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Re: Royal Jewels

Post by Gabriellehb » July 5th, 2012, 6:16 am
When George VI died Queen Mary was still alive so you really couldn't have two Queen Dowagers at the same time.
Re: Royal Jewels

Post by prince.of.preslav » July 5th, 2012, 3:14 pm
Written by AmayasV » July 4th, 2012, 8:46 pm:Happy Birthday to HRH Princess Chulabhorn Walailak ,the youngest daughter of HM King Bhumibol Adulyadej and HM Queen Sirikit of Thailand.


Happy belated Birthday, Your Royal Highness!
This is an interesting bracelet she's wearing in the first photo. And look at the size of those pearls!
Re: Royal Jewels

Post by prince.of.preslav » July 5th, 2012, 3:22 pm
Written by sunshine996 » July 5th, 2012, 12:14 am:It looks like Princess Charlene wore her dimond earrings that match her Diamond Foam Tiara.

To those of you that know French, here is a link to a video of Her Serene Highness trying on the tiara and earrings:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is169_mhgjQ


They look nice! I didn't link them to the aigrette at first. It's interesting that we see this pair 1 year after the wedding ;) Or have we seen them before? Or maybe this is yet another one-time loan? We'll see, won't we?

Bobby
Re: Royal Jewels

Post by prince.of.preslav » July 5th, 2012, 3:35 pm
Today at the Service for the Order of the Thistle in Edinburgh, The Queen wore her earrings and bracelet from the emerald and diamond tassel set from Sheikh Zayed of the UAE: Photo1. Her Majesty added the matching necklace before the lunch*: Photo2

The Princess Royal wore her pearl choker with large diamond clasp and simple pearl and diamond earrings (beneath the robe was the dress HRH wore at the EoW's wedding in 1999): Photo3

The Countess of Strathearn wore her citrine drop earrings: Photo4

*This is something I like about The Queen - she rarely goes without a necklace, even for daytime events.

Bobby
Re: Royal Jewels

Post by sunshine996 » July 5th, 2012, 7:37 pm
Written by prince.of.preslav » July 5th, 2012, 3:22 pm:
Written by sunshine996 » July 5th, 2012, 12:14 am:It looks like Princess Charlene wore her dimond earrings that match her Diamond Foam Tiara.

To those of you that know French, here is a link to a video of Her Serene Highness trying on the tiara and earrings:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is169_mhgjQ


They look nice! I didn't link them to the aigrette at first. It's interesting that we see this pair 1 year after the wedding ;) Or have we seen them before? Or maybe this is yet another one-time loan? We'll see, won't we?

Bobby


I think that this is the first time that she has worn these earrings to a public event. They were given to her along with the tiara, so they aren't a loan. ;) In the video you can see her wearing the earrings when she tries on the tiara.
Re: Royal Jewels

Post by sunshine996 » July 5th, 2012, 7:50 pm
Written by prince.of.preslav » July 5th, 2012, 3:35 pm:Today at the Service for the Order of the Thistle in Edinburgh, The Queen wore her earrings and bracelet from the emerald and diamond tassel set from Sheikh Zayed of the UAE: Photo1. Her Majesty added the matching necklace before the lunch*: Photo2

The Princess Royal wore her pearl choker with large diamond clasp and simple pearl and diamond earrings (beneath the robe was the dress HRH wore at the EoW's wedding in 1999): Photo3

The Countess of Strathearn wore her citrine drop earrings: Photo4

*This is something I like about The Queen - she rarely goes without a necklace, even for daytime events.

Bobby

Congratulations to Prince William!

I really like HM's emerald and diamond set*. It is elegant and the emeralds really stand out against the Queen's dress.

I'm kind of suprised that HM didn't loan the Countess of Strathern a brooch. Does she have a thistle brooch, or am I just making one up? :confused:

*The Middle Eastern Royals always give wonderful jewel sets/parures, don't they?
Re: Royal Jewels

Post by JewelFreak » July 6th, 2012, 8:32 am
You're not making it up, Sunshine. The Scottish thistle brooch was a gift to her in 1960 when she opened the Queen's Bridge in Perth. Looks a bit larger than what Catherine wears at this point.

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Bobby, your comment about the Queen's wearing a necklace reminded me of this video -- part of a series made while she sat for a portrait. At about 8.50 she talks about her jewels ("I don't wear much jewelry usually, unless I have to.") -- wish that conversation had lasted longer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwSbFiX17gs&feature=relmfu

--- Laurie
Re: Royal Jewels

Post by sunshine996 » July 6th, 2012, 11:32 am
Ah! It is a little bit larger than what Catherine wears, but she needs to "upgrade" sometime! :lol:
Re: Royal Jewels

Post by JewelFreak » July 6th, 2012, 12:21 pm
You ain't kiddin'! I wish she'd start now. However, I doubt HM would offer her this piece; didn't she wear it just recently at Ascot or somewhere like that?

--- Laurie
Re: Royal Jewels

Post by sunshine996 » July 6th, 2012, 3:22 pm
I think so, on day four. Her horse, Estimate, won and Prince Philip presented her with the trophy.

Catherine really needs to embrace brooches. They add interest and sophistication to any outfit. HM has some smaller brocches that she can start out with until she becomes more comfortable with wearing them.
Re: Royal Jewels

Post by JewelFreak » July 6th, 2012, 3:37 pm
Or William could give her some! Where's the "drool" emotie?
Re: Royal Jewels

Post by sunshine996 » July 6th, 2012, 4:18 pm
Haha! Seriously! William needs to give her some heirloom jewelry, no more new stuff!

Out of all of HM's brooches, which one is your favorite? Which one would you like to see Catherine, and/or Camilla wear?
Re: Royal Jewels

Post by LadyMaria » July 6th, 2012, 4:56 pm
Written by prince.of.preslav » July 4th, 2012, 9:15 am:Just remembered something!!! I know that in The Queen's Diamonds Roberts writes that the Greville tiara (the one that now commonly worn by The Duchess of Cornwall) was made in 1921 using stones from a tiara that had been made for Mrs. Greville in 1901. Perhaps the "ginkgo tiara" is the original jewel? I know that the original tiara is illustrated in the book, so anyone who has it (Lady Maria?) can confirm/deny my theory!

Best,
Bobby


Your theory is correct Bobby! From "The Queen's Diamonds: The Greville Tiara"

"The tiara was created fro Mr. Greville in 1921 by Lucien Hirtz, chief desinger of Boucheron in Paris. Boucheron used stones taken from a diadem that the firm had made for Mrs. Greville (again, using her own diamonds) in 1901, which, by the 1920s was felt to be old-fashioned in shape and style. The new tiara, modern in its strongly geometrical honeycomb design, was one of the most striking and unusual of the jewels inherited from Mrs. Greville by Queen Elizabeth in 1942."

"Queen Elizabeth wore teh tiara- perhaps for the first time in public- during the 1947 State Visit to South Africa. In 1953, Cartier was commissioned to increase the height of the tiara by rearranging the clusters of graduated brilliants at the top into triangles, adding brilliants from one of the Queen's brooches that had been unset by Cartier in 1949, and a central marquise. The tiara, which became Queen Elizabeth's most frequently worn head ornaments, was inherited by the Queen in 2002 and has since been loaned to The Duchess of Cornwall."


Maria's note: they do show a picture of the ginkgo tiara to illustrate this. But can we say the gingko is the "original" jewel since it was made from Mrs. Greville's own diamonds? What were the diamonds used for before they were in the ginkgo tiara? And what brooch was unset to provide diamonds for the remake of the Honeycomb tiara?

We have answered one question, only to have created two more questions! :o
Lady Maria

"HM Queen of Chemistry, Tsarina of Teaching, Princess of Puke, and Madam Mad Scientist"
Re: Royal Jewels

Post by sunshine996 » July 6th, 2012, 7:33 pm
Written by LadyMaria » July 6th, 2012, 4:56 pm:
Written by prince.of.preslav » July 4th, 2012, 9:15 am:Just remembered something!!! I know that in The Queen's Diamonds Roberts writes that the Greville tiara (the one that now commonly worn by The Duchess of Cornwall) was made in 1921 using stones from a tiara that had been made for Mrs. Greville in 1901. Perhaps the "ginkgo tiara" is the original jewel? I know that the original tiara is illustrated in the book, so anyone who has it (Lady Maria?) can confirm/deny my theory!

Best,
Bobby


Your theory is correct Bobby! From "The Queen's Diamonds: The Greville Tiara"

"The tiara was created fro Mr. Greville in 1921 by Lucien Hirtz, chief desinger of Boucheron in Paris. Boucheron used stones taken from a diadem that the firm had made for Mrs. Greville (again, using her own diamonds) in 1901, which, by the 1920s was felt to be old-fashioned in shape and style. The new tiara, modern in its strongly geometrical honeycomb design, was one of the most striking and unusual of the jewels inherited from Mrs. Greville by Queen Elizabeth in 1942."

"Queen Elizabeth wore teh tiara- perhaps for the first time in public- during the 1947 State Visit to South Africa. In 1953, Cartier was commissioned to increase the height of the tiara by rearranging the clusters of graduated brilliants at the top into triangles, adding brilliants from one of the Queen's brooches that had been unset by Cartier in 1949, and a central marquise. The tiara, which became Queen Elizabeth's most frequently worn head ornaments, was inherited by the Queen in 2002 and has since been loaned to The Duchess of Cornwall."


Maria's note: they do show a picture of the ginkgo tiara to illustrate this. But can we say the gingko is the "original" jewel since it was made from Mrs. Greville's own diamonds? What were the diamonds used for before they were in the ginkgo tiara? And what brooch was unset to provide diamonds for the remake of the Honeycomb tiara?

We have answered one question, only to have created two more questions! :o


Yay! Thank you LadyMaria! :wavey: Its interesting that she also dismantled another tiara and a brooch. I guess the tiara and brooch were from her private collection.
Re: Royal Jewels

Post by prince.of.preslav » July 7th, 2012, 4:33 am
Written by JewelFreak » July 6th, 2012, 8:32 am:You're not making it up, Sunshine. The Scottish thistle brooch was a gift to her in 1960 when she opened the Queen's Bridge in Perth. Looks a bit larger than what Catherine wears at this point.

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Actually, if you read the description of the brooch in the book and in the press of the time, you'll see that there are quite a lot of differences. The only thing that matches is the number of the amethysts ;)

Bobby, your comment about the Queen's wearing a necklace reminded me of this video -- part of a series made while she sat for a portrait. At about 8.50 she talks about her jewels ("I don't wear much jewelry usually, unless I have to.") -- wish that conversation had lasted longer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwSbFiX17gs&feature=relmfu

--- Laurie


Yes, I remember this video. It was really interesting to hear Elizabeth II speak about jewels. HM also says that her grandmother "altered a lot" and reveals that the very long pearl necklace Queen Alexandra wore at the 1901 SOoP still exists. Ahhh...if only they had continued talking about jewels...

Bobby
Re: Royal Jewels

Post by prince.of.preslav » July 7th, 2012, 4:48 am
Written by sunshine996 » July 6th, 2012, 4:18 pm:Haha! Seriously! William needs to give her some heirloom jewelry, no more new stuff!

Out of all of HM's brooches, which one is your favorite? Which one would you like to see Catherine, and/or Camilla wear?


Hmm... Out of The Queen's brooches, I love the ones with the Cullinan diamonds, Queen Victoria and Queen Mary's bow brooches and Queen Adelaide's brooch. Also like Queen Alexandra's pearl and diamond brooch (the one that matches her necklace) and the Duchess of Cambridge's pearl pendant brooch. Not to forget Queen Mary's Russian brooch and Maria Feodorovna's sapphire and pearl brooch.
I'd love to see Catherine with a small/medium sized diamond brooch. Probably a clip.
Re: Royal Jewels

Post by prince.of.preslav » July 7th, 2012, 5:36 am


YES! YES! YES! Thank you so much, Lady Maria, for confirming my theory!
Re: Royal Jewels

Post by AmayasV » July 7th, 2012, 6:43 am
Bangkok 07/07/2012 King Bhumibol and Queen sirikit on boat trip to observe life around Ko Kret.

Their Majesties the King and the Queen of Thailand ,accompanied by Her Royal Highness Princess Maha Chakri Sirindhorn, will leave Siriraj Hospital’s pier at 4.30 p.m. and board the Angsana Boat where the Navy Commander-in-Chief awaits to give him a briefing. The boat will then take the royalty on a ride along the Chao Phraya, allowing them to admire the landscape on both sides of the river. The boat will be heading north towards Nonthaburi and running through the Khlong Lat Kret and Khlong Oam Kret around the famous Ko Kret Islet of this province. The ride is expected to take about 2 hours before the boat heads to the Royal Irrigation Department’s pier.

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Re: Royal Jewels

Post by Scotsgirl » July 7th, 2012, 11:40 am
Written by AmayasV » July 7th, 2012, 6:43 am:Bangkok 07/07/2012 King Bhumibol and Queen sirikit on boat trip to observe life around Ko Kret.

Their Majesties the King and the Queen of Thailand ,accompanied by Her Royal Highness Princess Maha Chakri Sirindhorn, will leave Siriraj Hospital’s pier at 4.30 p.m. and board the Angsana Boat where the Navy Commander-in-Chief awaits to give him a briefing. The boat will then take the royalty on a ride along the Chao Phraya, allowing them to admire the landscape on both sides of the river. The boat will be heading north towards Nonthaburi and running through the Khlong Lat Kret and Khlong Oam Kret around the famous Ko Kret Islet of this province. The ride is expected to take about 2 hours before the boat heads to the Royal Irrigation Department’s pier.

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Queen Sirikit, in the picture with her daughter, appears to have four arms - am I being totally stupid here? Is there someone behind her, or what?
Re: Royal Jewels

Post by sunshine996 » July 7th, 2012, 2:27 pm
Written by prince.of.preslav » July 7th, 2012, 4:48 am:
Written by sunshine996 » July 6th, 2012, 4:18 pm:Haha! Seriously! William needs to give her some heirloom jewelry, no more new stuff!

Out of all of HM's brooches, which one is your favorite? Which one would you like to see Catherine, and/or Camilla wear?


Hmm... Out of The Queen's brooches, I love the ones with the Cullinan diamonds, Queen Victoria and Queen Mary's bow brooches and Queen Adelaide's brooch. Also like Queen Alexandra's pearl and diamond brooch (the one that matches her necklace) and the Duchess of Cambridge's pearl pendant brooch. Not to forget Queen Mary's Russian brooch and Maria Feodorovna's sapphire and pearl brooch.
I'd love to see Catherine with a small/medium sized diamond brooch. Probably a clip.


Very beautiful, classic pieces!

I would like to see her in some Cullinans, the emerald brooch from India that has a rose carved on it (forgot the name!), any sapphire brooch, any pearl brooch, Cambridge emerald pendant brooch, Queen Mary's stomachers, the Women of Hampshire brooch, or the Flame Lily brooch ;) .

It is wonderful that Queen Alexndra's pearl necklace is still around! I wonder if it is in good enough condition to be worn?
Re: Royal Jewels

Post by sunshine996 » July 8th, 2012, 11:19 am
Back in June, Queen Margrethe received a new tiara from Greenland fro her 40th year on the throne. She also had matching earrings made. The tiara and earrings are made of gold and hav little diamonds in the center of the flowers.
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Re: Royal Jewels

Post by BubblyBear » July 8th, 2012, 3:26 pm
Yes, sunshine, we have previously discussed the golden tiara.
Re: Royal Jewels

Post by JewelFreak » July 8th, 2012, 4:14 pm
Actually, if you read the description of the brooch in the book and in the press of the time, you'll see that there are quite a lot of differences. The only thing that matches is the number of the amethysts


This has come up on every royal jewel discussion I've read on various forums, Bobby. You're right, of course -- I don't see any pearls or anything resembling grass or ferns. There seems to be general agreement that this does not look like the description but since it has the same number of amethysts & nothing else the Queen wears is closer, this must the be brooch. I didn't go into all that in my post, probably should have.

It's best expressed by Order of Splendor in her blog:

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"This brooch is often identified as one given to the Queen when she opened the Queen's Bridge in Perth, Scotland in 1960. The association is based on a description in Leslie Field’s book The Queen’s Jewels which reads as follows:

The brooch is a miniature flower bouquet with seven amethyst buds surrounded by white and yellow gold ferns and grasses, with a central group of twelve freshwater mauve-tinted pearls from the River Tay.
Though we do have seven amethysts present, I’m not personally convinced this is the River Tay brooch as it doesn’t necessarily match up in other respects: we're missing some serious pearl power for a brooch that was described at the time as a pearl brooch (and was intended to showcase local pearls - if they're there at all, they're teensy), and she doesn't seem to have any inclination to wear this in Perth (when she is typically very good at little nods like that). I will use what seems to be a popular name for it, the Amethyst Bouquet Brooch, nevertheless."


Did you see that she has started a 2nd blog on QE's jewels? http://queensjewelvault.blogspot.com/ Should be super -- her research is excellent & she gives me a laugh every day. Wish I knew who she is.

--- Laurie
Re: Royal Jewels

Post by sunshine996 » July 8th, 2012, 8:50 pm
Written by BubblyBear » July 8th, 2012, 3:26 pm:Yes, sunshine, we have previously discussed the golden tiara.

Oops! Sorry, I didn't see that!



JewelFreak,

Thank you for the new information! I wonder where the brooch with the pearls, the real Perth Brooch, is then. Why hasn't HM worn it?

Thank you for the link. I love his/her original blog!
Re: Royal Jewels

Post by BubblyBear » July 8th, 2012, 8:57 pm
No worries, sunshine! It just gets a little....old.....discussing things we recently touched upon.

I, too, am an avid reader of the Order of Splendor. She makes me lol.
Re: Royal Jewels

Post by JewelFreak » July 9th, 2012, 7:53 am
Isn't she a stitch, BB? I really enjoy that blog, plus it's full of good info. Not to mention pics.

--- Laurie
Re: Royal Jewels

Post by prince.of.preslav » July 10th, 2012, 3:43 pm
Written by JewelFreak » July 8th, 2012, 4:14 pm:This has come up on every royal jewel discussion I've read on various forums, Bobby. You're right, of course -- I don't see any pearls or anything resembling grass or ferns. There seems to be general agreement that this does not look like the description but since it has the same number of amethysts & nothing else the Queen wears is closer, this must the be brooch. I didn't go into all that in my post, probably should have.

It's best expressed by Order of Splendor in her blog:

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--- Laurie


Thank you, Laurie, for providing the description from the ROoSS. It does make one wonder why Her Majesty doesn't wear this brooch. Perhaps Angela Kelly is now aware of the link to Perth or the design is not appealing? Who knows...
Bobby
Re: Royal Jewels

Post by prince.of.preslav » July 10th, 2012, 3:52 pm
Written by JewelFreak » July 9th, 2012, 7:53 am:Isn't she a stitch, BB? I really enjoy that blog, plus it's full of good info. Not to mention pics.

--- Laurie


I really like the blog, too! Actually, I'm always waiting for the Fashion Awards after grand royal events. Of course, I enjoy the jewel-related posts (tiaras, the Queen's Top 10 Diamonds, etc) most. Sometimes there are minor mistakes, but who doesn't make them :P

Bobby
Re: Royal Jewels

Post by JewelFreak » July 10th, 2012, 5:48 pm
YOU don't make them, Bobby! :appl: And you don't let us make them!

--- Laurie
Re: Royal Jewels

Post by prince.of.preslav » July 11th, 2012, 9:17 am
Written by JewelFreak » July 10th, 2012, 5:48 pm:YOU don't make them, Bobby! :appl: And you don't let us make them!

--- Laurie


Ooo no! I have made mistakes and sometimes have been corrected by other posters here, while in other cases I've corrected myself ;)

Bobby


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