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Would republicans rather vote for Trump or Clinton?

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Dancing Fire|1456968365|3998839 said:
I want to vote for Clinton, but I don't want 4 more yrs of Obama policies if she leans a little bit towards the middle then she would get my vote.
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kenny|1456959241|3998756 said:
I totally understand disliking both and writing in a name.

But that passes up your chance to make your vote count.
Only the D and R candidates have any chance of winning.

IMO instead of writing in a name you should vote AGAINST who you feel is the worse major candidate.

A write in is a wasted vote unless you truly feel that both viable choices are equally bad.
Feeling they are equally bad is very unlikely.

I feel the same way, Kenny.
 

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What a choice that would be- I'd have a very hard time voting for either. Unfortunately, I'm not too fond of Cruz or Rubio either and I know I'm not alone.

Sooooo, I'm kind of wondering why Mitt Romney came out with his very vocal criticism of Trump today. Mitt's a really smart guy, so I think he's trying to stop Trump's momentum before he gets the required number of delegates. That would probably mean no one would have enough delegates. And this would leave the nomination wide open at the Republican convention. Could there be a possibility that Romney would be put up rather than any of the present candidates? I've heard a couple of rumors about the possibility. I would definitely vote for him!
 

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I do think I dislike them equally so this will be really hard. I wouldn't bother to write in a name since I do think that is a waste. I will have to pick or just not vote at all.
 

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packrat|1456964360|3998800 said:
They both are the worst possible candidates, other than say..Cthulhu or the fricken Chupacabra, so I will vote against both of them, for the good of the country. Other people can vote to ruin the country, my hands are clean and my mind will be clean- and I fully believe both of them will do that-just in different ways. We need a do over. Seriously.

That means you do not get to complain ... for four years. ;(

Whydoncha flip a coin?

Then, since America's going down the toilet if either C or T is elected, you have a 50% chance of getting to complain. :mrgreen:
 

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kenny|1457055090|3999377 said:
packrat|1456964360|3998800 said:
They both are the worst possible candidates, other than say..Cthulhu or the fricken Chupacabra, so I will vote against both of them, for the good of the country. Other people can vote to ruin the country, my hands are clean and my mind will be clean- and I fully believe both of them will do that-just in different ways. We need a do over. Seriously.

That means you do not get to complain ... for four years. ;(

Whydoncha flip a coin?

Then, since America's going down the toilet if either C or T is elected, you have a 50% chance of getting to complain. :mrgreen:

Mmmmm I kinda think my mind will be clear and I *can* complain b/c I will vote for neither-but I'll still vote. I'm not abstaining and then turning around and whining about it. I will have 100% chance to complain. I will not contribute to electing either of them. I will stand up and say I have no faith in either of them. I'll not be a party to it. I consider it a waste to cast my vote *for* someone in order to go *against* someone else. If I am going to vote *for* someone, I am going to vote *for* that person b/c I feel they're better for the job at hand.
 

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So I am not a registered Republican but neither am I a registered Democrat but I will answer this question.

I would rather vote for Clinton despite the fact I dislike her intensely. I feel she will do less harm than Trump who is volatile, unpredictable and if we were to believe half of what he says is true we would be in quite the pickle should he become President.

Having said that I do worry what will happen when/if Hellary (LOL Love that thanks JoCoJenn :lol: ) Clinton becomes President but in this case I do think it is the lesser of 2 evils.

Now I could very well be wrong and again only in hindsight (and maybe not since we won't be able to predict what would happen if Trump had become President) will we be able to guess if the right decision was made. But as of now I am dead set against Trump. I believe he is a dangerous person to become President of the USA.

Why oh why can't we get someone who is (somewhat at least) ethical and sensible and smart to run for President. Why are we stuck with such horrible candidates? I know most elections many of us feel that way but in this election it has never been more true. IMO. :cry:
 

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missy|1457095039|3999589 said:
So I am not a registered Republican but neither am I a registered Democrat but I will answer this question.

I would rather vote for Clinton despite the fact I dislike her intensely. I feel she will do less harm than Trump who is volatile, unpredictable and if we were to believe half of what he says is true we would be in quite the pickle should he become President.

Having said that I do worry what will happen when/if Hellary (LOL Love that thanks JoCoJenn :lol: ) Clinton becomes President but in this case I do think it is the lesser of 2 evils.

Now I could very well be wrong and again only in hindsight (and maybe not since we won't be able to predict what would happen if Trump had become President) will we be able to guess if the right decision was made. But as of now I am dead set against Trump. I believe he is a dangerous person to become President of the USA.

Why oh why can't we get someone who is (somewhat at least) ethical and sensible and smart to run for President. Why are we stuck with such horrible candidates? I know most elections many of us feel that way but in this election it has never been more true. IMO. :cry:

Yes, dismissing Trump's outrageously racist stances as something he's just tossing as red meat to the plebs, and isn't something he truly believes or would attempt to act on if elected, is very dangerous, if historical precedent is any guide. Better to think he really IS that guy.

Clip.
http://news.yahoo.com/york-times-first-ever-adolf-194100254.html

Whole page it's clipped from.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/times-insider/2015/02/10/1922-hitler-in-bavaria/?referer=
 

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missy|1457095039|3999589 said:
So I am not a registered Republican but neither am I a registered Democrat but I will answer this question.

I would rather vote for Clinton despite the fact I dislike her intensely. I feel she will do less harm than Trump who is volatile, unpredictable and if we were to believe half of what he says is true we would be in quite the pickle should he become President.

Having said that I do worry what will happen when/if Hellary (LOL Love that thanks JoCoJenn :lol: ) Clinton becomes President but in this case I do think it is the lesser of 2 evils.

Now I could very well be wrong and again only in hindsight (and maybe not since we won't be able to predict what would happen if Trump had become President) will we be able to guess if the right decision was made. But as of now I am dead set against Trump. I believe he is a dangerous person to become President of the USA.

Why oh why can't we get someone who is (somewhat at least) ethical and sensible and smart to run for President. Why are we stuck with such horrible candidates? I know most elections many of us feel that way but in this election it has never been more true. IMO. :cry:

A deep dive into that would take days, but right now the thing that comes to mind as the main reason for the problem, at least in the Republican party, is the extremist wing of the party, is big enough to drive anyone with a modicum of sense, OUT. They've been doing it for years now. The old cross-the-aisle guys who knew how to make compromises are about gone, and the ones that are left are cowed into submission. Compromise, the very basis of our government, is now seen as a defeat, rather than pragmatic or sensible. The other side is cast as evil, truly EVIL, making opposing them at every turn a moral imperative. And a lot of the electorate thinks that way too, or else Trump would not be the frontrunner. I'm truly amazed at how many people are that desperate for an authoritarian strongman, but it seems to be the case.

Hillary, well she has baggage for sure, but to cast her as unable to compromise or not sensible, would be incorrect. If anything she is TOO pragmatic and swings right when the pressures become too great, just like Bill. Sanders is that ethical person, and in spite of campaign promises, knows he won't get a quarter of what he says he wants to do. His mistake was calling himself a socialist of any stripe. He should have been calling himself a social democrat, because he is a New Deal Democrat who would have been completely unremarkable in the 1930's. The fact that he is seen as extreme today, shows just how far to the right the country has moved, and how little history most actually know.

Oops. Outta time - gotta dash!
 

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ksinger|1457096344|3999605 said:
missy|1457095039|3999589 said:
So I am not a registered Republican but neither am I a registered Democrat but I will answer this question.

I would rather vote for Clinton despite the fact I dislike her intensely. I feel she will do less harm than Trump who is volatile, unpredictable and if we were to believe half of what he says is true we would be in quite the pickle should he become President.

Having said that I do worry what will happen when/if Hellary (LOL Love that thanks JoCoJenn :lol: ) Clinton becomes President but in this case I do think it is the lesser of 2 evils.

Now I could very well be wrong and again only in hindsight (and maybe not since we won't be able to predict what would happen if Trump had become President) will we be able to guess if the right decision was made. But as of now I am dead set against Trump. I believe he is a dangerous person to become President of the USA.

Why oh why can't we get someone who is (somewhat at least) ethical and sensible and smart to run for President. Why are we stuck with such horrible candidates? I know most elections many of us feel that way but in this election it has never been more true. IMO. :cry:

A deep dive into that would take days, but right now the thing that comes to mind as the main reason for the problem, at least in the Republican party, is the extremist wing of the party, is big enough to drive anyone with a modicum of sense, OUT. They've been doing it for years now. The old cross-the-aisle guys who knew how to make compromises are about gone, and the ones that are left are cowed into submission. Compromise, the very basis of our government, is now seen as a defeat, rather than pragmatic or sensible. The other side is cast as evil, truly EVIL, making opposing them at every turn a moral imperative. And a lot of the electorate thinks that way too, or else Trump would not be the frontrunner. I'm truly amazed at how many people are that desperate for an authoritarian strongman, but it seems to be the case.

Hillary, well she has baggage for sure, but to cast her as unable to compromise or not sensible, would be incorrect. If anything she is TOO pragmatic and swings right when the pressures become too great, just like Bill. Sanders is that ethical person, and in spite of campaign promises, knows he won't get a quarter of what he says he wants to do. His mistake was calling himself a socialist of any stripe. He should have been calling himself a social democrat, because he is a New Deal Democrat who would have been completely unremarkable in the 1930's. The fact that he is seen as extreme today, shows just how far to the right the country has moved, and how little history most actually know.

Oops. Outta time - gotta dash!


Yes I agree with you especially about Sanders. Most people do not get the difference b/w a socialist and a social democrat which he definitely is. He is the more ethical and sensible choice but even if he were to get the democratic nomination I fear Trump might win over him due to the fear of becoming a socialist country. That article you linked (in another thread I think...so many similar threads recently on PS I am getting confused though these days it doesn't take much to confuse me) shows Sander's position very clearly as well as where we are as a country. We are not the capitalist society one might think we are and instead are operating on a much diluted form of capitalism these days.

I too am amazed at how many are supporting Trump and it is because of the general unhappiness and unrest we as a people are feeling in this country. It is too bad that overall as a people we cannot be sensible and see the candidates for who they really are instead of just wanting what we think is dramatic change and thinking it will be change for the better. Sure no one has that crystal ball but one doesn't need to be a genius to see Trump as the dangerous and Clinton as the wiser (though still not palatable IMO) choice.
 

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Once upon a time - on PS - I laughed at the idea of Trump advancing. The thought of him becoming the republican candidate was so completely, utterly ludicrous...

Now I'm genuinely terrified to realise that I live and love a country wherein millions of people actually respect this nutjob and want him to be our president.
 

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Yssie|1457098697|3999625 said:
Once upon a time - on PS - I laughed at the idea of Trump advancing. The thought of him becoming the republican candidate was so completely, utterly ludicrous...

Now I'm genuinely terrified to realise that I live and love a country wherein millions of people actually respect this nutjob and want him to be our president.

"this" exactly!!! Well said, Yssie!
 

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I honestly don't see Clinton as the "wiser" choice over Trump and I'm sure that there are others who feel that way too. As I've said before, I do not support Trump, but I do not see anything that might give Clinton have an "edge" over him.
There is no doubt that Trump is offensive and maybe even downright dangerous on some levels, but I feel the same way about Clinton even though the media has painted a much different picture of her. Look at how the media portrayed the Trump/kkk/David Duke incident vs. the zero media coverage about the fact that Clinton's long-time dear friend & mentor, was a member of the KKK (and not just a member, but a recruiter...He gathered his friends and started a new Chapter of the KKK....). Did anyone see that in the media anywhere??? And look at the sh*t show we saw last night with the Republican debate.... It's a complete mess, thanks in part to the moderators (media) for steering it in that direction. Sure, there is no doubt that most of the candidates are a mess, but the mods certainly don't help and there is a distinct difference in the tone of all of the Republican debates vs. the tone of all of the Democratic debates (ad I watched almost all of them). I think that while many of us are having difficulty showing support for any candidate (and rightfully so), that it's important to remember the role that the media plays in all of this and that maybe certain things are not as bad as they may appear... At least that's what I hope... *crossing fingers*
 
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