New member , with a noobie question. Is my diamond fake?

[kgets]

Hey all, I have a fairly large raw stone. I always thought it was a fake, a nice fake. But a fake.

I am just an average guy, a father etc..no diamond experience at all.

I have done enough research recently to have become quite curious.

Is this thing a real diamond? Can't be..can it?

It sunk "like a stone" when I put it in water, and I could see it sparkling prettily while submerged.

It would not hold a fog at all, just immediate water droplets.

I could not scratch it with sandpaper.

It can scratch anything easily.

It shone blueish purple under UV light ( I have a UV light I use to detect restoration on comic books)

The bevels all seem very sharp and concise. No rounded edges.

I cant really read newsprint through it at all.

It looks clear and clean refractions rather then rain-bowed.

The girdle(?) seems rough.

Now I know this is all very basic info, but what should I do when I take this thing in to a jeweler? As I don't have anybody I know or trust.

Sorry if I asked this in the wrong place, but your site came up and I thought , why not ask these rock nerds!

btw, I am a HUGE comic nerd , so no offense meant!

Thanks in advance.

Kenny

 

[kenny]

Re: New member , with a noobie question. Is my diamond fake

OH NOES! Another Kenny.
Just kidding.

You called it a RAW stone.
What do you mean by that.

A diamond that has never been polished/cut is called a rough diamond.
But you said yours has 'bevels' so it must be polished.

Where did you get it?
Got a pic?
Define "fairly large'? One inch across? 1/4 inch?

 

[urseberry]

Re: New member , with a noobie question. Is my diamond fake

I'm guessing he means unset, or loose.

Welcome, Other Kenny! Sounds promising. Jewelers all have diamond testers. Ask any jeweler to test it, even one you don't trust. Just leave before they try to sell you anything or tell you that your stone is subpar.

 

[kgets]

Re: New member , with a noobie question. Is my diamond fake

Sorry, I meant loose, no setting? Not raw.

In the comic book world we call loose books "raw", graded ones are slabbed. So sorry bout any confusion.

It is quite finished, and pretty.

And the story on where I got it? I found it years ago, in a parking lot, sitting by the sidewalk edge in the dirt. Seriously, it was just sitting there. It caught my eye and I picked it up.

Thinking it was costume jewelery. But I noticed it was quite nice, and well made.

So I kept it, threw it in my studio shelf with other knick knacks and forgot about it, till today when I was cleaning up my studio.

Googled fake diamonds, read up on all the assorted methods to differentiate cubic, mossinate etc...which led me to here.

And why I am trying to not get overly excited after all the tests I did. And the results I got.

I know better then to think it is real...but it sure has made me perk up and wonder.

I will take a photo of it for you all to see with something next to it for size comparison.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Re: New member , with a noobie question. Is my diamond fake

OH NOES! Another Kenny.
Just kidding.

You called it a RAW stone.
What do you mean by that.

Had never been cook..

 

[kenny]

Re: New member , with a noobie question. Is my diamond fake

Any jeweler or pawn can test it, usually for free.

 

[kenny]

Re: New member , with a noobie question. Is my diamond fake

OH NOES! Another Kenny.
Just kidding.

You called it a RAW stone.
What do you mean by that.

Had never been cook..

 

[arkieb1]

Re: New member , with a noobie question. Is my diamond fake

I agree take it to a jeweller and get them to test it using a diamond tester - this should be free. There are a bunch of synthetics that behave similar to diamonds so without a proper tester it's difficult to know what you have.

 

[kgets]

Re: New member , with a noobie question. Is my diamond fake

ok, I will take it to our local guy. Just was wondering if there are certain things I should be on the lookout for and saw this site.

I took a few photos, but it wouldn't let me host them through photobucket.

Will try to upload them here.

Thanks all.

Kenny

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[kgets]

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[kgets]

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[kgets]

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[kenny]

Re: New member , with a noobie question. Is my diamond fake

The cut is poor.
The crown is too shallow.
So perhaps it is real.

Most real diamonds are cut into shapes that have poor light performance to save precious diamond rough weight.
Ideal cut often requires polishing away much more of the precious rough diamond material.
I can't image they cut to poorly-preforming proportions to 'save rough' of fakes.

If you find out it is a real diamond you may want to read PS for a while to learn about cut.

You could send it to someone like www.briangavindiamonds.com to get it cut into an ideal cut so the light performance is drastically improved.
It was a free stone anyway.

Yes you'll loose carat weight and diameter, face up size (and perhaps value since most of the public is ignorant about good cut and only understands carat weight), but it will look/perform better.

 

[Circe]

Re: New member , with a noobie question. Is my diamond fake

Hey all, I have a fairly large raw stone. I always thought it was a fake, a nice fake. But a fake.

I am just an average guy, a father etc..no diamond experience at all.

I have done enough research recently to have become quite curious.

Is this thing a real diamond? Can't be..can it?

It sunk "like a stone" when I put it in water, and I could see it sparkling prettily while submerged.

It would not hold a fog at all, just immediate water droplets.

I could not scratch it with sandpaper.

It can scratch anything easily.

It shone blueish purple under UV light ( I have a UV light I use to detect restoration on comic books)

The bevels all seem very sharp and concise. No rounded edges.

I cant really read newsprint through it at all.

It looks clear and clean refractions rather then rain-bowed.

The girdle(?) seems rough.

Now I know this is all very basic info, but what should I do when I take this thing in to a jeweler? As I don't have anybody I know or trust.

Sorry if I asked this in the wrong place, but your site came up and I thought , why not ask these rock nerds!

btw, I am a HUGE comic nerd , so no offense meant!

Thanks in advance.

Kenny

A) Fellow comic geek, waddup!

B) Of all the tests, the fluorescence test is the one that catches my eye: I don't know of too many other clear minerals with high refractivity that fluoresce in that hue. White sapphire, sometimes ... but that does not look like white sapphire. Could you post a pic of it under the black light? Easier to take it to a jeweler, of course, but at this hour, this is way more entertaining!

 

[kgets]

Re: New member , with a noobie question. Is my diamond fake

Here is a shot under UV light of my wifes wedding ring(which is VERY old, and appraised) next to the rock in question. Which makes me ask, why are some of the smaller diamonds on her ring showing up as white? Does that make them better quality..or did the jeweler mixed in a few bad apples?

 

[lioness]

Re: New member , with a noobie question. Is my diamond fake

The cut is poor.
The crown is too shallow.
So perhaps it is real.

My thoughts exactly. Really shallow crown. Possibly real, and cut to minimize loss of carat weight. Please take it to a reputable jeweler and have it tested.

 

[VRBeauty]

Re: New member , with a noobie question. Is my diamond fake

One of my friends wears a 3 ct diamond that her father found decades ago - left in the restroom of a service station that he owned! Maybe you'll be as lucky.

 

[kenny]

Re: New member , with a noobie question. Is my diamond fake

Here is a shot under UV light of my wifes wedding ring(which is VERY old, and appraised) next to the rock in question. Which makes me ask, why are some of the smaller diamonds on her ring showing up as white? Does that make them better quality..or did the jeweler mixed in a few bad apples?

If I'm seeing what I think I'm seeing in the out of focus ring, the four small diamonds closest to the camera lit up under the UV light.
THAT is fluorescence.

The larger loose diamond does not have fluorescence ... none or very very little.
If it did it would glow like those other 4.

Fluorescing diamond are not higher or lower in quality, though they sell at a bit of a discount.
Some very well-informed people seek out diamonds with fluorescence.

A very small percentage of diamonds with a lot of fluorescence have an undesirable property in that they appear oily, milky or hazy when viewed in light that has a strong UV component, such as sunlight.

 

[kenny]

Re: New member , with a noobie question. Is my diamond fake

It shone blueish purple under UV light.

No more than your skin does.

What you are seeing in the loose diamond is not fluorescence.
The four little diamonds are fluorescing.
Fluorescing looks like a glow, as if the diamond is a light source.

The blue part of the emissions of the UV light is just tinting everything visible blue ... the the invisible UV part of the emission's specturm is actually activating the fluorescence in those four small diamonds.

Two totally different things.

 

[Gypsy]

Re: New member , with a noobie question. Is my diamond fake

Where are you located? Personally I'd send it in for a recut to BGD and see if A) it is real and B) if it can be recut to better performance (anything would help).

I also think there is a good chance it is real. Frankly CZs and such are usually better cut.

 

[ForteKitty]

Re: New member , with a noobie question. Is my diamond fake

The girdle doesn't appear to be faceted, so I'm going to guess it's not a diamond.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Re: New member , with a noobie question. Is my diamond fake

Put the stone table down on a newspaper...can you see the prints through the stone?

 

[kgets]

Re: New member , with a noobie question. Is my diamond fake

It's a fake. Two jewelers looked at it today. Most likely CZ.

Was worth looking into tho.

Thanks for all your time.

 

[chrono]

Re: New member , with a noobie question. Is my diamond fake

They used a diamond tester? How did they come to their conclusions?

 

[smitcompton]

Re: New member , with a noobie question. Is my diamond fake

Hi,

Don't go away yet. I want to ask you about using the ultra violet on comic books. My son is a big collector and I have the U_V light, but I don't under stand how it works to check for restorations. If you are still around, do you think you might reply. Sorry your diamond is not real.

Annette