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Help with my Princess Cut Engagement Ring!!!

bryan_b

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Hello Everyone!

I'm looking for an engagement ring. I’ve spent the last month going to just about every retail jeweler in the Cincinnati area. I’ve read through a lot of stuff on these forums to educate myself but I think I need you're help.

I am looking for a Princess Cut Diamond (Non-negotiable, Girlfriend has her heart set on that). I want to put it in either a Thin Solitaire or a Thin Band with Accents down the side. My budget is right around $2,700 to $3,000 Max…so assuming I can get it on a ring for around 700 to 800, I really would like to keep this diamond in the $2,000 to $2,200 range. I really would like to get as close as I can to a carat (not a big deal if its .89 or something in the ball park). Now I get with my budget constraints I am not going to be able to get a perfect diamond, but all I want is something that looks good. After reading a lot of stuff on here I understand that if I get a well cut diamond I can drop in color and clarity, so I am willing to drop my expectations there. If going with a company that doesn’t use GIA certification can save me some money, that sounds great to me. So what we are looking at here is.

Carat - .89-1.10 roughly
Color >=I
Clarity >=SI2 (unless you all think that these inclusions at this point would be really noticeable)
Cut – Ideal to very good
Cert – as long as it is certified, I don’t care who did it.
Budget - $2000-$2200 (for the stone only)

I’ve searched quite a few sites and some decent results. Here are two listed diamonds that

The first is 1.08, I, SI1, $2,025. I just emailed them to insure it was an Eye Clean Diamond, if it was available, and if they could send me a photo…hoping to hear back soon.


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http://www.abazias.com/database/NewDiamondInfo.asp?stock=138057400


The next Diamond I found on USA Certed:

Princess Cut: .91, H, VS1, the problem is they don’t tell me what grade the cut is… I emailed them asking who certified the diamond and what the cut grade is but I haven’t heard back yet.


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They have an odd URL where I cannot post the URL link but this is all the information that there is on the diamond ^^^^^.


Neither of these has a cut grade which makes me very nervous, but after looking up what kind of Depth % and Table % along with L/W Ratio I want, both of these seem like decent cuts.

Do you think that either of these diamonds are a good value? Or if I buy one of them are they going to get here and then I am going to be disappointed??

I don’t have my heart set on either one of these…So I am open to any and all recommendations for me based on your experience in the diamond world and what I am trying to accomplish here. Just tell me what you where you think I can get my best value because that’s really what I want.

Sorry for such a long post, but I wanted to make sure all the info was in there.

Thank you so so so much!!
Bryan From Cincinnati
 

RockyRacoon

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Don't get either of those stones. There are myriad reasons, but you are better off looking elsewhere.

Here's an option -

Pair this setting:
http://www.whiteflash.com/engagement-rings/solitaire/4-prong-tiffany-style-solitaire-engagement-ring-for-princess-8.htm

With one of these stones:
.817ct, I, VS2
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/princess-cut-loose-diamond-3189826.htm

.758ct, H, VS2
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/princess-cut-loose-diamond-3036244.htm


You'll be under budget, and end up with optimal light performance (best of the best). Plus, you'll be purchasing from a company that has an upgrade policy and solid customer service.

Best of luck!
 

Gypsy

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No. No EGL.
 

bryan_b

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Rocky, thank you for the reply I really appreciate the options offered there. Both of those diamonds you suggested are a bit higher than I would like to be but with the correct setting it would indeed keep me under budget. It seems that my expectations of finding a decent princess cut diamond at .9 to 1.0 for under 2200 is probably not a reasonable one.

Is EGL really that bad of a certification? Am I completely rolling the dice on an online diamond if I go with any certification other than GIA?

Sorry if these are stupid questions…I don’t want to overspend for a diamond, but at the same time, I don’t want to buy something I will be disappointed in.

Thanks!
 

AprilBaby

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No no no EGL! Get a WF princess cut. It will blow yours out of the water!
 

JulieN

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You would probably need to up your budget to more like 3000 to get a carat.
 

blingbuyer

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bryan_b|1411485107|3755715 said:
Rocky, thank you for the reply I really appreciate the options offered there. Both of those diamonds you suggested are a bit higher than I would like to be but with the correct setting it would indeed keep me under budget. It seems that my expectations of finding a decent princess cut diamond at .9 to 1.0 for under 2200 is probably not a reasonable one.

Is EGL really that bad of a certification? Am I completely rolling the dice on an online diamond if I go with any certification other than GIA?

Sorry if these are stupid questions…I don’t want to overspend for a diamond, but at the same time, I don’t want to buy something I will be disappointed in.

Thanks!
Yes you would be pretty much rolling the dice with EGL. Going with a better quality smaller stone can often look bigger than a comparable sized stone of lesser quality. keep that in mind.
 

Gypsy

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Yes. EGL is that bad.

Here are some threads for you to read:
A very clear discussion of the factors to consider if you are thinking about buying an EGL graded diamond.

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/egl-certification-are-any-of-them-ok.142863/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/egl-certification-are-any-of-them-ok.142863/[/URL]
Buyers suing over inaccuracies of EGL stones. [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/been-wondering-when-this-would-happen-lawsuit-over-grading.204318/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/been-wondering-when-this-would-happen-lawsuit-over-grading.204318/[/URL]
Rapnet bans EGL: [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/rapnet-bans-egl-reports-from-trading-network.205934/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/rapnet-bans-egl-reports-from-trading-network.205934/[/URL]

And it is because of that last thread, EGL being banned by Rapnet, most dealers are trying to pus EGL stones to get rid of them.

Any jeweler who is pushing an EGL stone for you is not a good one, and not one you should be dealing with.
 

RockyRacoon

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If you must get a .9ct stone, I would suggest this option:

.905ct, I, SI1
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/princess-cut-loose-diamond-3025631.htm


Those specs (I-color and SI1 clarity) are probably as low as you can comfortably go for a princess cut stone. It's about $1k more than the other stones I had linked.

Personally, I would go with the .817ct stone I had linked above. It also has blue fluor, which would provide for some additional face-up whiteness in certain situations, and it is only slightly smaller than the .905ct. Save yourself the $1k with this option.

Choose whichever of the stones I've suggested that your budget allows, and you will be a happy camper!
 

bryan_b

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Rocky, thank you so much for taking the time to dig up a great diamond to send my way. I appreciate everyone’s feedback. Last week I almost bought a ring from zales in the mall, after getting so much info from all the forums on here, it makes me so glad I didn’t!

I just have one more question.

Are WhiteFlash’s Diamonds that much better than say James Allen diamonds? I found this one James Allen’s site http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/princess-cut/0.78-carat-i-color-vs1-clarity-sku-364810 (I contacted them yesterday for an ASET, they said it would get to me in 3 business days)

It has roughly the same specs as the WhiteFlash diamond you sent me ( http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/princess-cut-loose-diamond-3189826.htm )…(although the JA is .03 smaller).

I guess my question is: Are WhiteFlash diamonds, which has nearly the same specs worth the extra $350? If their diamonds are that much better, then I am willing to spend a little extra for a better diamond, but if it’s basically the same as JamesAllen’s diamond that I have referenced above…then I can get a nicer band and still stay under my $3,000 budget.

I guess my question is, in your experience are WhiteFlash’s Diamonds superior to JamesAllen’s?

PS. One more question, (last one I promise) we won’t notice the I color rating because it is such a good cut correct? Or will there be an off color about it?

I am the novice and you are the experts. Please help! I want to purchase this diamond by tomorrow night so I can propose in the beginning of Oct.

Thank you all so much!
Bryan
 

Lorelei

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bryan_b|1411565734|3756252 said:
Rocky, thank you so much for taking the time to dig up a great diamond to send my way. I appreciate everyone’s feedback. Last week I almost bought a ring from zales in the mall, after getting so much info from all the forums on here, it makes me so glad I didn’t!

I just have one more question.

Are WhiteFlash’s Diamonds that much better than say James Allen diamonds? I found this one James Allen’s site http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/princess-cut/0.78-carat-i-color-vs1-clarity-sku-364810 (I contacted them yesterday for an ASET, they said it would get to me in 3 business days)

It has roughly the same specs as the WhiteFlash diamond you sent me ( http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/princess-cut-loose-diamond-3189826.htm )…(although the JA is .03 smaller).

I guess my question is: Are WhiteFlash diamonds, which has nearly the same specs worth the extra $350? If their diamonds are that much better, then I am willing to spend a little extra for a better diamond, but if it’s basically the same as JamesAllen’s diamond that I have referenced above…then I can get a nicer band and still stay under my $3,000 budget.

I guess my question is, in your experience are WhiteFlash’s Diamonds superior to JamesAllen’s?

PS. One more question, (last one I promise) we won’t notice the I color rating because it is such a good cut correct? Or will there be an off color about it?

I am the novice and you are the experts. Please help! I want to purchase this diamond by tomorrow night so I can propose in the beginning of Oct.

Thank you all so much!
Bryan


Hi Bryan,

I just want to address a couple of your queries above if I may. For the purposes of your question - both are excellent vendors, the terms and conditions of their sales and after sales packages differ somewhat so I would suggest reading the T&C of each and factoring that into your final decision. The WF diamond you allude to above is hand picked by their experts to offer good value for the money and beauty, plus a generous upgrade policy, these benefits will cost more money but to some it's worth paying. The JA diamond in this instance is a nicely cut Princess but isn't cut as far as I can tell to the standard of the WF stone in this instance, an ASET image would be needed to know more but obtaining one will take a little time.

An I colour will still face up white in a well cut Princess however you might notice a slight hint of warmth from the side view, but it depends on the stone itself and various other factors we can't account for.

I hope this helps a bit, the team have offered you great help and you are getting close to your goal!
 

RockyRacoon

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bryan_b|1411565734|3756252 said:
Are WhiteFlash’s Diamonds that much better than say James Allen diamonds? I found this one James Allen’s site http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/princess-cut/0.78-carat-i-color-vs1-clarity-sku-364810 (I contacted them yesterday for an ASET, they said it would get to me in 3 business days)

It has roughly the same specs as the WhiteFlash diamond you sent me ( http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/princess-cut-loose-diamond-3189826.htm )…(although the JA is .03 smaller).

I guess my question is: Are WhiteFlash diamonds, which has nearly the same specs worth the extra $350? If their diamonds are that much better, then I am willing to spend a little extra for a better diamond, but if it’s basically the same as JamesAllen’s diamond that I have referenced above…then I can get a nicer band and still stay under my $3,000 budget.

The JA stone does not have light performance data. That means we don't have all of the details necessary to make an informed decision.

The JA stone has a GIA report, while the Whiteflash stone has an AGS report. Having a GIA report is not worse than having an AGS report, but the GIA report does not include as much info about cut as the AGS report. With the AGS report, we have confirmation that this is an Ideal cut stone, from objective measures. Cut is the most important aspect of a stone looking impressive.

If I was making a one-time purchase and wanted something guaranteed solid, I would stick with the option that provides me with all the analysis necessary to make an informed decision.

The extra $350 is at least worth the peace of mind to know you got the best option possible and didn't compromise.

Best of luck!
 

Texas Leaguer

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JulieN|1411577460|3756385 said:
JA has plenty of good ones and plenty of duds. You have to know what to look for. I've been doing this for so long, I can recognize a Whiteflash ACA in JA's inventory: http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/princess-cut/0.75-carat-f-color-vs2-clarity-sku-290406
Just a point of policy clarification as regards this most unusual situation: A CUT ABOVE® is an exclusive Whiteflash brand and we are the sole distributors selling direct to the consumer. Since do not sell to the trade this diamond is evidently "pre-loved". It is a great diamond and we are in no way indicating there is anything at all wrong with purchasing this stone - hey, we think everyone should have one :wink2: .

It is simply that we wanted to re-state our policy to prevent misunderstandings about our brand.
 
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