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Post by prince.of.preslav » June 14th, 2009, 4:51 am
Thank you, Danny, for the links and information. It looks like the Hawaiian roayl family had hardly any jewels we can discuss. I haven't seen many good pics of that royal family, and in addition to this we can assume that the important jewels were sold during the family's exile.

Post by prince.of.preslav » June 14th, 2009, 5:03 am
Here is the Hawaiian crown. I think it's used in Coat of Arms of the Kingdom of Hawaii. It looks like pearls are set on the arches and precious stones on the base.
From the Wiki article, I assume that many feathers were used in the Hawaiian regalia.
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Post by prince.of.preslav » June 14th, 2009, 6:07 am
Here's a picture from yesterday's Trooping the Colour. Although I think HM wore the same clothes before, I must say the Queen looked radiant as ever. Bright colours really suit her. If you look at post where HM wears the Dorset bow, you'll see that I gave my opinion on what brooch the Queen will wear. Obviously I was wrong. When I first saw the picture I was disapointed, because I remembere that the same big jewel was worn last wear. That grabed my attention and after a breaf research I found out that that's what HM wears at every Trooping the Colour, since she stopped ridng Burmise. I didn't know about that tradition.
Can someone explain what the brooch means? I'm sure it's sth connected with QEII's role as sovereign, because I belive it's composed of the stars of Britain's three highest ordes - Order of the Garter, Order of the Thistle and Order of StPatrick, a moto in latin and a crown to top it. Have you seen other outings of the brooch, different from Trooping the Colour?
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Post by prince.of.preslav » June 14th, 2009, 6:13 am
Here is a closer and clearer photo:
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Post by prince.of.preslav » June 14th, 2009, 6:31 am
Here are TRH The Earl & Countess of Wessex in an open carriage with THR The Duke & Duchess of Gloucester. The Countess wore diamond brooch and earrings, while The Duchess wore her necklace a la Wallis and the earrings for Queen Mary's present to Brigitte's mother-in-law - Princess Alice.
Maybe HRH wore a brooch, bu it's hard to tell.

Camilla wore her pearl choker with a big auqamarine claps. The stone mathced the Duchess' light blue outfit.
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Post by Imdanny » June 14th, 2009, 4:46 pm
You''re welcome, Bobby. I''m not familiar with the brooch at all until today. I''m glad you posted these pictures and comments. I was hoping you would. The Countess of Wessex looks very regal. Her Wikipedia entry describes her early life as: "Sophie was born at Radcliffe Infirmary, Oxford, on 20 January 1965, the second child and first daughter of Christopher Bournes Rhys-Jones, a retired tyre salesman, and his wife, Mary (née O''Sullivan), a secretary,[2] who already had a son, David." I would not guess from this picture that she is the daughter of a tire salesman and a secretary. If you have any pictures of Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall, I''d enjoy seeing them. Thank you.

Post by TL » June 14th, 2009, 7:27 pm
Date: 6/9/2009 10:33:02 AM
Author: prince.of.preslav
Probably that''s the picture of the diadem''s original owner, Queen Mary, that shows all the pieces from the parure* in their original form.

* I don''t think the word parure is the most proper, due to the fact that it consists of several pieces that were Fat Mary''s property and were later given/inherited to/from QM, and others that were presented by the Ladies of India. All these were later worn together, and that''s why it''s frequantly called The Delhi Durbar(sometimes Emerld) parure.

While seaching for pics of the jewels I also found one of QM where the Cullian VII pendant is repleced by CIII - the pear shaped chip. Unfortunately it(the photo) is of poor quality, so I most probably won''t post it.

These pieces are timeless. 

Post by loriken214 » June 14th, 2009, 8:12 pm
Does Camilla have many of her own precious jewels or did she receive gifts from the Royal Family upon her marriage to Prince Charles?  I would like to see some photos of her with her pretties.  I know there are a few on this thread already, but are there more to be had?  Thank you! Image

Lori

My Pretty Kitty Coco!

Post by prince.of.preslav » June 15th, 2009, 2:27 am
You're all welcome!

I can only disagree with Danny's comment about how regal the Countess of Wessex looks. HRH is indeed a good looking woman, but that's probably one of the worst pics I've ever seen of her. Just look at that stone face with no smile and comapare it to the Duchess'. In addition to this the spikes on her hat remind me of a Blackbuck's horns. I can only add that I respect Sophie, because from a sellsman daughter she bacame The Queen's daughter-in-law. She must be really popular witin her own family, and maybe even an example.

Hi, Lori!
The Duchess of Cornwall recived many jewels from the PoW, whan she was still his companion*. Among this are a serpant diamond necklace, a diamond and fake ruby tiara/necklace and earrings. Most of the jewels given to her are belived to have belonged to Alice Keppel, The Duchess' great-grandmother and mistress of Eduard VII. HRH has worn the pearl chokers many years before her marriage to PoW.
I don't think Camilla recived any personal gifts of jewelery from the BRF or any other house upon her marriage to Charles (remember Diana's sapphires and the emerald choker). I can count three tiaras she has worn - her own tiara, The Delhi Durbar and The Grevile tiara. The tiaras and necklaces from Cookie's collection, that she wears at state dinners belong to HM and thus are simply loans. There are several brooches that belonged to QEQM that are now worn by The Duchess. I have serious doubts about one of QEQM's three row pearl nackleces withdiamond clasp, being a gift (not loan) to Camilla, because of its frequent wear. I know that it's a vast topic, so if you like we can discuss it here.

* I didn't use the word mistress deliberately.

Here is a nice picture of The Countess of Wessex with her daughter Princess Louise of Wessex from Trooping the Colour. Nothe the resemblance between the young princess and her grandmother The Queen at that age.
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Post by prince.of.preslav » June 15th, 2009, 2:47 am
Here are TRH Prince William and The Duchess of Cornwall. The choker she wears is composed of three rows of pearls and a large aquamarine set in yellow gold. I think this are (IMO) Camilla's favourite pearl earrings.
I don't like the way the Garter sash looks with the neval uniform. I know there are rules, but I hope next time the prince'll do it better, by wearing another uniform or only the Garter star.
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Post by prince.of.preslav » June 15th, 2009, 3:02 am
Date: 6/15/2009 2:12:58 AM
Author: loriken214
Does Camilla have many of her own precious jewels or did she receive gifts from the Royal Family upon her marriage to Prince Charles? I would like to see some photos of her with her pretties. I know there are a few on this thread already, but are there more to be had? Thank you! Image


Lori


Hi again!

I can divide the DoC's jewels in four - jewels from before her marriage to Charles(gifts from APB and ones that she acquired), Keppel jewels(gifts from PoW and inherited ones), pieces from Cookie's collection and gifts from other countries/organistions. What jewels wold you like to see?

Post by Imdanny » June 15th, 2009, 3:33 am
Date: 6/15/2009 8:27:14 AM
Author: prince.of.preslav

* I didn't use the word mistress deliberately.


I see. Why didn't you?

Post by prince.of.preslav » June 15th, 2009, 5:16 am
Hi, Danny!

Here is how I understand the words - Kate Middleton is Prince William of Wales's girlfriend; Diana, Princess of Wales was The Prince of Wales's ex/wife; Cimilla is belived to have been The PoW's (main)mistress during his marriage to Diana. From the moment of their divorce both, Prince Charles and Lady Diana, had the opportunity to live the lives of unmarried people. I used the word companion, because since then Camilla Parker Bowles accompanied the prince at (semi)formal occasions (eg: the PoW Foundation galas), meanwhile he accompanied her at family gatherings (eg: Her sister's 50th BD). Further more elderly and divorced people in my mind are companions or domestic partners not girl/boyfriend which is IMO more suitable for younger people. I also think that they lived together for some years before the marriage, so domestic partner can also be used.
And about the jewels - I wonted to indicate that at the time when the jewels were given by prince Charles to Camilla they were divored. In other words, she couldn't be his mistress.

And here is a close view of the aquamarine and pearl choker. At the time when the photo was taken, Camilla was still Mrs Camilla Parker Bowles.
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Post by UCLABelle » June 15th, 2009, 12:45 pm
A little un-related, but I just love her jewels (Camilla)!!!! However I cannot get over the fact that she at ONCE WAS a mistress...and as a fan of Diana''s, I just cannot respect her. However, her jewelry earns all of my attention, and admiration ;)

Post by jewelerman » June 15th, 2009, 5:02 pm
Date: 6/15/2009 6:45:51 PM
Author: UCLABelle
A little un-related, but I just love her jewels (Camilla)!!!! However I cannot get over the fact that she at ONCE WAS a mistress...and as a fan of Diana''s, I just cannot respect her. However, her jewelry earns all of my attention, and admiration ;)
I am not a big fan of Camilla(huge Diana fan since 81).But that aqua and pearl necklace is a real beauty!

Post by Imdanny » June 15th, 2009, 8:28 pm
Date: 6/15/2009 9:02:28 AM
Author: prince.of.preslav
Date: 6/15/2009 2:12:58 AM

Author: loriken214

Does Camilla have many of her own precious jewels or did she receive gifts from the Royal Family upon her marriage to Prince Charles? I would like to see some photos of her with her pretties. I know there are a few on this thread already, but are there more to be had? Thank you! Image



Lori



Hi again!


I can divide the DoC''s jewels in four - jewels from before her marriage to Charles(gifts from APB and ones that she acquired), Keppel jewels(gifts from PoW and inherited ones), pieces from Cookie''s collection and gifts from other countries/organistions. What jewels wold you like to see?


Hi, Bobby! Thanks for the clarification.

In this post, you mention four groups into which you can divide the Duchess'' jewels. I hope Lori doesn''t mind me asking but I''d like to see all of them. Would you please give us a history of these four groupings, and show us representative pieces from each group?


Post by prince.of.preslav » June 16th, 2009, 3:44 am
Hi, Danny!

That's a hard task. You know that we can not see all the jewels worn and owned by an individual. I don't pretend to know the exact provenance of all the jewels Camilla has worn through the years and especially the ones from before her marriage to Prince Charles, but I'll try to do my best. Anyone who knows dth else about them is free to post information and picturees.

I'll start with the Keppel jewels.

Here is the "Keppel Tiara" made of real diamondes & fake rubies, the tiara was a gift from Eduard VII to his mistress Alice Keppel, great-grandmother of The Duchess. As far as I know The Duchess of Cornwall was given the jewel by The PoW, who bought it at an auction. So far I've seen it worn only once by HRH as necklace. Probably it would get lost in her hair, if worn as tiara:D There is a matching pair of earrings.
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Post by prince.of.preslav » June 16th, 2009, 3:54 am
Here is another Keppel jewel. A large brooch with diamonds and large citrine/orange topaz. This maybe a part of a stomacher previously in AK''s possession. I don''t know anything else about it.
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Post by prince.of.preslav » June 16th, 2009, 4:13 am
The all diamond serpant necklace. I think it was also bought at an auction from Charles, but in the same time I remember that I''ve read it''s a heirloom. Maybe it''s a mix - a Keppel jewel that was sold and later bought by the Prince hor his beloved mistress.
HRH has worn the earrings prior to her secon marriage. She wore them at her wedding to the PoW. On 6 May 2006 she loaned them to her daughter, Laura, along with her own tiara.
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Post by prince.of.preslav » June 16th, 2009, 4:18 am
Here are the diamond tiara and earrings I mantioned. I guess hey were "something borrowed", just like Queen Mry''s fringe tiara was loaned to Princess Elizabeth from her mother.
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Post by prince.of.preslav » June 16th, 2009, 4:28 am
The same tiara was worn once after Camilla became HRH. Here is a picture from the event. Also worn is a diamond and turquoise necklace. I think both are heirlooms, either from the Ashcombe barons, or the Keppels.
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Post by prince.of.preslav » June 16th, 2009, 4:38 am
Now her privately aquired/gifted jewels:

Firs is one of my favourites - A three row pearl necklace with amethyst&diamond clasp. Obviausly HRH and The Queen share a passion for three rows. The Duchess has two other pearl chokers. One has a garnet clasp and was a gift from her mother. Pics of both jewels have been posted here many pages ago. This one hasn't been worn from awhile. I hope to see it soon.
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Post by prince.of.preslav » June 16th, 2009, 4:49 am
A picture from camilla''s first solo engagement as wife of The Prince of Wales. I doubt I''ve seen the necklace after this occasion, but it''s indeed a nice one. HRH wore a gray(?) pearls bracelet on her right hand and a gold bangle on the left.
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Post by prince.of.preslav » June 16th, 2009, 4:57 am
A turtle brooch set with mother-of-pearl and eventually small diamonds. The firs time I saw it was in late May 2009 when HRH opened the restored Double Bridge. This isn''t the style of jewel, that she usually wears, but another nece one.
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Post by prince.of.preslav » June 16th, 2009, 5:30 am
Probably this aren't all the jewels she has bought herself, or maybe some are gifts from friends, but this are the ones I have seen that aren't from Queen Mother's collection.

I know for only two jewels received durring state visits - a sapphire and diamond necklace and another much bigger and elaborate in design ruby neclace. These jewels are gifts from the Arabian countries, where the sheikhs/kings are billionaires. In addition to this the Royal Family has established a good relationhip with them, so expencive gifts aren't surprising. Remember the Queen's diamond necklaces, she loaned to Diana, her sapphire and diamond loop necklace, Diana's Oman diamonds and of course the Emir of Qatar earrings and the CP of SA sapphires + an expensive(80.000 GBP I think) convertible for Charles.

Here is Camilla's sapphire and diamond necklace. I think the occasion is The Prince's Trust gala. HRH has worn them ones more for a state dinner with QM's favourite tiara, matching earrings and the familyorder(for the first time I think). I can post it if anyone wonts.
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Post by prince.of.preslav » June 16th, 2009, 5:41 am
Here are the rubies. A little bit too grand for my style, but Camilla has proven us that she can wear big pieces. I think we can calli it The Ruby Breastplate. The picture gives us a rare view of her royal bosom.
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Post by prince.of.preslav » June 16th, 2009, 5:50 am
Here is another favourite - a diamond necklace of modern design, probably a first wedding anniversary from the PoW. There are also long diamond earrings. There is a nice view of them in a forthcomming picture.
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Post by prince.of.preslav » June 16th, 2009, 6:07 am
A picture taken at Peter and Autumn Philips''s wedding. The choker''s clasp/centerpiece was originally a brooch, but The Duchess transformed it into this five row choker(does it remind you of s.o. else''s decision?). There is a matching pair of earrings. The entire set was worn at the concert and dinner for Prince Charles'' 60th birthday, hosted by the Queen. The Prince of Wales bought them at an aution the previous year and presented them to his wife.
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Post by prince.of.preslav » June 16th, 2009, 6:26 am
And now HM Queen Elizabeth, The Queen Mother''s jewels!

HRH The Duchess of Cornwall''s favourite and most precious jewels are the ones HM inherited from her mother in 2002. I''ve posted pictures of some of these jewels worn by Queen Elizabth and leter by her grand-daughter-in-law, The Duchess of Cornwall.

I will start with my all time favourite of Camilla with QEQM''s diamond and emerald brooch. Unloke her daughter, the late Queen Mother loved big pieces(we can not blame her as she was a Leo, and could aford them), and I hope this was a favoured one. Does someone know what this design is called? Festoon? Queen Victoria''s jubilee had similar design, is this one Victorian?
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Post by prince.of.preslav » June 16th, 2009, 6:39 am
The best known (and my favourite ring) jewel from QEQM''s collection that is now with Camilla is the engagement ring. The ring has a strong connection with Queen Elizabeth and The Queen. It was presented to The Duchess of York, when she gave birth to the future Elizabeth II on 1926. Since then QEQM often wore the ring on her left hand, replacing the ering.
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