Thoughts on these Emerald Cuts

[JulieN]

Yup, #2 and #4 are what I'm leaning toward right now...
#2 http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.82-carat-g-color-vs1-clarity-sku-302757
#3 http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.86-carat-g-color-vs1-clarity-sku-366389
#4 http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.76-carat-h-color-vs1-clarity-sku-360247

Is this the lineup right now?

 

[EverDiamond]

Good call on the haziness, you're right, the other one is much brighter.

I meant to include the shorter L/W as a negative. I'd like to stay above 1.3 and closer to 1.4 if possible.

 

[JulieN]

Maybe http://www.exceldiamonds.com/Diamonds-1/GIA-Graded-Emerald-Diamond-2-06-Carat-H-Color-VS1-Clarity-568238.html?utm_medium=display&utm_source=Criteo&utm_campaign=product

If GOG pulls stones for you, ask if this one is available to them. The people at Excel also have a good reputation but I'm trying to cut down on having too many vendors pull stones for you.

 

[EverDiamond]

Seems pricey for an H, but it is prettier than the others.

Thanks for the tip, I appreciate that and will try to not make too many people run around. Hope to connect with GOG tomorrow.

Should I expect a stone like that one to have an ASET? I come back to that because Blue Nile's G from the original post is still tempting to me, but I've strayed from that path towards ones that offer photos/ASETs. So I'm curious if it's assumed that this one would have it, or perhaps it's that simply having the photo is enough to give you confidence?

Thanks!

 

[JulieN]

Excel and other vendors with ASET capabilities will be able to get an ASET for you.

 

[Gypsy]

No. I'm talking about these from JA:

 

[EverDiamond]

Great, thanks JulieN.

Gypsy, here's JA's videos for #2 and #4 from that sheet. If you liked #2, then that would be one that both you and JulieN liked. I don't have it on hold yet, but I do enjoy it a lot. A good contender for my third ASET from JA?

#2 video
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.82-carat-g-color-vs1-clarity-sku-302757

#4 video
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.72-carat-d-color-vs2-clarity-sku-289640

Here's the H that I liked but that JulieN thinks might be dead in the middle. JA can't provide ASET for it. Thoughts?
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/2.01-carat-h-color-vs1-clarity-sku-376052

Current JA ASET requests:
1) http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.76-carat-h-color-vs1-clarity-sku-360247
2) http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.86-carat-g-color-vs1-clarity-sku-366389
3) TBD. Maybe #2 from above (1.82 G)?

 

[EverDiamond]

Good morning all!

I just heard back from GOG, we'll see if they can source some stones out-of-house and with ASET in time. I'd enjoy working with them as I appreciate their site and helpful YouTube videos. That said, time is of the essence.

In the meantime, any thoughts on the post above?

 

[chrono]

Here's the H that I liked but that JulieN thinks might be dead in the middle. JA can't provide ASET for it. Thoughts?
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/2.01-carat-h-color-vs1-clarity-sku-376052

I agree that this one may not ASET out well.

 

[EverDiamond]

Thanks Chrono.

JA just confirmed the order is in for ASET on these three:

1) http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.76-carat-h-color-vs1-clarity-sku-360247
2) http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.86-carat-g-color-vs1-clarity-sku-366389
3) http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.82-carat-g-color-vs1-clarity-sku-302757

Will post results when they arrive in a few days. I've enjoyed their service but need to keep my options open since I'm time-constrained. Will post GOG's options when I hear back.

 

[EverDiamond]

I'm waiting for a reply, but the initial message from GOG made it sound like they won't send out the lab reports for out-of-house stones prior to a full purchase (even if you placed a shipping deposit to show good-faith).

I understand the issue of losing a customer since it sounds like circumventing could take place. That said, isn't that what a deposit is for?

I might have read it wrong and asked for clarification, so I don't want to do them any disservice. That said, if this is the case, would you guys take GOG's word on their review of ASET reports? For example:

• On one hand I have three JA options. I have photos, I have their support telling me a stone is pretty (of course), and I have your guys' opinions on the ASETs
  
• On the other hand I have a few pending GOG options. I have no photos or ASETs. I have their support telling me the stone is pretty (of course), and I don't have much to show you guys.

Based on my light research and then experience with their YouTube videos, I have a good feeling about GOG. That said, my experience is limited. Is this a case where you trust that the vendor is truly giving you an honest review? Or is this the case where you pass on a good vendor because of the situation (no in-house ECs) and go with the option that can offer you a full lab report?

 

[EverDiamond]

I'm waiting for a reply, but the initial message from GOG made it sound like they won't send out the lab reports for out-of-house stones prior to a full purchase (even if you placed a shipping deposit to show good-faith).

I understand the issue of losing a customer since it sounds like circumventing could take place. That said, isn't that what a deposit is for?

I might have read it wrong and asked for clarification, so I don't want to do them any disservice. That said, if this is the case, would you guys take GOG's word on their review of ASET reports? For example:

• On one hand I have three JA options. I have photos, I have their support telling me a stone is pretty (of course), and I have your guys' opinions on the ASETs
  
• On the other hand I have a few pending GOG options. I have no photos or ASETs. I have their support telling me the stone is pretty (of course), and I don't have much to show you guys.

Based on my light research and then experience with their YouTube videos, I have a good feeling about GOG. That said, my experience is limited. Is this a case where you trust that the vendor is truly giving you an honest review? Or is this the case where you pass on a good vendor because of the situation (no in-house ECs) and go with the option that can offer you a full lab report?

I can't edit the post above, so I'll put it here.

I heard back from GOG. They said I'd receive a "full webpage with ASET/DiamXray" etc, so I just wanted to follow-up here and give them due-diligence for offering all these.

 

[Gypsy]

Great, thanks JulieN.

Gypsy, here's JA's videos for #2 and #4 from that sheet. If you liked #2, then that would be one that both you and JulieN liked. I don't have it on hold yet, but I do enjoy it a lot. A good contender for my third ASET from JA?

#2 video
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.82-carat-g-color-vs1-clarity-sku-302757

#4 video
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.72-carat-d-color-vs2-clarity-sku-289640

Here's the H that I liked but that JulieN thinks might be dead in the middle. JA can't provide ASET for it. Thoughts?
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/2.01-carat-h-color-vs1-clarity-sku-376052

Current JA ASET requests:
1) http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.76-carat-h-color-vs1-clarity-sku-360247
2) http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.86-carat-g-color-vs1-clarity-sku-366389
3) TBD. Maybe #2 from above (1.82 G)?

#2 is on hold I hope it was you.

I actually like #4 very much, but I'm not sure about that inclusion.

 

[EverDiamond]

Great, thanks JulieN.

Gypsy, here's JA's videos for #2 and #4 from that sheet. If you liked #2, then that would be one that both you and JulieN liked. I don't have it on hold yet, but I do enjoy it a lot. A good contender for my third ASET from JA?

#2 video
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.82-carat-g-color-vs1-clarity-sku-302757

#4 video
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.72-carat-d-color-vs2-clarity-sku-289640

Here's the H that I liked but that JulieN thinks might be dead in the middle. JA can't provide ASET for it. Thoughts?
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/2.01-carat-h-color-vs1-clarity-sku-376052

Current JA ASET requests:
1) http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.76-carat-h-color-vs1-clarity-sku-360247
2) http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.86-carat-g-color-vs1-clarity-sku-366389
3) TBD. Maybe #2 from above (1.82 G)?

#2 is on hold I hope it was you.

I actually like #4 very much, but I'm not sure about that inclusion.

Correct, #2 is on hold for us

Yeah the black inclusion on #4 was off-putting. Probably a non-issue at 1x mag, but enough to be bumped in the priority.

Do you guys have a favorite between the three on hold? Reports should be in Monday.

1) http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.76-carat-h-color-vs1-clarity-sku-360247
2) http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.86-carat-g-color-vs1-clarity-sku-366389
3) http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.82-carat-g-color-vs1-clarity-sku-302757

 

[EverDiamond]

I put in a good-faith deposit with GOG to show I'm serious since they'll have to bring in stones from other vendors. He hopes to have them in and ASET imaging done within a day or two.

In the meantime, is there any recommended reading on ASET analyses? The clock is ticking, so in the next few days I'll need to make a punctual decision once the images start rolling in. I'll post them here and would value your feedback. That said, I figure I might as well read up on it as well.

 

[Gypsy]

I dont' really like the H you have as number 1 on hold. But I could be wrong about it. ASET will tell.

As for favorites. Nope, not at this time really.

 

[Gypsy]

What is your budget?
This stone is probably not going to be purchased by another buyer. And its a beauty:


http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/2.34-carat-e-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-380367

 

[EverDiamond]

Unfortunately out of my budget, which was originally around $9-$13, but is now up to around $16k.

Beautiful video. What do you like about that stone? Just curious so I can start learning. I'm not sure what the ASET is telling us in that photo.

Is the ASET from JA's website? I don't see it on the site for that stone, maybe you have it leftover from another post.

 

[Gypsy]

ASET is fantastic. You need to learn to read one.

And that video is what I look for. I picked the stone. The poster got the ASET. That's why I didn't love and adore any of your choices.

They found a larger stone (spread) that also had fantastic ASET so they are going to be buying that one (which is what I would do too). But this is an excellent stone.
http://www.winkjones.com/index.php?page=education-performance

 

[Gypsy]

I like this one: http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.84-carat-f-color-vs1-clarity-sku-383407 In your budget. Ask them if they'll make an exception and give you 4 ASETs.

Make sure you post the ASETs here.

The JA gemologists are good at picking out brilliant cuts. But we frequently disagree with their step cut evaluations.

You can read this thread and it will help you, maybe: [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/emerald-daimond-help-dimensions-and-aset-included.208561/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/emerald-daimond-help-dimensions-and-aset-included.208561/[/URL]

 

[EverDiamond]

It's thick girdle and low L/W ratio (1.2x) aren't perfect in my mind. But aside those two smaller points I agree that it's a pretty stone. I've asked them for an exception.

 

[Gypsy]

Thick girdle is fine. My own stone has one. Length to width ratio I agree with you. I prefer my stones in the 1.3-1.4 range personally.

 

[chrono]

Thick girdle is fine. My own stone has one. Length to width ratio I agree with you. I prefer my stones in the 1.3-1.4 range personally.

Ditto; in the grand scheme of things, a thick girdle isn't a deal breaker. I also prefer ECs with a 1.3 to 1.4 ratio.

 

[EverDiamond]

JA won't allow the fourth imaging, so I'll pass on that one.

I await their results, likely Monday. GOG confirmed deposit and will proceed sourcing stones. Hopefully they'll have them in a day or two. I'll be sure to post results as they come.

Would you prefer me begin a new thread that's dedicated to the imaging since this one kind of ran on? I know you guys like to refer to old posts for new users to read. I figure do whatever you prefer - new post, or keep it all in one. Thanks all.

 

[EverDiamond]

While I await imaging from GOG and JA I was enjoying the Emerald/Ascher thread in the Bling forum.

Two in particular popped out at me. I'm cuirous if the brightness of these two are from a style of cut that we can perhaps look for. I really like the look.

For all I know it's just the angle, or a certain type of lighting. But if it's indeed the result of a cut, I figured I should speak up that I like it! At least in photos.

To me it's like the opposite of a "watery" or a "glassy" stone, with both terms being used loosely and probably incorrectly. But I hope that all makes sense.

I'm on mobile without access to my laptop. Here's some links:

-Brklynbrn's 0.91 F
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/emerald-cuts-asschers-a-collection.113993/page-29']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/emerald-cuts-asschers-a-collection.113993/page-29[/URL]

-Bootsbri's 2.03 H
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/emerald-cuts-asschers-a-collection.113993/page-23']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/emerald-cuts-asschers-a-collection.113993/page-23[/URL]

Anything to go on here?

 

[chrono]

That's just how ECs look depending on which facet catches the light.

 

[EverDiamond]

I received the video from GOG and their selections.

It's been a pleasure working with them as well. That said, I'm slightly underwhelmed by the five options, but I'm open to persuasion since this is new for me. I think I was hoping for one or two great options that were also closer to the 2ct range.

He appears to favor two of the five. His favorite is largr enough at 1.75ct, however I feel like it has a weird dead square. Watch the first section and you'll see the characteristic. It's when there's a box in the middle that doesn't reflect when the light hits the belly. Just seems distracting. Thoughts?

Edit: I just looked back at the link in my post before this one. The link to Bootsbri's ring. I noticed her's also has the "square" characteristic near the center. I hardly noticed it when I posted that ring, which I posted because I liked it. For all I know, GOG's will be that mild?

His other favorite is the 1.6ct, which on paper is just too far below my range. I'm yet to get actual dimensions, so I can't say how large the table is. Until then I can just assume it looks like a "normal" 1.6ct. It's my favorite of the bunch in the first section, and it seems plenty good in the third (natural light). But it just feels a lot smaller than I set out for, and it's below the minimum of the range I gave.

I'll post ASET when I receive them. Thanks for any guidance until then.

Video:
http://youtu.be/R2kyGg3I-qM

Here's a link to the his top choice. It's the only one I have a link for at this time:
http://www.goodoldgold.com/ecommerce/1-75ct-g-vvs2-emerald-cut-diamond.html

Still awaiting ASET from JA.

 

[Gypsy]

I love those videos so helpful.

So I prefer #1 and #4 (numbering from start of video). I really like #2 at the start. But as the video went to spot lighting and daylight, I didn't like it.

So for me, regardless of the ASETs of them, those two are the winners.

 

[JulieN]

#4 is really nice. It would be a good choice.

I didn't notice the dead spot you were talking about, got a timestamp?

 

[EverDiamond]

Thanks for the confident and prompt replies.

I edited the post above regarding my concern on #4 and think it might have been overlooked by the time I submitted it. Possible to share your thoughts?

In short, I'm curious if that characteristic will be much less prominent when not so zoomed in.