Pick between these two cushions please :)

[littleweight]

Good evening, and happy early TG to you all.

Id like to start out by thanking Gypsy with all her help and trusted guidance. I am hoping to purchase a stone/setting in the next month and i have gained so much knowledge from this site.

I have two stones chosen and prefer a AGS graded ideal cut. Id like something a little larger than both in the same price range but i can't find anything available. Can you guys please give me your thoughts on these two and recommend one over the other and why? Also if there is another stone you think is better please let me know Thank you so much!

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.052-h-vs2-cushion-diamond-ags-104071432003

http://www.brilliantlyengaged.com/1.04-carat-g-vs2-royal-chandelier-cushion-brilliant-cushion-cut-diamond-gid-7393.html

 

[Diamondbug]

Hi Both beautiful cushions but they are very different in faceting. I have an AVC so my pick would be the one from BE. The BG stone is beautiful but to me if you want a H&A stone, I would go with a round H&A because I think that once you put a MRB in a four prong, it sorta looks like a cushion anyway, and you get better spread with MRB, unless you are thinking of bezeling. Humbly my 2 cents .

 

[Gypsy]

WHOA. Yeah those are really different from one another.

Can you ask BE if they are going to get any of their Mark T cushions (also AGS0) stones in budget for you?

That would be my preference. Both of these are two square for me. Not pillowy enough in the outline.


If I had to chose I'd go for the BE cushion because it's higher color for less money.

 

[Gypsy]

Actually wait a minute. The BGD is an AGS0. But the BE diamond doesn't have the lab report listed. Nor does it say that it has a light performance rating. Not all AGS reports do. And so if the AGS0 -- the 0 in light performance for ideal-- is important to you, check to make sure that stone has it. I know their Mark T Signature Diamonds do. But this one is not of that line and may not.

 

[littleweight]

Thank you both for the recommendation.. Gypsy, BE sent me the report. Cut grade: 1. Light performance: 0. Polish: 1. Symmetry: 2.

Can you guys please give me your thoughts on the ASET image?

 

[Gypsy]

Thank you both for the recommendation.. Gypsy, BE sent me the report. Cut grade: 1. Light performance: 0. Polish: 1. Symmetry: 2.

Can you guys please give me your thoughts on the ASET image?

OK then. All is well. ASET is great, the ASET of actual stone (on BE's website) is more accurate/important than the one on the lab report.



Which vendor do prefer for settings? BE or BGD?

 

[littleweight]

Thank you both for the recommendation.. Gypsy, BE sent me the report. Cut grade: 1. Light performance: 0. Polish: 1. Symmetry: 2.

Can you guys please give me your thoughts on the ASET image?

OK then. All is well. ASET is great, the ASET of actual stone (on BE's website) is more accurate/important than the one on the lab report.



Which vendor do prefer for settings? BE or BGD?

Great Gypsy, thank you again!

I think going with BE on the setting makes more sense as there is more customization available and so far Chris has been great to work with going back and forth via email. I will ask if they have a Mark T or plan on getting one. They have this stone for a bit more but its also I color, in your opinion is it worth the jump in price to this "T"?

http://www.brilliantlyengaged.com/1.12-carat-i-vs1-mark-t-modern-cushion-cushion-cut-diamond-gid-46700.html

I don't have the AGS lab report but the details do show AGS 0/0/0 if I'm not mistaken. Thanks again!!

 

[Gypsy]

I wouldn't go from a G to an I and go up in price.

H SI1 and that Mark T faceting. Sure. But I VVS...no.

 

[littleweight]

I wouldn't go from a G to an I and go up in price.

Thank you! I will keep that in mind and search for something similar as well. They have another T right at the 1 ct range for about the same price as the I color. I don't have the link but it's roughly 9k. What do you think Gypsy? Thank you again and happy TG!!

 

[Gypsy]

I wouldn't go from a G to an I and go up in price.

Thank you! I will keep that in mind and search for something similar as well. They have another T right at the 1 ct range for about the same price as the I color. I don't have the link but it's roughly 9k. What do you think Gypsy? Thank you again and happy TG!!

Color clarity?

 

[littleweight]

I wouldn't go from a G to an I and go up in price.

Thank you! I will keep that in mind and search for something similar as well. They have another T right at the 1 ct range for about the same price as the I color. I don't have the link but it's roughly 9k. What do you think Gypsy? Thank you again and happy TG!!

Color clarity?

Here it is Gypsy,

http://www.brilliantlyengaged.com/1.00-carat-g-vs2-mark-t-modern-cushion-cushion-cut-diamond-gid-23838.html

 

[Gypsy]

9k!! That's 1500 more than the other one.

I wouldn't spend 9k on a one carat stone. But then, as I've already told you, if I had your budget I'd get a larger generic cushion with excellent performance. So I am not sure what *I* want matters.

And I'm not sure how to advise you.

Which do YOU like best??? Seriously. There's no bad choice. I think you should go for what YOU like best, not me.

 

[Gypsy]

Read this thread and look at the pictures and images:
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/plse-your-feedback-on-two-ja-modern-cushions-w-asets.208247/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/plse-your-feedback-on-two-ja-modern-cushions-w-asets.208247/[/URL]


Tell me what you learn from it. Please notice that of all the stones you are looking at, the Mark T looks the most like Marymm, though it has a more cushiony outline and a smaller table. But it is also a modern 8 main cushion (number of pavilion mains, you can see them from the lab report faceting pattern).

 

[Gypsy]

This is what the BGD stone looks like in person: [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/afternoon-spent-with-bgds-new-signature-cushion-cut-diamond.191662/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/afternoon-spent-with-bgds-new-signature-cushion-cut-diamond.191662/[/URL]

And this is KIND OF what the difference between the Royal Chandelier cushion and the BGD hearts and arrows will be (similar to it anyway): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx-Yi_zskZo


So what do your eyes prefer?

 

[Gypsy]

These stones have the same faceting plot as Marymm's and should perform excellently as well:
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/cushion-cut/1.02-carat-e-color-vs1-clarity-sku-305716
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/cushion-cut/1.01-carat-e-color-vs2-clarity-sku-287345

I personally wouldn't pay over 6k for a one carat cushion. So, like I said... you opinion is what matters here, not mine.

 

[littleweight]

Gypsy thanks for the heaps of info I do like the chunky flashes with the royal chandelier

I do prefer a stone with AGS grading. Can you please compare the ASETs and IS between the:

http://www.brilliantlyengaged.com/1.04-carat-g-vs2-royal-chandelier-cushion-brilliant-cushion-cut-diamond-gid-7393.html

http://www.brilliantlyengaged.com/1.26-carat-g-vs1-royal-chandelier-cushion-brilliant-cushion-cut-diamond-gid-59512.html

Thank you!!

 

[Gypsy]

Gypsy thanks for the heaps of info I do like the chunky flashes with the royal chandelier

I do prefer a stone with AGS grading. Can you please compare the ASETs and IS between the:

http://www.brilliantlyengaged.com/1.04-carat-g-vs2-royal-chandelier-cushion-brilliant-cushion-cut-diamond-gid-7393.html

http://www.brilliantlyengaged.com/1.26-carat-g-vs1-royal-chandelier-cushion-brilliant-cushion-cut-diamond-gid-59512.html

Thank you!!

I do realize you prefer AGS. I was just trying to illustrate why my 'personal' opinion was worthless in this case, and YOUR opinion on the faceting was the important one.

IS not helpful with cushions.

ASET: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.winkjones.com%2Findex.php%3Fpage%3Deducation-performance&ei=_eB2VM8y6_WJAvCagdAD&usg=AFQjCNE8zRt1h3Cg-PqJnFsx0q9xeYO2zw&sig2=XnFEyF-pBKbY410j35okSA&bvm=bv.80642063,d.cGE

I MUCH prefer the shape of the G stone.

ASETs. Red is direct light. Green reflected light. Both are good. In a cushion you want more red than green, or no green and all red (with some blue for patterning). And as you can see both have that.

Blue is obstruction. You generally want some blue for patterning (depending on the stone faceting) but don't want too much.
White, on a white background ASET is leakage and you want the smallest amount possible.

As for comparing the two. It's pretty much a dead heat. The 1.2 has LITTLE BIT more red, less green. Both have very little leakage. Both it looks like have AGS0 ratings.



The biggest difference is size and cost and the outline shape. The 1.2 while only slightly HEAVIER is HUGLY LARGER in terms of spread (face up dimensions). And the shape of the 1.2 is much more pillowy.

Make sure you ask for any Holiday discounts. OR discounts for being a Pricescope member. OR any discount for buying the stone and setting at the same place.

I don't know if they will have any of them, they may not, but it never hurts to ask!

If it were me? Between the two, IF I COULD SAFELY AFFORD IT, I would go for the 1.2.

 

[littleweight]

Gypsy thanks for the heaps of info I do like the chunky flashes with the royal chandelier

I do prefer a stone with AGS grading. Can you please compare the ASETs and IS between the:

http://www.brilliantlyengaged.com/1.04-carat-g-vs2-royal-chandelier-cushion-brilliant-cushion-cut-diamond-gid-7393.html

http://www.brilliantlyengaged.com/1.26-carat-g-vs1-royal-chandelier-cushion-brilliant-cushion-cut-diamond-gid-59512.html

Thank you!!

I do realize you prefer AGS. I was just trying to illustrate why my 'personal' opinion was worthless in this case, and YOUR opinion on the faceting was the important one.

IS not helpful with cushions.

ASET: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.winkjones.com%2Findex.php%3Fpage%3Deducation-performance&ei=_eB2VM8y6_WJAvCagdAD&usg=AFQjCNE8zRt1h3Cg-PqJnFsx0q9xeYO2zw&sig2=XnFEyF-pBKbY410j35okSA&bvm=bv.80642063,d.cGE

I MUCH prefer the shape of the G stone.

ASETs. Red is direct light. Green reflected light. Both are good. In a cushion you want more red than green, or no green and all red (with some blue for patterning). And as you can see both have that.

Blue is obstruction. You generally want some blue for patterning (depending on the stone faceting) but don't want too much.
White, on a white background ASET is leakage and you want the smallest amount possible.

As for comparing the two. It's pretty much a dead heat. The 1.2 has LITTLE BIT more red, less green. Both have very little leakage. Both it looks like have AGS0 ratings.



The biggest difference is size and cost and the outline shape. The 1.2 while only slightly HEAVIER is HUGLY LARGER in terms of spread (face up dimensions). And the shape of the 1.2 is much more pillowy.

Make sure you ask for any Holiday discounts. OR discounts for being a Pricescope member. OR any discount for buying the stone and setting at the same place.

I don't know if they will have any of them, they may not, but it never hurts to ask!

If it were me? Between the two, IF I COULD SAFELY AFFORD IT, I would go for the 1.2.

Gypsy, thanks for your knowledge and time! I hope you had a great TG! I am trying to finalize with BE on the 1.2 stone, i have attached the AGSL report for you to look at and share your thoughts please . Im hoping to confirm sooner than later on this stone!

 

[Gypsy]

It's gorgeous. Fantastic choice! All is well on the lab report.
I had a great Thanksgiving. I hope you did too!
Are you also going with them for the setting?

 

[littleweight]

It's gorgeous. Fantastic choice!

Are you also going with them for the setting?

I was holding my breath until reading your post

Thank you again for your help and trusted knowledge. I am going with them for the setting as well.. Chris has been incredibly easy to talk to.

The only thing missing was an AGSL inscription on the diamond but they will send it over to the lab in LV to get it inscribed


Ill definitely post the on going process of the custom halo design as it takes place, thank you again Gypsy!!

 

[Gypsy]

Anytime! I am happy you are happy. I can't wait to see the finished ring! Please post pictures when you get them!

I know you'll be thrilled with your choice!

 

[littleweight]

Anytime! I am happy you are happy. I can't wait to see the finished ring! Please post pictures when you get them!

I know you'll be thrilled with your choice!

Thanks Gypsy!

The stone is in AGSL hands currently getting inscription done on the girdle. In the mean time, I've noticed that any clouding, feathers, crystals, etc cannot be found on the AGS report diagram. Unless my eyes are deceiving me, i see absolutely no red in the diagram. Are they just not properly shown, or am i missing something? Thanks in advance. I have attached the report again for reference.

 

[littleweight]

Any takers? ^^^

Thanks!

 

[Gypsy]

Anytime! I am happy you are happy. I can't wait to see the finished ring! Please post pictures when you get them!

I know you'll be thrilled with your choice!

Thanks Gypsy!

The stone is in AGSL hands currently getting inscription done on the girdle. In the mean time, I've noticed that any clouding, feathers, crystals, etc cannot be found on the AGS report diagram. Unless my eyes are deceiving me, i see absolutely no red in the diagram. Are they just not properly shown, or am i missing something? Thanks in advance. I have attached the report again for reference.

I'm not understanding what you are saying. Are you looking at it under a loupe and seeing things under there that shouldn't be there?

Is so what is the loupe strength?

If not, please re-state the question as I misunderstood.

 

[littleweight]

Anytime! I am happy you are happy. I can't wait to see the finished ring! Please post pictures when you get them!

I know you'll be thrilled with your choice!

Thanks Gypsy!

The stone is in AGSL hands currently getting inscription done on the girdle. In the mean time, I've noticed that any clouding, feathers, crystals, etc cannot be found on the AGS report diagram. Unless my eyes are deceiving me, i see absolutely no red in the diagram. Are they just not properly shown, or am i missing something? Thanks in advance. I have attached the report again for reference.

I'm not understanding what you are saying. Are you looking at it under a loupe and seeing things under there that shouldn't be there?

Is so what is the loupe strength?

If not, please re-state the question as I misunderstood.

Hey Gypsy thanks for answering, sorry for not being too clear. In the copy of the AGS report, there are some inclusions listed. At the same time i cannot see anything marked in red on the cushion diagram within the AGS report. I hope this helps, thanks!

 

[littleweight]

I think the actual term is "clarity plot"

I don't see any markings on the clarity plot on the AGS report that I've attached above.

 

[littleweight]

Gypsy I think my thread got lost on the second page. Please give me your input.. Thank you!!!!

 

[Gypsy]

You are right. For some reason it's not listed. Can you call BE and ask them about it? I don't know the reason or answer to that. But at VS1 clarity you don't really need to worry about any of the inclusions being a threat to safety or being eyevisible. I have a VS1 and I can't find my inclusions with a loupe!

 

[marymm]

not Gypsy -- but I went to the AGS Lab website and entered your diamond's report # - not sure if this link will take you to it directly or if you'll have manually type in the report # and carat weight - https://www.agslab.com/verify_diamond_grading_report.php - but if you pull it up and click on the "Open Report" link at the bottom, the report that opens up shows the inclusion plot notated in red showing the locations of the inclusions.

 

[littleweight]

Thank you both!

Should I be worried for any reason at all? It's for an e ring(once in lifetime) and I feel like that along with the AGS number not inscribed on the girdle throws me off a little. Any and all input is greatly appreciated!!