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Rommsey

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Hello all,

As you can see I've been a lurker here for a number of years and I've been searching for a unique engagement ring to propose to my girlfriend (of two years thus far). :love:

I found a piece from an Etsy Jeweler and would like to ask your help in understanding this ring in particular:
2.37 Carat Marquise Cut Diamond Heart Engagement Ring

Is this a good value? :read:
I would prefer a Round or Miner or Cushion cut however but this caught my eye.

For an extra $295 they can do Platinum (which I prefer).

Details:

Marquise Cut Diamond:
1.07 ct.
Si1
H Color
Cut = Very Good

Heart Cut Sapphire:
.50 ct.

Heart Cut Garnet
.50 ct.

Accent Diamonds
.30 ctw.
VS2-Si1
H-I Color

Ring
14kt White Gold

Please let me know your thoughts, questions, critiques etc. I will be happy to provide any more detail. If anyone has anything similar to recommend please also share! :mrgreen:
 

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There is so much wrong there I can't even figure out where to start.

DO. NOT. BUY. THAT. RING.

It's photoshopped to death. It does not say what lab graded it. But if it was GIA they would have said so. No lab grades Marquise for cut, so there is no proof that the thing has very good cut, but considering how few marquise do it is unlikely.

And that ring style is pretty much love it or hate it with 99% in the hate it category and 1% in the love it. So it's a poor choice.

Maybe I'll have the patience later to spell it out for you more, if you can't figure out what I wrote above. Or maybe I won't and someone else will.

For now, do not buy.

Post your budget.
And we'll go with that.
 

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Unique is quite frankly a TRULY terrible idea with engagement rings. What you want is "uncommon" maybe. But not unique. No woman wants a truly unique ring? Why, because if it was something lovely or beautiful... there wouldn't be one of it out there. There would at least be several others.

That's an outdated design. Thick clunky, with two different colored stones in a bypass. Then to add insult to injury there is the channel set stones. And the marquise which many ladies hate.

DO NOT BUY.
 

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Gypsy|1413866194|3770208 said:
Unique is quite frankly a TRULY terrible idea with engagement rings. What you want is "uncommon" maybe. But not unique. No woman wants a truly unique ring? Why, because if it was something lovely or beautiful... there wouldn't be one of it out there. There would at least be several others.

That's an outdated design. Thick clunky, with two different colored stones in a bypass. Then to add insult to injury there is the channel set stones. And the marquise which many ladies hate.

DO NOT BUY.

I agree, it is TERRIBLE! Literally what I would pick if you asked me to find the ugliest ring I could find. Sorry to be blunt but you will probably appreciate the honesty in the end :)
 

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Count me in as another person who is not a fan of this ring, but hey- at least you asked for opinions before purchasing! Has your girlfriend told you what kind of diamond/setting she would prefer?
 

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Okay so. Does your lady have a Pinterest Account?
If so, time to snoop. Most likely she will have a couple pictures of rings she likes. Please go and snoop, find them, then post them here for us to see.

If she doesn't have a pinterest account, then ask her best friend, sister, cousin, mother... you get the picture.
 

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I'm going to assume your budget is 5k. So, we'll assume 4k for the stone. And 1k for the setting. These are examples of what you could get :

You said cushion:
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/12298/ Color
or
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/11179/ Carat

You said old cut:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/111279828869?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT 4k for the whole thing!

You said round:
http://www.brilliantlyengaged.com/0.81-carat-g-vs2-hearts-and-arrows-round-cut-diamond-gid-22847.html

You DIDN'T say emerald cut, but this one is over a carat, under 4k, and an eyeclean SI1, and potentially a nice performer (you'd put on hold and get an ASET:
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.01-carat-i-color-si1-clarity-sku-323833

You also didn't say a square radiant, but this one is lovely and at just over 3k, a nice price point.
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/radiant-cut/0.77-carat-g-color-vs2-clarity-sku-256156

Settings:
http://www.brilliantlyengaged.com/31-834-fy-14e-bpid-1154-18.html
http://www.beverleyk.com/engagement-rings/r10015-a-d-d-cz.html
http://www.ebay.com/itm/251527720461?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

You can request from some vendors Stuller X1 white gold, which doesn't need plating.
 

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I'm in that 99%. I would dread having to wear that for my whole life...actually, I would put it away in a drawer after a while :( .
 

Rommsey

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Gypsy|1413865788|3770202 said:
There is so much wrong there I can't even figure out where to start.

DO. NOT. BUY. THAT. RING.

It's photoshopped to death. It does not say what lab graded it. But if it was GIA they would have said so. No lab grades Marquise for cut, so there is no proof that the thing has very good cut, but considering how few marquise do it is unlikely.

And that ring style is pretty much love it or hate it with 99% in the hate it category and 1% in the love it. So it's a poor choice.

Maybe I'll have the patience later to spell it out for you more, if you can't figure out what I wrote above. Or maybe I won't and someone else will.

For now, do not buy.

Post your budget.
And we'll go with that.

Understood, I won't buy the ring. Thanks for the heads up but in terms of a budget, I am comfortable around $5k or less however I am flexible too. All you had to say was do not buy, I understand but please be patient, I am new at this.

Gypsy|1413866194|3770208 said:
Unique is quite frankly a TRULY terrible idea with engagement rings. What you want is "uncommon" maybe. But not unique. No woman wants a truly unique ring? Why, because if it was something lovely or beautiful... there wouldn't be one of it out there. There would at least be several others.

That's an outdated design. Thick clunky, with two different colored stones in a bypass. Then to add insult to injury there is the channel set stones. And the marquise which many ladies hate.

DO NOT BUY.

Uncommon sounds good but I'm not sure I agree with the lovely or beautiful sentiment. I won't buy.

tmot14|1413868667|3770227 said:
Count me in as another person who is not a fan of this ring, but hey- at least you asked for opinions before purchasing! Has your girlfriend told you what kind of diamond/setting she would prefer?

You guys are the experts and so why not ask enthusiasts and experts first? I'm happy that you guys are replying!

My girlfriend is not that kind of woman. She is the kind that is most happy with the thought put into anything. The only thing she expects is that she is comfortable knowing I research things before I buy and she is ever content with what I do in geneeral and so she is easy to please.

Gypsy|1413874185|3770235 said:
Okay so. Does your lady have a Pinterest Account?
If so, time to snoop. Most likely she will have a couple pictures of rings she likes. Please go and snoop, find them, then post them here for us to see.

If she doesn't have a pinterest account, then ask her best friend, sister, cousin, mother... you get the picture.

Yes she has a pinterest account but no snooping as she does not look at this sort of thing nor has revealed that she could ever pick out anything she would like on her own.

In terms of best friend, sister, mother, no dice either. They are not that sort of people as they are a family that is happy with whatever their men do for them. :saint:

Gypsy|1413876183|3770240 said:
I'm going to assume your budget is 5k. So, we'll assume 4k for the stone. And 1k for the setting. These are examples of what you could get :

You said cushion:
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/12298/ Color
or
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/11179/ Carat

You said old cut:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/111279828869?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT 4k for the whole thing!

You said round:
http://www.brilliantlyengaged.com/0.81-carat-g-vs2-hearts-and-arrows-round-cut-diamond-gid-22847.html

You DIDN'T say emerald cut, but this one is over a carat, under 4k, and an eyeclean SI1, and potentially a nice performer (you'd put on hold and get an ASET:
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.01-carat-i-color-si1-clarity-sku-323833

You also didn't say a square radiant, but this one is lovely and at just over 3k, a nice price point.
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/radiant-cut/0.77-carat-g-color-vs2-clarity-sku-256156

Settings:
http://www.brilliantlyengaged.com/31-834-fy-14e-bpid-1154-18.html
http://www.beverleyk.com/engagement-rings/r10015-a-d-d-cz.html
http://www.ebay.com/itm/251527720461?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

You can request from some vendors Stuller X1 white gold, which doesn't need plating.

Thanks for the input. I've browsed James Allen a lot and my original ring (yes I know it's more than $5k) was SKU: 1914p which from what I can tell is no longer offered. This setting/set combination really appeals to me.

Round is my favorite cut but old cut is nice also. The Square radiant you showed is quite nice also but no dice on the Emerald cut as it does not appeal to me.

I would like Platinum if at all possible. Also I like colored stones because in one regard I am old-fashioned hence a taste I have for blue sapphires. I've done some research on the forums here and quite like the Colored-Stones Forum. In particular I think Andrew Gulij from http://www.gemfix.com/ has a really nice approach with several nice options.

Thanks for the input so far. The reason I opted to consider this overall was because my girlfriend wants to do a red/white/blue themed wedding being that I am from Canada and she is from the US. I figured this would match her theme choice. :bigsmile:
 

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Thanks for the input so far. The reason I opted to consider this overall was because my girlfriend wants to do a red/white/blue themed wedding being that I am from Canada and she is from the US. I figured this would match her theme choice. :bigsmile:

If she really wants that kind of combo then you can buy her a blue sapphire eternity ring and a garnet eternity ring to go on each
side of her engagement ring. Dont surprise her with this though...let her decide.

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/wedding-and-anniversary-bands/eternity-bands/sapphire-and-diamond-bezel-18k-white-gold-5434w18

http://www.bluenile.com/sapphire-diamond-ring_21209?elem=img&track=product
 

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I think a red, white, and blue theme is a great idea for a wedding - parrots, and given your respective nationalities, unifying! - but hard to pull off in a piece of jewelry you plan to wear every day. Surprise stones inside the shank or in the gallery, perhaps? Or one OR the other for accent stones (does she like red better than blue? Or vice versa?) and the other for the wedding band, perhaps ....

P.S. - this isn't aimed at you, Rommsey, you've been very good natured and seem to adore your GF, so you're grand in my book ... but I often see guys say things like "she'll be happy with whatever I give her." Sometimes it's phrased as a virtue in the lady's part, sometimes as an assertion of masculinity. Either way, it's contradictory and puzzling. Even if a lady never complains, she will almost undoubtedly have SOME aesthetic preference, something that will make her happier on the inside, so if you're dropping 5k ... why not investigate what that might be? And if she's in the genuinely-couldn't-care-less camp - no aesthetic preferences, no sentimentality about jewelry, no ego to be bruised in any way, no actual liking for jewelry - then why on earth get a ring instead of buying her that surfboard she always wanted/donating to her favorite animal shelter/investing in some nice blue chip stocks? It's just one of those odd incongruities that's always made me scratch my head .....
 

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I think red white and blue can be done with her set, meaning wedding band and engagement ring. I wouldn't try and put it all on one ring.

For me I'd do a three stone sapphire/diamond ring, then I'd do a French cut ruby band.
 

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I know i'm getting the horse bf the cart, but i just wanted to chime in and say I saw an eternity band that was channel set rounds: 3 sapphires, 3 diamonds, 3 rubies, 3 diamonds, 3 sapphires etc all the way around.
 

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motownmama|1413909328|3770412 said:
I know i'm getting the horse bf the cart, but i just wanted to chime in and say I saw an eternity band that was channel set rounds: 3 sapphires, 3 diamonds, 3 rubies, 3 diamonds, 3 sapphires etc all the way around.
TThat would be perfect, then he could just get a white diamond.
 

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I still advise peeking on her Pinterest. You are making assumptions. You are spending a lot of money. It is best to do your research. It will only take a minute of your time. If there is nothing there great. But if there is... don't you want to get her something perfect? All you have to do is look.

I say, let her decide on her wedding band, with or without color. She can pick her wedding band herself.

Go with the conservative all diamond engagement ring.

How about something like this:
http://www.brilliantlyengaged.com/0.84-carat-f-si2-hearts-and-arrows-round-cut-diamond-gid-24252.html if eyeclean.
You can easily go to an H SI (just call Brilliantly engaged). And that way you can afford the platinum version of the setting. Tell them you want an excellent performer, 3500 or less and 80 points, eyeclean, and with an HCA score under 2.

In one of these settings:
http://www.brilliantlyengaged.com/fleurette-6-prong-bouquet-inspired-solitaire-engagement-ring-bpid-72-14.html It's made to look like a flower, with the diamond as the flower. It's gorgeous classy and uncommon. And will give her a lot of flexibility with her wedding band.
http://www.brilliantlyengaged.com/31-834-fy-14e-bpid-1154-18.html Lovely, substantial uncommon.

Both are around 1500 in platinum.





BE is a great vendor. You can just give them a call.
 

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Gypsy|1413930923|3770631 said:

I love that ring. I have wanted someone to get it sense I saw it. I think it could work with blue and red French cut bands,if she really want a red white and blue.
 

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Niel|1413931395|3770637 said:
Gypsy|1413930923|3770631 said:

I love that ring. I have wanted someone to get it sense I saw it. I think it could work with blue and red French cut bands,if she really want a red white and blue.


Rommsey, PLEASE buy this ring. It's gorgeous. Also this style of ring will NEVER go out style. My mother in law got engaged with a ring exactly like this. I wanted a ring that looked like this when I got engaged 20 years ago. My niece who is 23 wants the exact same ring when she gets engaged. You can not go wrong with this ring. Please post pictures of her wearing her ring when you get engaged!
 

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Hi all,

I am thankful for the interest and replies and I will try and address everyone in a single post so bear with me.

Again, great work and input, clearly you guys know your stuff!

tyty333|1413900530|3770346 said:
http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/three-stone/18k-white-gold-three-stone-pear-shaped-blue-sapphire-engagement-ring-item-22620

This is nice although I do see this style all over the place.


Crystal72384|1413902787|3770368 said:

Nice but I'm concerned over the lack of pricing. Does Beverly K target mostly retailers?

tyty333|1413905460|3770386 said:
Thanks for the input so far. The reason I opted to consider this overall was because my girlfriend wants to do a red/white/blue themed wedding being that I am from Canada and she is from the US. I figured this would match her theme choice. :bigsmile:

If she really wants that kind of combo then you can buy her a blue sapphire eternity ring and a garnet eternity ring to go on each
side of her engagement ring. Dont surprise her with this though...let her decide.

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/wedding-and-anniversary-bands/eternity-bands/sapphire-and-diamond-bezel-18k-white-gold-5434w18

http://www.bluenile.com/sapphire-diamond-ring_21209?elem=img&track=product


This is a great idea however trust me when I say this, she wants the surprise. She has clearly stated she does not want to help in this area.

Circe|1413905593|3770387 said:
I think a red, white, and blue theme is a great idea for a wedding - parrots, and given your respective nationalities, unifying! - but hard to pull off in a piece of jewelry you plan to wear every day. Surprise stones inside the shank or in the gallery, perhaps? Or one OR the other for accent stones (does she like red better than blue? Or vice versa?) and the other for the wedding band, perhaps ....

P.S. - this isn't aimed at you, Rommsey, you've been very good natured and seem to adore your GF, so you're grand in my book ... but I often see guys say things like "she'll be happy with whatever I give her." Sometimes it's phrased as a virtue in the lady's part, sometimes as an assertion of masculinity. Either way, it's contradictory and puzzling. Even if a lady never complains, she will almost undoubtedly have SOME aesthetic preference, something that will make her happier on the inside, so if you're dropping 5k ... why not investigate what that might be? And if she's in the genuinely-couldn't-care-less camp - no aesthetic preferences, no sentimentality about jewelry, no ego to be bruised in any way, no actual liking for jewelry - then why on earth get a ring instead of buying her that surfboard she always wanted/donating to her favorite animal shelter/investing in some nice blue chip stocks? It's just one of those odd incongruities that's always made me scratch my head .....

She likes blue better than red yes.

My girlfriend has taste in jewellery and has a fondness for sentimentality but really she is the person that is happy with what I do for her. It's hard for people to realize this, especially describing the nature of my girlfriend but if one were to meet her, they would more easily realize this.

Thank you Circe for your enthusiasm!

Niel|1413905815|3770388 said:
I think red white and blue can be done with her set, meaning wedding band and engagement ring. I wouldn't try and put it all on one ring.

For me I'd do a three stone sapphire/diamond ring, then I'd do a French cut ruby band.

I am intrigued by this. Do you have an example for show?

Gypsy|1413926245|3770577 said:
I still advise peeking on her Pinterest. You are making assumptions. You are spending a lot of money. It is best to do your research. It will only take a minute of your time. If there is nothing there great. But if there is... don't you want to get her something perfect? All you have to do is look.

I say, let her decide on her wedding band, with or without color. She can pick her wedding band herself.

Go with the conservative all diamond engagement ring.

How about something like this:
http://www.brilliantlyengaged.com/0.84-carat-f-si2-hearts-and-arrows-round-cut-diamond-gid-24252.html if eyeclean.
You can easily go to an H SI (just call Brilliantly engaged). And that way you can afford the platinum version of the setting. Tell them you want an excellent performer, 3500 or less and 80 points, eyeclean, and with an HCA score under 2.

In one of these settings:
http://www.brilliantlyengaged.com/fleurette-6-prong-bouquet-inspired-solitaire-engagement-ring-bpid-72-14.html It's made to look like a flower, with the diamond as the flower. It's gorgeous classy and uncommon. And will give her a lot of flexibility with her wedding band.
http://www.brilliantlyengaged.com/31-834-fy-14e-bpid-1154-18.html Lovely, substantial uncommon.

Both are around 1500 in platinum.





BE is a great vendor. You can just give them a call.

No on the Pinterest sorry. Also, I'm not making assumptions, you are. I know my girlfriend of two years and you do not. Perfect is not invading her privacy nor snooping on her account. She doesn't have rings on there.

You keep wanting to tell me what she wants when I have a better idea than all but her and when she says it does not matter she will be happy either way, when I listen, what else could it possibly mean?

She says for me to decide and that's that. If you don't want to believe me or her what more can I say?

Gypsy|1413927352|3770591 said:


I browse Whiteflash fairly often thanks for the insight.

Gypsy|1413927879|3770600 said:

I like the diamond however I'm not fond of the rings here.

To understand Beverly K, do I go through a retailer such as Good Old Gold to get a setting or can I buy from Beverly K direct?

Gypsy|1413928139|3770602 said:



Gypsy|1413928327|3770604 said:

Close!

Calliecake|1413933034|3770653 said:
Niel|1413931395|3770637 said:
Gypsy|1413930923|3770631 said:

I love that ring. I have wanted someone to get it sense I saw it. I think it could work with blue and red French cut bands,if she really want a red white and blue.


Rommsey, PLEASE buy this ring. It's gorgeous. Also this style of ring will NEVER go out style. My mother in law got engaged with a ring exactly like this. I wanted a ring that looked like this when I got engaged 20 years ago. My niece who is 23 wants the exact same ring when she gets engaged. You can not go wrong with this ring. Please post pictures of her wearing her ring when you get engaged!


The ring is nice but I don't like the side diamonds.

Niel|1413933389|3770657 said:

Thank you for this although I am shying away from the Marquise overall.
 

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Looking at someones Pinterest isnt invading privacy. Its a public board of essentially people "liking" things.


If she was buying you a pair of shoes, wouldnt she try and get you ones you liked, rather than ones she liked? Thats just what people are getting at. They arent saying that you dont know her... they are just saying, "hey, everyone has a personal style, and sense this is a gift for her, dont you want to make sure you pick out something with that style in mind.


If you feel you know her style without looking at things she likes, cool. People dont want to make you doubt yourself. Its just you say things like "she loves me she'll like whatever i get her" but in the same sense you want to be thinking " I love her, i want to get her something she loves, and not just because its from me. "
Dont be upset, no one wants to make pass judgement on your relationship, they jsut want to make sure when they suggest things, its something both you and she will love :)


as for an example of the ruby type wedding band i was talking about

........


my apologies if youve gone over this, but you are interested in it being a three stone, right? does the center stone have to be a diamond with sapphire sides? or could it have a sapphire center with diamond sides?

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Pinterest is a public board. I'm not asking you to go through her diary.

You are spending 5k. We've had a number of guys come on here SWEAR they knew their lady's tastes and that their lady's would be happy with whatever they chose. And when we have asked them to look on Pinterest, they found several photos. And always of styles very different from what the men were looking at.

But okay.


As for the rest of it.

What did you like best of what I posted for you?

That will help us help you better. Please post your favorite settings among those suggested.
 
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