assistance needed; filigree antique rings.

[jseconds77]

I've never been in this happy position before! so...yes, lemme gush!

Can you please assist me? I like this site because its informative and most users hate a lot of other sites which is a good thing considering some tricks used to sell poor quality goods. Sorry for the very long initial post.

Please bear with me. I love antique, Edwardian filigree type rings. However, prices jump very quickly when moving up a grade or so with color and clarity. It seems to get everything costs...everything. ha ha. I know there will be concessions. Which would you sacrifice? A better color but a lower quality cut? A better clarity as opposed to color?

I do believe that your other half should always be happy with you and realize the efforts one makes on their behalf to present them with the best ring they can to celebrate love.

I believe that some prices are high and I could do better. I'm nervous when making a purchase due to the fact sellers know way more than me. I think buying a ring without any papers is a bad idea. I look for places with the best return policies, some offer 30 days! which is very good. I also know that these designs can be custom made...but what a price for that! My budget is $3,500 which I think is reasonable.

Tell me your expert opinions on what I sent The first link was the one that started it all:

http://wedwebtalks.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/vintage-wedding-ring-from-rubylane.jpg
http://www.newyorkestatejewelry.com/engagement-rings/antique-0.55ct-diamond-engagement-ring/22253/3/item
http://antiqueengagementrings.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=5303
http://antiqueengagementrings.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=5464
http://pippinvintage.com/collections/wedding-engagement/products/circa-1920-handmade-platinum-engagement-ring

 

[jseconds77]

reproductions are ok, too. I do understand the craftsmanship involved but some people seem to toot their own horn a lot. C'mon, I help restore vintage motorcycles and that in itself is challenging. I believe anything can be done.

all suggestions welcome! I know 1 carat is the benchmark but seeing .80s up close and personal they look like nice sizes to me.

 

[MMtwo]

Hi jseconds,

Is this ring for you, or are you someone buying it for an engagement ring for someone else?

My thoughts:
The first setting is pretty to me, but the diamond in that one does absolutely nothing. It is a round brilliant, standard issue. Nothing wrong with a round brilliant, but old rings often have actual old cut stones. They are called European Cuts, sometimes transitional cuts or old mine cushions. They shine differently than the newer cut diamonds. This may (or may not) be important to you, but if you are looking for an actual vintage ring, I would point out that may include a vintage stone...or you are buying a modern look-a-like, but not that real antique. It is a reproduction.

So here are my own thoughts. I am sure some here would disagree. So, I love old cuts. The difference between the old cuts and the newer cuts is how they perform and respond under varied lighting. Newer cuts have a faster scintillation and smaller flashes. Older cuts tend to have chunky facets that flash a great deal of fire (depending on the stone). They are very different than a new round brilliant. If you check out the two vendors and look at all of the pictures, you can find videos in sunlight that show the special light show some of the old cuts give.

I'll throw mine in here too (being set right now for an engagement ring). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs4c4m5mYPI&list=UUhmMHSvZTo3XkeFsIb1mLEw I hope this will give you a feel for the way an old cut behaves in certain lighting. Mine is a very old style cut. Some are much more symmetrical and uniform. Old cuts are judged by your eye and how they appeal to you. Newer round brilliants are best ran through the HCA tool up top to check for performance.

In short, look at the setting, but also pay attention to the diamond. Look around of the following two sites and you can start to see the cut differences. Bonus - many old cuts are less expensive. Older cuts also tend to face up lighter than a modern brilliant. For instance, an L in an antique would be fine but in a modern brilliant, no charm for me.

If I were going to buy an old ring, I would check out
http://www.loveaffairdiamonds.com/rings/
http://www.jewelsbygrace.com/

old diamonds:
http://www.oldworlddiamonds.com/

Also keep a close eye on loupetroop.com, where Pricescopers sometimes sell antique rings or diamonds.

 

[the_mother_thing]

Good gawd that diamond has some flash! can't wait to see it set MM!

OP - old cuts have a TON on unique charm and character, and you were provided some great resources to look through. Definitely figure out though if the wearer would like these vs newer, modern cuts. And good luck. You came to the right place for help!

 

[MMtwo]

I totally agree with JoCoJenn, just because I love old cuts does not mean they will be the answer for you or your partner. There are just as many (or more) that prefer round brilliants. Since you posted on the antique thread and I had a glass of wine tonight...well, you got lots of words

Thanks JoCoJenn, In the spot/sun light it blows my mind (and my camera lens). Indoors...it's pretty subdued. It's a moody diamond.
You're right, I can't wait! Gahhhhh I think the proposal may happen mid month, but I don't know for sure.

 

[jseconds77]

Thanks for the prompt replies! However, sorry to pester but can more users weigh in? Nobody discussed the prices of the pieces I sent or their overall opinions of them. Thanks!!!!

I've seen some nice settings from Leigh Nacht (sp?) but just for the price of settings alone I feel I can keep hunting and get what I want for my price range.

all assistance is welcomed!

 

[MMtwo]

Sorry dear,
Here's your rundown.

http://wedwebtalks.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/vintage-wedding-ring-from-rubylane.jpg
No pricing or information on the link. It's pretty, not sure about the diamond performance or grade.

http://www.newyorkestatejewelry.com/engagement-rings/antique-0.55ct-diamond-engagement-ring/22253/3/item
Using the HCA tool available on Pricescope:

Light Return Good
Fire Good
Scintillation Good
Spread or diameter for weight Very Good
Total Visual Performance 4.0 - Good - Only if price is your main criterion
(a score of 1-2 is the best, a 4 is okay, but I WOULD PASS)

http://antiqueengagementrings.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=5303
Light Return Very Good
Fire Very Good
Scintillation Very Good
Spread or diameter for weight Excellent
Total Visual Performance 2.1 - Very Good - Worth buying if the price is right
(WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER Nice stone)

http://antiqueengagementrings.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=5464
No GIA, looks like a possible fisheye -
Pass.

http://pippinvintage.com/collections/wedding-engagement/products/circa-1920-handmade-platinum-engagement-ring
Sold (pretty setting)

 

[jseconds77]

ok. Now I feel I'm getting somewhere. I'm enjoying this. I did check out Greenlake from WA and their prices were quite high!
Stuff from Erstwhile in NYC looked quite good! a little pricey but perhaps anything in life is negotiable

How about these pieces:

http://shop.erstwhilejewelry.com/product/60-carat-art-deco-diamond-engagement-ring

http://shop.erstwhilejewelry.com/product/64-carat-vintage-art-deco-engagement-ring This one is quite nice!

http://antiqueengagementrings.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=4831 Does this seem high for a setting?

Can anyone offer opinions on what they would compromise? Is it better to focus on cut, clarity, color? Which is most important?

Everyone and anyone is welcome to jump on this thread. I know custom work can be pricey but perhaps a deal could be struck? This way, I know exactly what it is and where it came from.

 

[MMtwo]

That last setting takes a 5.9-6.5mm stone
Use that last setting and get this stone.
http://www.jewelsbygrace.com/loose-diamonds/under-1-ct/79ct-old-european-cut-diamond-gia-certed-j-vs1.html
video
http://jewelsbygrace.smugmug.com/Loose-Diamonds/1ct-and-Under-loose-diamonds/79ct-Old-European-Cut-Diamond/i-dKjMpS4/A
Boom, a .79 and that setting = heaven

That would be a MUCH larger ring than most you've looked at and it would be a real antique stone...just a tiny but over budget.

You should watch the actual wear on the rings. Some are extremely worn down. Since you didnt answer on the question who it's for...if you are buying it for an engagement ring, think twice about one where the pattern is almost worn off. If it's for you...well then that doesn't matter as long as you like it.

About all of the other people who have not answered. This is not the busiest forum. Tt helps to have people want to help you make a purchase. People will help you if they sense your interest in learning new things is sincere and you take the time to answer their questions.

This is not the last table at closing time at an all you can eat buffet. I wish you luck.
Thanks.

 

[the_mother_thing]

OP - sorry I am not of much help in evaluating the options. I know my knowledge limits and really buy from my heart and eyes, which may or may not jive with your thoughts on a particular option. I would trust the opinions of others on here vs my opinions. But I have read many say, when it comes to old cuts, you buy with your heart and what you see vs numbers and such. They really are full of old cut character and charm that makes every one unique.

 

[canuk-gal]

reproductions are ok, too. I do understand the craftsmanship involved but some people seem to toot their own horn a lot. C'mon, I help restore vintage motorcycles and that in itself is challenging. I believe anything can be done.

all suggestions welcome! I know 1 carat is the benchmark but seeing .80s up close and personal they look like nice sizes to me.

HI:

I suggest you ask the moderators to move this thread to Rocky Talky...or just repost there. More traffic = more discussion!

I know you stated you like certain styles...is your partner in agreement?

cheers--Sharon

 

[jseconds77]

Thanks again!

yes, it would be for my girl. To gush some more...I think of all the ways I would ask her.

thanks to last poster...that last recommended setting with the loose piece from Jewels by Grace...right on the money for budget! actually, under budget! and...I would know exactly where the stone came from etc. as opposed to buying a complete vintage piece. I don't wanna get ripped off cuz I'm kinda like a fish out of water here....but I have been learning fast!!!!

as for the style, she would love it. We dig vintage stuff and it's really unique. If mods wanna move this thread so I get more help please do so!
thanks. I will keep posting as ideas come.

 

[MMtwo]

You're welcome. I see it's sold. I hope it was you who bought it. If it was not you, hollar back and we can look for more pretty old cuts.
Whoever snagged that rock, It's going to be beautiful!
If you're going that route, please post pictures after it's mounted! We live for pretty old cut ring pictures.

 

[RandG]

That last setting takes a 5.9-6.5mm stone
Use that last setting and get this stone.
http://www.jewelsbygrace.com/loose-diamonds/under-1-ct/79ct-old-european-cut-diamond-gia-certed-j-vs1.html
video
http://jewelsbygrace.smugmug.com/Loose-Diamonds/1ct-and-Under-loose-diamonds/79ct-Old-European-Cut-Diamond/i-dKjMpS4/A
Boom, a .79 and that setting = heaven

That would be a MUCH larger ring than most you've looked at and it would be a real antique stone...just a tiny but over budget.

You should watch the actual wear on the rings. Some are extremely worn down. Since you didnt answer on the question who it's for...if you are buying it for an engagement ring, think twice about one where the pattern is almost worn off. If it's for you...well then that doesn't matter as long as you like it.

About all of the other people who have not answered. This is not the busiest forum. Tt helps to have people want to help you make a purchase. People will help you if they sense your interest in learning new things is sincere and you take the time to answer their questions.

This is not the last table at closing time at an all you can eat buffet. I wish you luck.
Thanks.

Outstanding guidance and find for this poster! Beautiful stone!

 

[jseconds77]

I agree! great advice! and to boot Leigh Nacht said they would give me a 30 day return policy and set an outside stone for me, too.
adding the costs of the setting and the recommended stone by last poster the budget would be perfect for me! I did check the link for the loose stone and it has since been sold...but I have a lot of time. Just getting the lowdown for an early jump!

I can't wait to see her reaction when the proper time comes! thanks! keep suggestions coming if possible.

 

[MMtwo]

Well great news, you have a beautiful setting picked out. That's often the hardest part. When you are ready to buy, please let us know so we can help you shop. Until you are ready to buy, the stones we show you will be bought by other people

 

[jseconds77]

http://www.rubylane.com/item/746504-1054x20x2e62x20caratx20diamondx20ring/Art-Deco-Platinum-62-Round-European

is this too good to be true? no assessment on it but the price looks too good to not at least inquire.

thoughts? Yes, I know I'm still scoping(haha) things out and not det to buy yet but I'm working on it! learning all I can

 

[Rhea]

Not necessarily, but I think it has a couple of red flags. The photos aren't good, there's not enough information...and the photos aren't good.

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[MMtwo]

Oh nooo, that diamond looks very muddy and not good to my eyes. It is rather hard to tell because of the photos though. The setting is nice though! I like your setting choices.

RandG, I hope you see this: thankyou!

 

[jseconds77]

great eyes all around!
yes, the Ruby Lane piece turned out to be an SI3 and had a chip. very honest seller. they stated they would discount it even more.

thanks to all for your patience. I think I know that I'm on the right track with a filigree setting from Leigh Nacht and that loose as of now sold old euro diamond from jewels by grace would be a perfect match! thanks to the poster for the suggestion.
looks like total budget for that would be $3,500 and right on target.

I'm excited checking all this stuff out. I think a repro vintage ring setting might be best due to Leigh's great return policy and with previously owned rings there could be excessive wear. Going the above route is better piece of mind as I know exactly what's going on

I will still post. Seems Erstwhile and Israel Rose in NYC consistently gets the stuff I like...

 

[jseconds77]

ok here's an update!!!!

Went to the intimidating NYC Diamond District. After striking out I found a shop called Ben Moses. They were very friendly and sincere and did not care that I wasn't buying yet. Schooled me nicely without talking down to me.

Here's the scoop....Repro platinum Victorian/Art Deco with some filigree, scroll work, milgrain, 6 prong design. center stone of .81 Old European F/VS. Semi-custom job: scroll work sort of reminiscent of my girl's tats, milgrain work will pop! Ring looks durable yet feminine. Very nice! ALMOST just what I was looking for. Price of $4,100 perhaps nego. hoping for $3,900.

Now, going online I see similar stuff but smaller center stones with less color and clarity specs. going for comparable prices if not more! I also felt very at ease at the shop and they asked all the right personal questions of what we were into, backgrounds, etc. I did not feel rushed whatsoever. Their selection was awesome and the work to the naked eye looked quality.

downside was diamond was certified by EGL U.S. lab. which this site tells me is not reliable. I COULD get the ring appraised afterward at a family jeweler that my dad went to decades ago.

thoughts? suggestions? I feel more educated now.

 

[jseconds77]

Been a long while....so I got my completed handmade platinum ring! The designs replicate my girl's tats and I will post more pics when I can. Feedback is welcome but be respectful. You guys have been quite helpful. I'm very happy with the piece and still can't believe I did it. Months of research and communication. The father & son replicated the designs and followed my drawing to the letter.

 

[jseconds77]

and for the members desiring the diamond specs....I had a blast visiting the GIA lab.

1. stone dates from 1920's
2. H Color
3. VVS2
3. Good cut
4. .77 carat

 

[VRBeauty]

Your ring is beautiful, and I love that you replicated your fiance's tattoos! Please post pictures in the "show me the bling" forum when you can. And - could you please share with us who did the carving? Thanks!

 

[jseconds77]

ok!!!! finally, a reply!!!! Better believe I'm posting in show me the bling. members chime in. but please be respectful

 

[motownmama]

I don't think you have to reiterate "please be respectful;" there isn't a person on here that isn't going to compliment this ring! You did well!