LoversKites
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wizardman123|1418328256|3799597 said:LoversKites|1418321387|3799533 said:You definitely have done your homework and know what you are looking for, for that I'm glad. I'm just curious as to why 'perfect' square dimensions are so important to you. Since FCDs are cut with many variables in mind, like colour entrapment, rough shape, inclusion placement, weight, face up size, maximizing brilliance and fire, etc etc etc, I wasn't aware that there even was a perfect square shape. I'm not trying to challenge you - I'm genuinely interested. I understand wanting to avoid a thick girdle and a high depth % for a larger face up size, and many prefer a high crown and smaller table to bring out more sparkle, or prefer a balance between crown height and table size.
It's interesting to see someone so specific regarding an FCD's cut -- and I mean that in a good way because people tend to skip the cut aspect and settle for a questionable cut because FCDs are more uncommon than colourless diamonds (less options to look through). I've seen it happen a few times already in my short time interested in gems and FCDs.
And btw, you probably already read this before but it's a better idea to look at mm measurements than at ct weight because larger ct weight does not necessarily equal larger face up size.
Hello LoversKite,
Thanks for the response.
I really only have one answer to me being so adamant about the square dimensions: Its what the girlfriend wants
We shopped at some stores at Birks and Tiffanys and took a look at the few fancy yellow diamonds they had in store. The conclusion was she likes the bright colour (she was fine with fancy yellow before i drove her to a different location to show her the intense ) and wants the square dimensions of the radiant cut. She doesnt like the halo look when it is more elongated on one side.
This is why I was trying to persuade her towards cushion. To my limited knowledge, they are more commonly a "square" diamond shape. In my mind, it also would look better in the halo because the halos inner shape usually matches perfectly with that of the cushion diamond and would therefore cause no gaps (which I have learned that there wouldn't be with any shape with a hand forged ring - versus these stores that mass produce and don't customize the bands according to each specific diamond). All of the diamonds at the store had awful gaps between the diamond and halo. Not only that, but all of them enclosed the diamond with yellow gold at the bottom which makes it a) harder to clean and maintain and b) doesn't show off as much of the natural colour of the stone.
I have done a lot of research on these stones but have yet to learn about the crown and girdle (and a few other things you mentioned), so these havnt been much of my concern. Maybe I should begin researching this more. I have a feeling it will only complicate my search even further. I work in the engineering field and tend to study something in depth to make sure I am understanding every aspect. I impressed the girlfriend when I knew more about the fancy stones than the best sales rep for FCDs at Birks. I probably got her tingling a little bit with her now knowing that I have been researching them! She said she had butterflies when that FCD ring was on, I intend to give her a lifetime of those butterflies with this beautiful ring! ***cheesy moment***
I have been reviewing the dimensions of the stone in mm (see above where I requested dimensions to be +/-0.15mm). I have noticed in the 0.85-.90 range, the table dimensions are usually just over 5mm. So I am trying to keep the length and width to be within 0.15mm of each other.
Thanks so much for your feedback! I am loving the conversation. Diamond searching is usually quite a secret thing but its nice to be able to spew out some of the knowledge that I have learned in the past months and receive all your expert thoughts and opinions. Hopefully the girlfriend isint reading this
She says she wants the square dimensions of the cut. Table size doesn't necessarily determine the squareness though. It sounds like you just want an even square shape (similar length and width measurements). You can tell that from a head-on picture of the diamond. Table size is a more specific measurement -- see attached image. I don't understand the correlation. Am I misunderstanding something?
From what I know and in my opinion, in FCDs, avoiding an extremely thick girdle or extremely thin girdle is pretty important. More important than table size. Huge girdles eat up face up size, same with depth. Thin ones compromise the stone's integrity. The girdle size on both these green diamonds is really thick, for example (more than likely for weight conservation):
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/fancy-color/green/cushion-cut/0.72-carat-vs2-clarity-sku-175093
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/my-visit-to-langerman-diamonds.204073/page-2']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/my-visit-to-langerman-diamonds.204073/page-2[/URL]
The truth is, with FCDs, specific preferences in cut are easy to compromise on.
If your last paragraph was also towards me, just so you know, I am far from an expert (very far) but I appreciate the conversation.
Happy hunting