 7mm x 7mm the size of a 2c cushion AND had a great ASET. Gypsie and I kept featuring it on threads of anyone looking for a cushion on a budget. The gemologist stated that it was an high K color and great performing stone...after months someone finally bought it. It wasn't the IF clarity that was amazing on this stone but the great cut..facet pattern that is so RARE in cushion cuts these days. They are literally a needle in a haystack.

Newbies on this forum are the ones we try to educate that cut is King...not an high color and high clarity. It is a very difficult concept to instill in those who have not taken the time to research this at length. After watching hundreds of videos on GOG website comparing precision cut diamonds of low color to lesser cut diamonds with higher color the point is proven to the eye of the beholder. An excellent cut low color stone can out perform and be brighter than an higher colored stone that is not as well cut.

After reading many testimonies in here of ppl who have lower colored precision cut diamonds and comparing their rings to others with D/E/FG/H color and their "measly" J/K/L/M/N colors out performed and were brighter diamonds than their friends....Yes search the long thread entitled "N Color Nervous"...when she took her N colored AVR to work and there was a girl at work with an XXX MRB H colored diamond ...all the girls were comparing the N AVR to and they were all amazed at how bright and beautiful her N AVR was compared to the other girls H. That girl with the H MRB looked very disappointed as her diamond was not as great as she thought it was in comparison.

Another testimony from a girl who was in a GIA class and had an N or O colored AVR and not one of the students in that gemologist class could guess the color of her stone.

The public is so wrong in their belief that high color and clarity make the most beautiful diamonds...it is such a huge fallacy but the industry thrives on that concept and thus we have thousands of poorly cut stones because that is where the money is. Sales ppl in the retail market have no clue...that is why this forum is here to educate the public on what REALLY makes a beautiful diamond...and it is NOT the color and clarity...a poorly cut stone will show more color than an excellent cut stone of the same color, yes and even a lower colored well cut stone. Yes low clarity can affect the performance of the stone but sometimes it will not IF the stone is well cut and each stone has to be judged on an individual basis when the clarity is an issue.

For all these reasons one can actually find the BEST diamond for their budget if they use the tried and tested vendors on this site because they DO CARE about selling only the best cut diamonds, best performing diamonds.

Brian Gavin tries to educate the public on blue flourescence because the public "thinks" fl. is bad....rarely does fl. affect the clarity of a diamond, but ppl don't know that because the retail sales ppl tell them that fl. is BAD...NOT! It is great because in certain lighting the diamond shows a blue hue which adds personality to the stone...and naturally blue diamonds are the most rare color and most expensive color to buy. Thus most PSrs prefer blue fl. in their diamond.

I assume you are rather new to this forum or you have not researched this at length. But sad to say, even though the public come in here for help in choosing a great stone many do not listen to the experts...of which I am NOT one, but try and help educate newbies that surprise surprise...cut IS KING...and color and clarity don't really have that much affect on the beauty of a diamond.

Hope this helps to change your thinking some, and maybe to bend when attempting to help someone one who wants a large stone on a tight budget.
 

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Boo247|1436106874|3899193 said:
I'll come back and post more soon but just wanted to say we are looking at solitaires not a halo. Your various comments about inclusions etc is really interesting. We are off researching those links you've all shared so thank you for helping us see we are not at a dead end! I will update soon for those interested and thanks again everyone so far.

Since you want to put it in a solitaire setting, I would suggest you call GOG, Victor Canera, Brilliantly Engaged, Leon Mege who specialize in chunky cut cushions to help you find what you are looking for.

Also Old World Diamonds, Love Affair Diamonds, and Jewels by Grace...all who specialize in real antique cut cushions which usually come in at a lower price than newly cut antique faceted cushions.

Any of these vendors will have stones not listed on their websites and might just have that well cut J...SI stone that will face up large for it's size to put in a solitaire for you. Many antique cushions on PS are K and L colored as well and can be very lovely.

If you are patient and persistant you can find a cushion close to 7mm x 7mm that will fit your budget, but most likely not at a brick and mortar unless you can luck into an estate piece locally.

When looking for a well cut cushion the measurements are usually in the mid 60% in depth and mid 50% for the table and a 6 or 8 main faceting on the report. Modified Brilliants usually will not have the antique faceting that you are wanting. The smaller the table the higher the crown and you get that pillowy look to your cushion which is very desireable.

I suggest you watch GOG videos on cushion cut diamonds to further educate yourself. Since they put up their new site I can't find their videos there...I have to go to youtube which doesn't have all their videos. But call and ask how to view all their Vimeo ones too.

Hope this helps.
 

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Hi Boo :wavey:

I'm just gonna put up this stone again in case it gets lost in the wash with the volume of the previous comments. This stone is only 1 tenth of a cm smaller than the typical 7mm x 7mm 2ct cushion, it's gorgeously clear, and it's a J color - meaning it's still in the category of 'near colorless'. My understanding is that - although you enjoy old cut stones, you specifically don't want a crushed ice stone. The stone I'm linking to is all the things you said you want, but, as 1.7ct, is comfortably within your budget. For what it's worth, it does also have GIA Excellent grade polish and symmetry, and I think the faceting is gorgeous.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/cushion-cut/1.70-carat-j-color-vvs1-clarity-sku-409727

Good luck!
 

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mrs-blop|1436119027|3899222 said:
Hi Boo :wavey:

I'm just gonna put up this stone again in case it gets lost in the wash with the volume of the previous comments. This stone is only 1 tenth of a cm smaller than the typical 7mm x 7mm 2ct cushion, it's gorgeously clear, and it's a J color - meaning it's still in the category of 'near colorless'. My understanding is that - although you enjoy old cut stones, you specifically don't want a crushed ice stone. The stone I'm linking to is all the things you said you want, but, as 1.7ct, is comfortably within your budget. For what it's worth, it does also have GIA Excellent grade polish and symmetry, and I think the faceting is gorgeous.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/cushion-cut/1.70-carat-j-color-vvs1-clarity-sku-409727

Good luck!

That's quite lovely.
 

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Pyramid|1436094981|3899166 said:
I have a large ideal diamond and do not need to buy a diamond I cannot see which is internally flawless. I paid a lot for it and you do not get the same diamond for less even if you rubbish high clarity. Would you like to buy something and have people tell others something for a fraction of the price is just as good.

As Neill put it, I can't see why some buy low clarity diamonds.



Brillianteering is also called painting and digging, see I have educated myself in diamonds. Heavily painted diamonds were thought by some experts and appraisers on here to be the best cut diamond. The brand no longer exists and is the reason the ACA 2 diamonds were discontinued - because GIA penalised some say overly ALL painting in its excellent cut grade. Any diamond with brillianteering comment is not a GIA XXX.

Pyramid that is your blessing that you can afford a large, IF, high color, well cut diamond....all are not so blessed and because of lack of knowledge they end up with a poorly cut high color/clarity stone that doesn't perform so well. a 5-6mm stone is so very small and about 1c in weight. If a person wants a larger diamond they may be willing to get a lower color J which is still in the near colorless range and sacrifice some clarity if it is eyeclean, as long as the cut is a precision cut stone. Some prefer smaller diamond so that it is "mind clean"...it only matters what is important to them.

All MRB GIA XXX are not created equal ...some perform better than others. But you probably know that.

Your comment on brillianteering is interesting but confusing to me so I will have to research it to get a better understanding.
 

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mrs-blop|1436119027|3899222 said:
Hi Boo :wavey:

I'm just gonna put up this stone again in case it gets lost in the wash with the volume of the previous comments. This stone is only 1 tenth of a cm smaller than the typical 7mm x 7mm 2ct cushion, it's gorgeously clear, and it's a J color - meaning it's still in the category of 'near colorless'. My understanding is that - although you enjoy old cut stones, you specifically don't want a crushed ice stone. The stone I'm linking to is all the things you said you want, but, as 1.7ct, is comfortably within your budget. For what it's worth, it does also have GIA Excellent grade polish and symmetry, and I think the faceting is gorgeous.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/cushion-cut/1.70-carat-j-color-vvs1-clarity-sku-409727

Good luck!

Yes posted that J too along with 2 other modified cushions on JA...it is definitely a beautiful stone. Would be interested to see the ASET. JA used to have more cushion brilliants but the don't have any now that I could find. Sad for those wanting the antique faceting.

I also liked this H VS stone with med. blue fl. It is more rectangular but would look great set E/W
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/cushion-cut/1.61-carat-h-color-vs2-clarity-sku-558915
 
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