Homemade E-ring... 2mm ok? What about prongs?

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Re: Homemade E-ring... 2mm ok? What about prongs?

Post by Undercover999 » December 4th, 2011, 10:56 pm
Decided to learn how to polish today. Pro Tip: don't stick the rotary tool into the rouge container unless you are holding said container... I'm now performing a second experiment studying if red rouge will wash out of clothing.

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The finish isn't perfect, there are some file marks that I didn't want to polish all the way out. I'll do a more careful job on the next one.

This felt a little like cheating for some reason, but I just couldn't resist. I set my stone on top just to see how it looks. ;))

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Th pics make the prongs look small, but they're just how I wanted them and will fit perfectly when the seat for the stone is ground.
Re: Homemade E-ring... 2mm ok? What about prongs?

Post by anne_h » December 5th, 2011, 1:33 pm
You are hardcore. Talk about a labor of love! lol

I hope she adores it. :)

Anne
Re: Homemade E-ring... 2mm ok? What about prongs?

Post by MrsDrP » December 5th, 2011, 9:56 pm
I can't wait to see the finished product....how much longer!!?? :lol:
Re: Homemade E-ring... 2mm ok? What about prongs?

Post by Undercover999 » December 5th, 2011, 10:11 pm
Written by MrsDrP » December 5th, 2011, 9:56 pm:I can't wait to see the finished product....how much longer!!?? :lol:


This week!!

AHHHHH! PANIC!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
Re: Homemade E-ring... 2mm ok? What about prongs?

Post by Clairitek » December 7th, 2011, 10:58 pm
What an awesome treat to come and see your progress! Bravo!
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C-tek
Re: Homemade E-ring... 2mm ok? What about prongs?

Post by Undercover999 » December 8th, 2011, 3:09 am
Things have not been going well this week. :blackeye:

My (Asscher) stone is 7.5mm across the corners so I picked up a 7.5mm setting burr. I also got some 7.5mm cubic zirconia (brilliant, it was all I could get) to test with.

I've found that the setting burr is... hard to use. I thought I'd just be able to plunge the setting bur into the prongs and voila, the seat is cut, for example like this page says: http://knol.google.com/k/gene/set-the-perfect-stone/2hgtk8z72nvkr/4#

But in practice its very difficult to control the burr. All of my test rings have been... uh... used. :blackeye:

I did finally get a CZ set, but in truth I'm only happy with the fit of one the four prongs. The rest of the prong tips became too narrow.

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I need to try this out again, but I'm out of test rings. I tried to make another one tonight but it cooled too much before I poured and I wasted my mold. :blackeye: :blackeye: :blackeye: I'm out of waxes (made more tonight), have only about 2 pours of the test alloy left, and am nearly out of investment.

If I ever get another test ring made I thing I'm going to file the prong tips by hand to the proper thickness and THEN use the setting burr to cut the seat. That way I can be sure I get the burr centered in my prongs.

Thats the idea anyway. Sigh. I need to have this ready for a jeweler next week so it can be plated before Xmas.
Re: Homemade E-ring... 2mm ok? What about prongs?

Post by Jim Summa » December 8th, 2011, 8:18 am
About the only thing that I think of that might work is to cut the seat for the stone with tiny files (the finer the file cut the less apt it will hang up and bend the prong), one prong at a time. Think of fitting your stone to the prongs and be sure to turn the ring as you work on it. You only want to remove about 40% of the total thickness or width of the prong or the prongs will be to weak to hold up over time. Try to think of the prong as a clamp. A trick to setting is to move the metal as little as possible. What takes a little time to understand is you can move the prongs laterally...or bend them slightly to the sides a little and then slip them over the stone.
You have been doing well.....very well. Good luck!
Jim

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Jim Summa GG(GIA)CGA(AGS)
Summa Jewelers ~ St Louis Missouri
www.SummaJewelers.com
Re: Homemade E-ring... 2mm ok? What about prongs?

Post by HopeDream » December 8th, 2011, 11:07 pm
Here's a page that gets a bit more detailed into stone setting: http://www.jckonline.com/article/293893-Practical_Stone_Setting_Part_V_Beginning_Prong_Setting.php and it addreses filing seats like Jim mentioned.

I've never done any setting - best of luck to you! :? :D
Re: Homemade E-ring... 2mm ok? What about prongs?

Post by Undercover999 » December 9th, 2011, 12:26 am
Another bad day. :(( Last night I made another mold but I used a wax that had broken at the sprue. I thought I did a good job melting it back together but when I burned out the mold I could see immediately that somehow there was only a narrow pinhole leading into the cavity. I tried to quickly widen it even while hot but alas the casting was a bust; the prongs didn't fill completely (one was only half-full) and there was a lot of shrinkage near the sprue. Looks to me like the narrow opening starved was starving it for metal.

I did what I could with it - I tried filing the prongs to ~60% thickness first and then cutting the beveled seat with the setting burr. That, thankfully, went much better; nearly perfect.

Sigh. New mold setting up now for tomorrow's DisasterFunTime. I need to be finished by Monday... mid week at the LATEST.
Re: Homemade E-ring... 2mm ok? What about prongs?

Post by Undercover999 » December 10th, 2011, 8:46 pm
Tried another mold today... same problem: after burnout the sprue was basically closed! BUT... I know whats causing it now - I was loading them into the kiln wrong. DOH!

The investment appears to be damaged when boiling wax sits on it too long. If I place the sprue downwards then the wax melts out before boiling and everything is good. But if I place it upward (as I did these last two times) then the wax boils in the cup and turns the investment to something like foam and closes up the mold cavities.

Oops.

Trying again tomorrow, this could be IT!
Re: Homemade E-ring... 2mm ok? What about prongs?

Post by sonnyjane » December 10th, 2011, 10:31 pm
Ahhhh good luck! I hope tomorrow goes more smoothly!
Re: Homemade E-ring... 2mm ok? What about prongs?

Post by LadyMaria » December 11th, 2011, 11:26 am
I'm saying a prayer to the jewelry gods to look upon you with favor! :saint:
Lady Maria

"HM Queen of Chemistry, Tsarina of Teaching, Princess of Puke, and Madam Mad Scientist"
Re: Homemade E-ring... 2mm ok? What about prongs?

Post by Jim Summa » December 11th, 2011, 1:54 pm
999,
I can't figure out whats going on with your burnouts.
What I do here is steam out the wax before I put the flask in the oven. I use a square baking pan, fill it a couple inches with water and drop in a grill that you use for cooling cakes. I put the flask on the grill and cover it with a stainless mixing bowl and boil away. Its good to have the corners of the baking pan showing in that you can add water and see the wax floating and know its working.
This enables you to look into the mold and tweak it if need be without it being to hot to handle (you can pick it up with a washcloth) and you don't have to put up with all the smoke.
When I put the flask in the oven for burnout I leave it the way you were doing (open side up) to let the smoke out of the flask.
So first you get the wax out...then you get the smoke out....for a cleaner mold.
Jim

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Jim Summa GG(GIA)CGA(AGS)
Summa Jewelers ~ St Louis Missouri
www.SummaJewelers.com
Re: Homemade E-ring... 2mm ok? What about prongs?

Post by Undercover999 » December 13th, 2011, 12:20 am
Tilting the molds solved my burnout problem. Everyone on the 'net says to load flasks so the wax can drain, I have no idea why I decided it wasn't necessary... but it is!

I ruined two test castings over the weekend - first by overheating the flask, which caused crazy porosity in the casting, and then by underheating the metal, which caused an incomplete fill. But I managed to practice my stone setting and have it sorted out.

I also realized that my alloy of choice - the 75% gold 24.5% palladium 0.5% copper is unworkable. I screwed up my math when I "calculated" it from Hoover and Strong's page, I'm really kicking myself over that. Stupid stupid stupid. :(sad :(sad :(sad :(sad

Backup plan - I found another reference says that 18kt alloys with palladium and silver are nice and white. I'm going to go with 12.5% palladium and 12.5% silver in order to keep the temperatures down by not using excessive palladium.

I am very very much out of time. Casting in 45 minutes........................
Re: Homemade E-ring... 2mm ok? What about prongs?

Post by TravelingGal » December 13th, 2011, 12:26 am
I've been reading along, and you know, I'm not sure if anyone has done this yet but it's a long standing tradition here on PS for good luck, so...

DUST!!!!
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Re: Homemade E-ring... 2mm ok? What about prongs?

Post by Undercover999 » December 13th, 2011, 2:54 am
A perfect casting!! By far the best result I've had thus far.

It looks a little yellow, I can't tell if thats the oxidation or not - I'm going to give it a polishing and see how it turns out. If its too yellow I can go up to 20% Pd, I suppose... but then I have to start again ARRGGHH.

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Very pleased.
Re: Homemade E-ring... 2mm ok? What about prongs?

Post by Undercover999 » December 13th, 2011, 4:17 am
Well I don't think its too yellow. I'll have it plated anyway, since she likes the look.

I think she'll be pleased, I'm not going to recast it.

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Re: Homemade E-ring... 2mm ok? What about prongs?

Post by diamondseeker2006 » December 13th, 2011, 10:10 am
Wow, it is coming along well! :appl: I have been scared reading your whole thread, but you're almost at the finish line! Are you sure you don't want help with getting the stone set in the prongs???
"You know what, it is really just that more special to have a ring that has been created by an artist rather than something that's cast in the thousands, it sort of gives the piece a soul and is a real luxury (to me this is what jewellery is about)."  ...Mike Robinson
Re: Homemade E-ring... 2mm ok? What about prongs?

Post by LadyMaria » December 13th, 2011, 3:03 pm
You are amazing 999! I was so happy to see the words "perfect casting!"
Lady Maria

"HM Queen of Chemistry, Tsarina of Teaching, Princess of Puke, and Madam Mad Scientist"
Re: Homemade E-ring... 2mm ok? What about prongs?

Post by Clairitek » December 13th, 2011, 3:59 pm
It looks awesome!!! WELL DONE!
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C-tek
Re: Homemade E-ring... 2mm ok? What about prongs?

Post by TravelingGal » December 13th, 2011, 6:16 pm
Written by Undercover999 » December 13th, 2011, 2:54 am:A perfect casting!! By far the best result I've had thus far.

It looks a little yellow, I can't tell if thats the oxidation or not - I'm going to give it a polishing and see how it turns out. If its too yellow I can go up to 20% Pd, I suppose... but then I have to start again ARRGGHH.

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Very pleased.


All ya needed was PS dust. ;)) Congrats!
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"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines, sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." -Mark Twain
Re: Homemade E-ring... 2mm ok? What about prongs?

Post by pregcurious » December 13th, 2011, 11:05 pm
Sending dust your way.
Re: Homemade E-ring... 2mm ok? What about prongs?

Post by ame » December 14th, 2011, 11:46 am
WOW. WOW. WOW. I cannot WAIT to see this all finished and set. She is gonna DIE.
Re: Homemade E-ring... 2mm ok? What about prongs?

Post by Undercover999 » December 14th, 2011, 11:10 pm
Its done! Done done done done done!!

... moral of the story: TIP YOUR JEWELER! This shit is HARD.

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I'm almost a little sad to get this plated as the metal is beautiful. Obviously all white golds aren't created equal but this one is gorgeous, I really don't think it needs plating, there isn't a trace of yellow. Of course, it costs nearly the same as platinum, so something tells me you don't find this alloy too often.
Re: Homemade E-ring... 2mm ok? What about prongs?

Post by Bella_mezzo » December 14th, 2011, 11:35 pm
:appl: :appl: :appl: :appl: :appl: :appl: :appl: :appl: :appl: :appl: :appl: CONGRATS!!!!! This is the coolest thread ever and I am so excited that it worked and it's done and your diamond is set!!!! :appl: :appl: :appl: :appl: :appl: :appl: :appl: :appl: :appl: :appl: :appl: :appl: :appl: :appl: :appl: :appl:

I wouldn't plate the ring, it's nice and white now. let her decide. If my DH had made his own alloy to make my ring, there is no way in h*ll I would want to but rhodium plate over that!

It looks beautiful and CONGRATS!!!!!
Re: Homemade E-ring... 2mm ok? What about prongs?

Post by madelise » December 15th, 2011, 12:09 am
Written by Bella_mezzo » December 14th, 2011, 11:35 pm:If my DH had made his own alloy to make my ring, there is no way in h*ll I would want to but rhodium plate over that!


ditto!

i am 100% jealous right here. you are absolutely amazing, this is an absolutely amazing story, and she will be absolutely blown away. absolutely. good luck on your pending engagement!! keep us all updated!
Diamonds are held under tons and tons of pressure, extremely high temperatures of fire and shuffled under shifting of tectonic plates, for a long, long time! Yet when they come out from there and are put on display for their beauty; does anybody stop to evaluate the diamond based upon all the shit it's been through and say "Remember that disgusting hole it used to be in? I bet it was hell in there!" No, people don't remember where a diamond has come from; they just see the beauty of it now. But it wouldn't have become so beautiful, you know, if not for all of that! So why should we look at other people, or at ourselves and evaluate them/ourselves based upon their/our pasts? Shouldn't we forget that? And only see the beauty that is in front of our eyes? Whatever it was, it made you beautiful! And that is what matters! - C. Joybell C.
Re: Homemade E-ring... 2mm ok? What about prongs?

Post by MizNina » December 15th, 2011, 5:04 am
Thoroughly enjoyable to watch and an incredible outcome. DO NOT PLATE THAT RING you can't let someone else touch it now you've done it all YOURSELF :love:

Glitter, sparkle, twinkle, shine...
Re: Homemade E-ring... 2mm ok? What about prongs?

Post by sonnyjane » December 15th, 2011, 9:55 am
Written by MizNina » December 15th, 2011, 5:04 am:Thoroughly enjoyable to watch and an incredible outcome. DO NOT PLATE THAT RING you can't let someone else touch it now you've done it all YOURSELF :love:


I agree. You've done all of this by yourself... don't "paint over" all your hard work! Awesome awesome awesome!
Re: Homemade E-ring... 2mm ok? What about prongs?

Post by Clairitek » December 15th, 2011, 10:14 am
Another vote for letting her decide whether or not to plate it! THAT RING IS AMAZING! I cannot WAIT to hear about her reaction to hearing that you made it yourself. Seriously, you're a one-of-a-kind man and a one-of-a-kind ring.
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C-tek
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Post by rubybeth » December 15th, 2011, 10:32 am
Yet another vote for NO PLATING! It looks great as-is and she could get it plated later if she decides she wants that look. But the fact that you made the whole ring with no outside help? Priceless. :appl: :appl: :appl:

Now... about wedding bands... :naughty:
"See the girl with the diamond ring/She knows how to shake that thing." —Ray Charles


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