Memorial Diamonds out of Cremains - anyone do this? Need Info.

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Post by rusty » June 5th, 2008, 6:12 am
Dear Neil,

I appreciate your straight forward response.  I appreciate your candor and I now have  a different opinion of your intentions. 

I will discuss your suggestions with my partners.  It is hard to share all of the details with a limited marketing budget. 

It seems that Lisa thought I was replying to her and I think that I might have hurt her feelings.  We are knew to this blog type of communiction and should be more careful in our efforts to respond. 

Thank you for a fair and balanced response to my questions. 

Rusty VandenBiesen
Founder LifeGem

Post by Wink » June 5th, 2008, 6:17 am

And here is the followup sent on April 2nd.

I have sent a URL for this thread to Mr. James, perhaps he will come visit and speak further with us.

Wink


 The truth is in the US Patent Applications!
 
LifeGem Owner claims to be using HPHT, US Patent application says otherwise!



I knew the truth was in there somewhere. Just took some time to find it. The truth about the LifeGem® program is right there in black and white inside their US Patent Applications #20030017932 and #20040031434.
 
 After a great deal more research into these US Patent applications I realized that the use of the term “sublimation” was not a misnomer to refer to the CVD synthesis process. Instead, LifeGem®  in fact applied for US Patents for a process claiming to make synthetic diamonds using the sublimation method of gemstone synthesis.
 


 


 “[0031] Using the process of crystal growth from sublimation according to techniques of the type described but not limited to the process described in U.S. Pat. Nos. 34,061, 6,200,917, 6,025,289, 6,045,613, 4,042.673 and 5,762,896”  US Patent Application # 20030017932
 
 [0037] In the preferred embodiment, the process of crystal growth from sublimation is used according to techniques of the type described but not limited to the process described in U.S. Pat. Nos. 34,061, 6,200,917, 6,025,289, 6,045,613, 4,042,673 and 5,762,896. US Patent Application # 20040031434 
 


 


 
After further review of their list of referenced US Patents from their applications, LifeGem® is indeed claiming to be using the sublimation technique and refers to several other patents that also create gemstones using sublimation, including a  1995 US Patent #5,762,896 held by Hunter; Charles Eric (Raleigh, NC), Verbiest; Dirk (Carrboro, NC), originally known as: C3. Now known as Charles and Colvard, Ltd.
 
 Makers of synthetic moissanite.
 
The problem: You cannot create synthetic diamonds by sublimation.
 
 Which brings us to the question: Exactly what is LifeGem® delivering to its clients?
 
I called LifeGem® and had a very nice talk to one of the principal owners, Dean VandenBiesen. He informed me that LifeGem® uses the HPHT process of diamond synthesis. But could not clearly explain to me why both of their US Patent Applications listed their process as sublimation, and referenced other US Patents using sublimation. His main response was that, the process of diamond production was not the important issue, that the carbon extraction process was the important issue of the patent.
 
 But I never could get a proper answer as to why the listed technology on their US Patent, and the claimed "patented technology" in their promotional materials, are so remarkably different. Particularly when their true and formal US Patented technology cannot make a synthetic diamond.
 
And their patented extraction methods listed in their US Patent Applications are no where to be found on their website and brochure. In fact, the one method of obtaining carbon from traditional cremation ashes listed on their website, is listed as not viable in their US Patent applications!
 
In the end, we are still left with questions.  The promotional claims of their brochure and the website do not equal the science of their documents. And their patent does not truly reflect a diamond making process by their own admission.
 
But I wanted to clarify the issue of the term sublimation in their US Patent Office Applications. As far as the rest, whenever I see a company with this many discrepancies in their official documents, it just makes me wonder if they have something to hide.
 
Makes me feel like Dorothy in Oz. I want to take a look to see if there''s a man behind that curtain. 
 
 Robert James FGA, GG
 Fellow, Gemmological Association of Great Britain
 Graduate Gemologist, Gemological Institute of America
 Property and Casualty Adjuster, Texas Department of Insurance #1300433
 Certified Continuing Education Provider, Texas Department of Insurance #3391 (and others)


Post by Wink » June 5th, 2008, 6:19 am
LOL!  I see Todd was thinking along the same lines I am and quicker to the punch as well...

Wink

Post by niceice » June 5th, 2008, 6:21 am
Date: 6/5/2008 12:19:08 PM
Author: Wink
LOL! I see Todd was thinking along the same lines I am and quicker to the punch as well...

Wink


Hey Wink, get out of my brain man! There''s barely room in there for me and the other five voices! Image
Todd L. Gray, President
NiceIce.com


Post by Wink » June 5th, 2008, 6:41 am
Date: 6/5/2008 12:21:22 PM
Author: niceice

Date: 6/5/2008 12:19:08 PM
Author: Wink
LOL! I see Todd was thinking along the same lines I am and quicker to the punch as well...

Wink


Hey Wink, get out of my brain man! There''s barely room in there for me and the other five voices! Image

Five?  Dang, last time we were together there was more like twenty.  How do you get it down to five, I have a few extras that I would like to evict...

Post by niceice » June 5th, 2008, 6:48 am
Date: 6/5/2008 12:41:54 PM
Author: Wink
Date: 6/5/2008 12:21:22 PM

Author: niceice

Date: 6/5/2008 12:19:08 PM

Author: Wink

LOL! I see Todd was thinking along the same lines I am and quicker to the punch as well...

Wink


Hey Wink, get out of my brain man! There''s barely room in there for me and the other five voices! Image


Five? Dang, last time we were together there was more like twenty. How do you get it down to five, I have a few extras that I would like to evict...


I choked them out and made them into Life Gems? Image
That''s my attempt to get the thread back on track!
Todd L. Gray, President
NiceIce.com


Post by lisa1.01fvs1 » June 5th, 2008, 6:50 am
Date: 6/5/2008 12:12:47 PM
Author: rusty
Dear Neil,

I appreciate your straight forward response. I appreciate your candor and I now have a different opinion of your intentions.

I will discuss your suggestions with my partners. It is hard to share all of the details with a limited marketing budget.

It seems that Lisa thought I was replying to her and I think that I might have hurt her feelings. We are knew to this blog type of communiction and should be more careful in our efforts to respond.

Thank you for a fair and balanced response to my questions.

Rusty no worries.  Just don''t want to waste any PS''ers time here.

Just trying to understand how my dad would end up as a diamond.  Or would he?

I needed a little help from my PS friends.  And u of course.

The "balanced" responses thus far are not shedding good light on some of the patent claims and product results.


Post by lisa1.01fvs1 » June 5th, 2008, 6:51 am
Todd & Wink were you guys separated at birth?

LMAO - GMTA!

Post by 777_LDY » June 5th, 2008, 6:58 am
Date: 6/5/2008 12:48:42 PM
Author: niceice

Date: 6/5/2008 12:41:54 PM
Author: Wink

Date: 6/5/2008 12:21:22 PM

Author: niceice


Date: 6/5/2008 12:19:08 PM

Author: Wink

LOL! I see Todd was thinking along the same lines I am and quicker to the punch as well...

Wink


Hey Wink, get out of my brain man! There''s barely room in there for me and the other five voices! Image


Five? Dang, last time we were together there was more like twenty. How do you get it down to five, I have a few extras that I would like to evict...


I choked them out and made them into Life Gems? Image
That''s my attempt to get the thread back on track!

My mouth is zipped on this one, however I did find those articles very interesting, I just had to say I''m ROTFLM**O right now!

Post by Wink » June 5th, 2008, 7:07 am
Date: 6/5/2008 12:48:42 PM
Author: niceice

Date: 6/5/2008 12:41:54 PM
Author: Wink

Date: 6/5/2008 12:21:22 PM

Author: niceice


Date: 6/5/2008 12:19:08 PM

Author: Wink

LOL! I see Todd was thinking along the same lines I am and quicker to the punch as well...

Wink


Hey Wink, get out of my brain man! There''s barely room in there for me and the other five voices! Image


Five? Dang, last time we were together there was more like twenty. How do you get it down to five, I have a few extras that I would like to evict...


I choked them out and made them into Life Gems? Image
That''s my attempt to get the thread back on track!


DUDE!  At $2,700 each!  Wow!  You know I can not afford over 50k in those things, still, it IS tempting, some of these voices are VERY annoying.

Post by niceice » June 5th, 2008, 7:07 am
Date: 6/5/2008 12:51:45 PM
Author: lisa1.01fvs1

Rusty no worries. Just don't want to waste any PS'ers time here.
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You're definitely not wasting anybody's time Lisa... I think that this is a very interesting topic that many of us within the industry have wondered about from time to time, but haven't explored simply because we have so many other things that demand our attention throughout the day... And the reality is that people who are interested in the topic will read it and those who are not will pass it by, those who are inclined to comment will, that's the beauty of a forum like PS, it allows people to raise topics which are of interest to them and discuss it with other people - nobody is forced to be here, well at least not most people, I chained myself to the desk this morning and I'm forcing myself to be here, I'm not letting myself go until I send myself a million dollar ransom! Dang, it's going to be a LONG day.

[Quote]
Todd & Wink were you guys separated at birth?
[/Quote]

Image Could it be? Image
Hey Moms, you've got some 'xplaining t'do!
Todd L. Gray, President
NiceIce.com


Post by arjunajane » June 5th, 2008, 7:11 am
Well, I have to say I was interested in this thread before and posted my initial reaction to hearing of this product for the first time.
IMHO, these articles kindly supplied by Wink and Todd have opened a serious can of worms for LifeGem - at the very least, as the author states, answers addressing such discrepancies are surely required.
I am not saying that Mr VandenBeisen owes PS''ers any explanations, but it surely seems like a good a *forum* (sorry) as any..

Rusty, I am only speaking for myself - I would be extremely interested to read a response from LifeGem to the articles posted by Mr James, and invite such discussion whole heartedly in the spirit of education and accountability.

Sincerely
AJ.

 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"And let today embrace the past with remembrance and the future with longing."
Kahlil Gibran

Post by YourGemologist » June 5th, 2008, 8:31 am

I normally do not post on other’s forums due to time constraints and professional respect since I operate the ISG Student Forums. However, I believe that in the interest of consumer information there are a few issues that should be presented here.



And I recently had LifeGem’s attorney respond to our investigations into the LifeGem patents and claims. So they are more than welcome to send this one to their attorney also.



There are basically two issues that LifeGem has not answered. And these are the crux of the questions regarding claims being made by LifeGem to consumers:



 


Issue #1. LifeGem claims that they own the presses that make their diamonds.  And yet they cannot actually show anyone where these presses are located. We know for a fact that Lucent was making their diamonds under contract for a number of years. And today LifeGem shows beautiful photographs of diamond making presses, and claims to own these presses, but where are these presses?



 


Which brings us to the real problem. If LifeGem is subcontracting the diamond making process out, what guarantee does the consumer have that any of the loved one’s carbon is actually included in the synthetic diamond? Answer is: None.



Also, in the LifeGem brochures you can just dial up any size and color of synthetic diamond you want.



None of the verified diamond synthesis companies claim to be able to do that. And yet LifeGem claims to be able to do something that known labs cannot do. Which makes me question whether or not what LifeGem delivers is from a pre-made parcel of synthetic diamonds just waiting to for sale. We have no proof from LifeGem to prove their claims.



Issue #2. LifeGem claims that they can take 8 ounces of traditional cremation ashes and make any size or color diamond you want, and that they can make as many diamonds as you might need. And all from that same 8 ounces of ashes.



Problem #1. We spoke with several funeral homes that do cremation and every one said that there is virtually no carbon left as it burns up in the cremation process. And even LifeGem’s own patent applications admit that fact. Yet LifeGem claims that they need nothing more than 8 ounces of traditional cremation ashes to make as many diamonds as you want to order.  It is a fact that their advertising claims contradict their patent applications.



Problem #2. LifeGem makes it appear that the diamond they supposedly make is totally from the carbon of the loved one. But in the very tiny small print, they admit that they add out-sourced carbon. Which means that the extremely expensive LifeGem diamond someone buys might only contain a very atomically miniscule amount of carbon from the loved one, or maybe none at all.



Problem #3. What guarantee does anyone get that any carbon at all is ever used in the diamond they receive?  Seriously.  What legal standing proof does LifeGem provide that they actually make a synthetic diamond out of a loved one’s ashes?



I have seen no proof of this. And if anyone else has I would appreciate seeing it.



The interesting thing about all of this is that LifeGem could put all of this to rest if they simply allowed a panel of gemologists to see it done. Show us.



LifeGem….show us your diamond presses.



Allow us to walk through the process by which you make a LifeGem and I will be the first one to applaud and post up the fact.



But there are so many claims being made by LifeGem that just do not add up. And every time anyone asks direct questions, they get spin and a threat from Attorney George Wheeler. But the questions still remain no matter how much intimidation and spin LifeGem puts on those who continue to ask questions.



If LifeGem was really making diamonds out of cremated human remains, they would offer us a tour of their program so we could see it.



Personally and professionally, based on what I have seen and read on this issue, I do not believe their claims. And I urge consumers to start asking questions before you pay such extremely high prices for any diamond that you don’t know came out of someone’s box of pre-made synthetic diamonds…..while your loved one’s ashes may well have ended up in someone’s garden.



Until LifeGem can prove their claims, I do not believe them. The facts just do not add up.



And it would be easy for LifeGem to prove their claims. But for some reason, they will not.....or can not.



Robert James FGA, GG



International School of Gemology



 


Post by purrfectpear » June 5th, 2008, 8:34 am
Let me understand this, the patents say you should be cremated in a preferred manner so some of the "wet" parts aren''t all burnt out? Yet the patented process cannot actually USE cremains?

Question #1 are lifegems made by the patented process CVD, and if so how are cremains used when we are told it is not possible via that process, and also, what about people who didn''t use the preferred method of cremation and in fact HAVE burnt out all the carbon?

Question #2 if lifegems does not use the patented process of CVD why are you referring us to patents that have nothing to do with the process that you do use?
"Truth is generally the best vindication against slander - unless it's always being censored"

Post by YourGemologist » June 5th, 2008, 8:45 am
The LifeGem patent applications all refer to sublimation and refer to Charles and Covard's patent for making synthetic moissanite by sublimation. Only in one place do they refer to HPHT, which is what they claim to actually use. When questioned in places like this forum they make big claims about HPHT, but they never want to talk about those patent applications.

You cannot make a synthetic diamond by sublimation, btw. 

The problem is, they cannot show that they make any diamonds at all themselves. All facts so far point to them out sourcing the diamond making process in spite of their advertising claims. 

It is possible to have your loved one cut into pieces before the cremation process. Something discussed in LifeGems patents. But this is never discussed in their advertising (you can imagine why). So you could simply take your loved one and have them cut up and the carbon extracted, and then cremate the remains. Cutting off their head and sending that in could make a diamond. But no one would do that. So the LifeGem ads say to simply send an 8oz scoop of traditional ashes and they will make the diamonds.

At no place in their website or brochures does LifeGem say to cut up your loved one before cremation. They only refer to 8oz of traditional cremation ashes, which are all that is left after everything has burned up.


Robert

Post by Wink » June 5th, 2008, 8:49 am
Robert,

Thank you for taking time from your busy day to respond to this thread.  It is greatly appreciated by many of us.

Wink

Post by nina85 » June 5th, 2008, 10:56 am
HI Lisa,

I can certainly see why people want to do this as it can mean your loved one is with you, but i do think if this is something you are really going to consider you need to speak to people who have had it done and get as much info as poss you dont want to end up with some thing that is false and worthless to you in  a memory way.

Good luck

Post by rusty » June 5th, 2008, 11:26 am
Rusty, I am only speaking for myself - I would be extremely interested to read a response from LifeGem to the articles posted by Mr James, and invite such discussion whole heartedly in the spirit of education and accountability.

Sincerely
AJ.


Dear AJ, 

That is a great question. 

Robert James recieved our response to that News Letter via Fed Ex on May 1st 2008. 

You should ask if he would like to share our response.




Rusty VandenBiesen
Founder LifeGem

Post by purrfectpear » June 5th, 2008, 1:06 pm
Date: 6/5/2008 5:26:47 PM
Author: rusty
Rusty, I am only speaking for myself - I would be extremely interested to read a response from LifeGem to the articles posted by Mr James, and invite such discussion whole heartedly in the spirit of education and accountability.

Sincerely
AJ.


Dear AJ,

That is a great question.

Robert James recieved our response to that News Letter via Fed Ex on May 1st 2008.

You should ask if he would like to share our response.




Actually there are SEVERAL "great questions" on this thread alone. You have yet to answer even one. You received permission to answer questions, not to keep telling US to ask other people. We''re asking YOU. You do know your own product don''t you? If you don''t plan to address the questions honestly I guess there''s no point in this thread.
"Truth is generally the best vindication against slander - unless it's always being censored"

Post by lisa1.01fvs1 » June 5th, 2008, 1:12 pm
Thanks Robert James for highlighting the opacity of their operation.

Just as Garry initially said.

Nina - oh don''t worry about me but thanks.  That''s why I appealed to PS to start a dialogue about this.
I smelled something rotten and BTW they are not the only co. purporting to make diamonds from cremains.

I am guessing there have been some law suits over this.

Robert, care to share their response dated 5/1/08?

So far I am glad I didn''t ship dad, grandma, grandpa & eventually kitty over there!

Thank you, thank you PS Image

Post by denverappraiser » June 5th, 2008, 1:14 pm
Date: 6/5/2008 12:12:47 PM
Author: rusty
Dear Neil,


I appreciate your straight forward response. I appreciate your candor and I now have a different opinion of your intentions.


I will discuss your suggestions with my partners. It is hard to share all of the details with a limited marketing budget.


It seems that Lisa thought I was replying to her and I think that I might have hurt her feelings. We are knew to this blog type of communiction and should be more careful in our efforts to respond.


Thank you for a fair and balanced response to my questions.



Thanks Rusty.

I always try to be polite and fair. I’m afraid that this thread and this whole forum may overwhelm you but, as you point out, marketing opportunities where you have a free hand to spell out the full nitty-gritty details to people who will actually read and study them are few and far between, especially free ones. Marketing is all about the number of impressions and the quality of those impressions per dollar. This thread has already had over 850 views and most of those people have read every word you’ve written. Many are fairly influential people in the jewelry and related industries as well as avid diamond and jewelry consumers and a fair number of my fellow appraisers so Andrey has given you a free opportunity here that, frankly, I don’t ever recall seeing him do before. You should feel honored. Having read the rules you know, even the ADVERTISERS here don’t have the leeway to do what you’ve been granted. I expect that this thread will end up having several thousand viewers. That’s quite an opportunity if you choose to accept it.

It seems likely that the text of the speech to the folks at MIT would also contain some of the answers to Mr. James’s concerns over details like how much refined carbon can be extracted from an 8 oz sample of cremains or a gram of hair, what process(es) you are using to go from refined carbon to diamond and similar technical details. I would certainly think that this is the sort of thing that a group of MIT professors would find interesting but, if it''s not in there, now might be a good time to write something up.

I’m not sure where your production facility is but YES, I would definitely be interested in a tour. Thank you. I’m guessing it’s rather far from me, it seems that everything is, but I do travel around quite a bit and if I can arrange a visit that fits your schedule I would love to see what you do. Where is it?

Neil Beaty
GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA
Professional Jewelry Appraisals in Denver


Neil Beaty GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA
Independent Certified Gemologist Appraiser
www.americangemregistry.com

Post by YourGemologist » June 5th, 2008, 1:22 pm

Hi Rusty,

I am not going to come here to this respected venue and enter into any disrespectful or discourteous rhetoric with you.

But since you have directed AJ to ask me about your response of 1 May 2008, I will respond.

It was a response letter from your attorney, George Wheeler, Esq., spinning the same smoke and mirror show that your website offers. Unfortunately, Mr Wheeler was not astute enough to attach privilege and confidentiality to the letter, so I am going to publish it, along with my response to it, in an upcoming edition of our newsletter.

If it was Mr. Wheeler''s intent to intimidate me, it was a woefully inept effort.

But let''s get back to the issue here rather than try to side track the thread. We are looking for answers to our questions. They are not difficult questions. And do not require you to divulge any corporate secrets. They are just simple questions that every consumer should ask of you before ordering your services.

So you might as well go ahead and answer the questions here on this forum.

#1. Where are the diamond presses you claim to own and operate?

#2. Out of an 8 ounce cup of traditional cremation ashes, how much actual graphite do you produce?

#3. Of 100% of the carbon contained in your claimed product, what is the average percentage of carbon from a loved one''s ashes? 

#4. How can you prove to consumers that you actually use the ashes of their loved one’s in your claimed synthetic diamonds?

I am not going to stop asking these questions. Consumers deserve some answers, especially considering the emotional attachment that goes along with your product.

I assure you that I am not intimidated by your attorney, and I will not stop asking these questions until I get answers on behalf of consumers.


Robert James FGA, GG
International School of Gemology 


Post by Wink » June 5th, 2008, 1:36 pm
So Rusty,

Your response to Robert''s questions was to sic an attack attorney on him?  Not going to play well in Peoria, and probably not too well on Pricescope.  These folks like, nay, demand, good answers and do not cotton much to prevarication.

Seems to me some straight forward answers would serve you better.

Just my opinion of course.

Wink

Post by Wink » June 5th, 2008, 1:38 pm
Date: 6/5/2008 1:07:18 PM
Author: niceice

Date: 6/5/2008 12:51:45 PM
Author: lisa1.01fvs1

Rusty no worries. Just don''t want to waste any PS''ers time here.


You''re definitely not wasting anybody''s time Lisa... I think that this is a very interesting topic that many of us within the industry have wondered about from time to time, but haven''t explored simply because we have so many other things that demand our attention throughout the day... And the reality is that people who are interested in the topic will read it and those who are not will pass it by, those who are inclined to comment will, that''s the beauty of a forum like PS, it allows people to raise topics which are of interest to them and discuss it with other people - nobody is forced to be here, well at least not most people, I chained myself to the desk this morning and I''m forcing myself to be here, I''m not letting myself go until I send myself a million dollar ransom! Dang, it''s going to be a LONG day.


Todd & Wink were you guys separated at birth?


Image Could it be? Image
Hey Moms, you''ve got some ''xplaining t''do!

Todd,

I can''t get a word out of Mom.  She ain''t even pleading the 5th, just ignoring me.  You doing any better?

Wink

Post by purrfectpear » June 5th, 2008, 1:45 pm
Sounds like mom went to the customer relations school of LifeGem Image

No ''splaining, just lots of apple pie.
"Truth is generally the best vindication against slander - unless it's always being censored"

Post by 777_LDY » June 5th, 2008, 3:00 pm
They auctioned off Beethoven on EBay! Image

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LifeGem

Post by Sharon101 » June 5th, 2008, 4:32 pm
Maybe Rusty uses homeopathy principles to make the diamonds. Maybe if you shake the diamond in water with the cremains it creates a memory in all mentioned particles. And thats how they can even have backups made from that one strand of hair you provided!!!!!!

Post by Linda W » June 5th, 2008, 4:34 pm
Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww Image
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"Life is what happens to you, while you are busy making other plans". John Lennon



Post by arjunajane » June 5th, 2008, 7:21 pm
Date: 6/5/2008 7:06:08 PM
Author: purrfectpear

Date: 6/5/2008 5:26:47 PM
Author: rusty
Rusty, I am only speaking for myself - I would be extremely interested to read a response from LifeGem to the articles posted by Mr James, and invite such discussion whole heartedly in the spirit of education and accountability.

Sincerely
AJ.


Dear AJ,

That is a great question.

Robert James recieved our response to that News Letter via Fed Ex on May 1st 2008.

You should ask if he would like to share our response.




Actually there are SEVERAL ''great questions'' on this thread alone. You have yet to answer even one. You received permission to answer questions, not to keep telling US to ask other people. We''re asking YOU. You do know your own product don''t you? If you don''t plan to address the questions honestly I guess there''s no point in this thread.

I absolutely agree with Purrfect on this - you have insisted on passing the buck on every question that has been posed here. Mr James has had the good manners and good faith to support and explain his claims, and this thread wasn''t even started about him..

Anyway, who really cares right? The whole thing sounds positively shady and imo, just plain wrong.
Lisa, i hope you have received some of the answers you sought - but honey, if I were you, I''d stay well away!Image

 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"And let today embrace the past with remembrance and the future with longing."
Kahlil Gibran

Post by arjunajane » June 5th, 2008, 7:35 pm
On a different tip, and one that Mr James also touched on in his article - insuring these "diamonds" poses an absolute nightmare, that as someone that works in the insurance industry, it boggles the mind!

Thankfully, there is no such thing as LifeGem in Australia yet and I hope there never will be.
I can not imagine any Insurance company taking on such a great risk to insure somebody's "Dear old dad" - can you imagine, how do you replace someone's mother or grandfather with 'Like Kind and Quality"?!
Its just absurd.
Infact, I would go as far as to venture that a whole new set of insurance underwriting guidelines would need to written I imagine just to cover this product..I know the Co I work for would not.
I wonder if Lifegem tells their potential customers this, as they walk around with 20k gems..?Image

The issue of loss of these gems was glossed over by Rusty earlier, but personally I feel bad for the numerous people out there wearing these gems who simply would be not covered for loss or theft..

Image

 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"And let today embrace the past with remembrance and the future with longing."
Kahlil Gibran


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