That Scoundrel Trump, Revisited

[AGBF]

I had to do a repeat of the thread, "That Scoundrel, Trump" when I read the latest. It was just too sickening to hold in. I had to share it or die of poisoning from within. Thank goodness for Gail Collins and, "The New York Times" for publishing this column. Read it and weep...or laugh if if you can still laugh at that sick b*stard, Trump.

I will excerpt my other favorite parts later after I finish vomiting.

This is my favorite part by far. The article says Trump complained that Secretary Clinton was, "playing the woman card".

From the article:

"But back to the woman card. 'She is a woman. She’s playing the woman card left and right. … She will be called on it,' Trump told CNN. The interviewer, Chris Cuomo, reasonably asked how 'you call someone on being a woman' and Trump retorted that 'if she were a man and she was the way she is she would get virtually no votes.'"

Link to article...http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/28/opinion/trump-deals-the-woman-card.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region&_r=0

AGBF

 

[monarch64]

You might get a laugh or several out of this piece, Deb:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2016/04/27/how-to-play-the-woman-card/?postshare=4231461881391992&tid=ss_fb

The endorsement by Bob Knight was...well, I have no polite words. Never forget: "I think that if rape is inevitable, relax, and enjoy it."--Bob Knight

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/04/27/sports/knight-is-criticized-over-rape-remark.html

 

[AGBF]

You might get a laugh or several out of this piece, Deb:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2016/04/27/how-to-play-the-woman-card/?postshare=4231461881391992&tid=ss_fb

Thanks, Monnie. I loved the pink woman card.

As to all of us women who plan to relax and enjoy being raped...I think I'd rather not. If Trump supporters think I should do that, I think they are all:

A) Male

and

B) Mentally defective

But maybe the two are highly correlated. I have my woman card to prove I am not the former and, thus, that I have a very low likelihood of being the latter.

Deb


Hugs,
Deb

 

[Dancing Fire]

I guess Trump will not receive Deb's vote...

 

[AGBF]

I guess Trump will not receive Deb's vote...

True. And I promised I would return to this thread with more of what I love from the column. Here is another great quotation. It refers to Trump.

"He also proudly announced that he was about to get an endorsement from 'the great Bobby Knight,' former Indiana coach who once told an NBC interviewer that his theory on handling stress was, 'I think that if rape is inevitable, relax and enjoy it.'

We would not be bringing up Bobby Knight’s checkered history today if it had not been for the gender comments. Trump is the former owner of a deeply unsuccessful football franchise. (Make the New Jersey Generals Great Again!) He is going to be endorsed by a trillion sports stars, and if we vetted all of them for sexism, we really would have no time for anything else."

Monnie referred to this above. How could Trump not repudiate this endorsement? I ask this just as I asked how could he not, immediately, have repudiated the endorsement of former Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard David Dukes? Why does he allow himself to receive the public accolades of men who are known as misogynists; anti-semites; racists; bigots; and also-let us not forget-numbskulls?

What idiots would want him to be president?

 

[Dancing Fire]

I guess Trump will not receive Deb's vote...

What idiots would want him to be president?

About 10 mil for now...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/27/donald-trump-will-get-more-primary-votes-than-anyone-in-history-because-more-people-are-voting/

 

[missy]

OK interesting article that offers a perspective on why people are voting for Trump.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/simple-patriotism-trumps-ideology-1461886199

Simple Patriotism Trumps Ideology
After 16 years, Americans have grown tired of both conservative and liberal abstractions.
by PEGGY NOONAN
April 28, 2016 7:29 p.m. ET

The wind is at Donald Trump’s back, and it’s the kind that doesn’t lessen but build. Last week he won the New York primary with an astounding 60% of the vote to John Kasich’s 25% and Ted Cruz’s 15%. This week he swept the five-state Northeast regional primaries with numbers that neared or surpassed the New York results—54% in Maryland, 57% in Pennsylvania, 58% in Connecticut, 61% in Delaware and 64% in Rhode Island. He beat Mr. Kasich in Greenwich, Conn., the affluent enclave of the old moderate Republicanism. Amazingly, he carried every county in all five states, and every county in New York except Manhattan. With 10 million votes, Mr. Trump is on track to become the biggest primary vote-getter in GOP history. He did well with varied demographic groups, old and young, college graduates, rich and not.

This is the kind of political momentum that tends to grow. A political saying attributed to Haley Barbour is that in politics this is the dynamic: Good gets better and bad gets worse. Very smart analysts and reporters have been translating all these victories into delegate counts, which of course is the key question. But as I look at where we are I think: Get your mind off 1,237; get your mind on the wind at Donald Trump’s back. After all the missteps and embarrassments of the past few months, his support is building.

“I consider myself the presumptive nominee,” Mr. Trump said in his victory remarks. He is.

Nothing wrong with Mr. Cruz and Mr. Kasich continuing to forge on. If you added their votes together the other night, Mr. Trump still would have beaten them. But they’re imagining they still have a shot, and Mr. Cruz just brought in Carly Fiorina as a reinforcement. His admiration of Ronald Reagan is such that he even imitates his blunders. That is what it was for Reagan in 1976 when he picked a running mate before the convention. Desperate gambits are more likely to work when they don’t look desperate.

Here I note an odd aspect of this cycle. Candidates at this point, roughly nine months in, are supposed to be dog-tired, near the end of their personal resources, exhausted and, if they’re not winning, depressed. That’s how it usually goes. But Mr. Kasich is clearly having the time of his life and told me as much in November. Mr. Cruz told me the same thing last week, at a Journal editorial board meeting. I expected to see him tired and dragging. No, fresh as a daisy. Mr. Trump too is clearly having a ball.

I find their joy distressing. America is faced with overwhelming problems, the voters are deeply concerned about our future, and they’re happy little chappies in the cable news town hall. I think they’ve absorbed too well the idea of the power of the happy warrior. I would respect them more if now and then they’d outline our problems and look blue.

In my continuing quest to define aspects of Mr. Trump’s rise, to my own satisfaction, I offer what was said this week in a talk with a small group of political activists, all of whom back him. One was about to begin approaching various powerful and influential Republicans who did not support him, and make the case. I told her I’d been thinking that maybe Mr. Trump’s appeal is simple: What Trump supporters believe, what they perceive as they watch him, is that he is on America’s side.

And that comes as a great relief to them, because they believe that for 16 years Presidents Bush and Obama were largely about ideologies. They seemed not so much on America’s side as on the side of abstract notions about justice and the needs of the world. Mr. Obama’s ideological notions are leftist, and indeed he is a hero of the international left. He is about international climate-change agreements, and leftist views of gender, race and income equality. Mr. Bush’s White House was driven by a different ideology—neoconservatism, democratizing, nation building, defeating evil in the world, privatizing Social Security.

But it was all ideology.

Then Mr. Trump comes and in his statements radiate the idea that he’s not at all interested in ideology, only in making America great again—through border security and tough trade policy, etc. He’s saying he’s on America’s side, period.

And because people are so happy to hear this after 16 years, because it seems right to them, they give him a pass on his lack of experience in elective office and the daily realities of national politics. They accept him even though he is a casino developer and brander who became famous on reality TV.

They forgive it all. Not only because they’re tired of bad policy but because they’re tired of ideology.

You could see this aspect of Trumpism—I’m about America, end of story—in his much-discussed foreign-policy speech this week. I have found pretty much everything said about it to be true. It was long, occasionally awkward-sounding and sometimes contradictory. It was interesting nonetheless. He was trying to blend into a coherent whole what he’s previously said when popping off on the hustings. He was trying to establish that there’s a theme to the pudding. He was also trying to reassure potential supporters that he is actually serious, that he does have a foreign-policy framework as opposed to just a grab bag of emotional impulses.

The speech was an attack on the reigning Washington foreign-policy elite of both parties, which he scored as incompetent and unsuccessful: “Logic was replaced with foolishness and arrogance, and this led to one foreign-policy disaster after another.” Mistakes in Iraq, Egypt, Libya and Syria threw the region “into crisis,” and helped create ISIS. He described democracy-promotion efforts as destructive, costing “thousands of American lives and many trillions of dollars.” Our resources are overextended, our allies must contribute more, our friends don’t trust us, nor do our allies respect us. He called for “a coherent foreign policy based on American interests.” His interest is “focusing on creating stability.” “We must stop importing extremism through senseless immigration policies,” including a “pause for reassessment,” which will help prevent the next San Bernardino.

He positioned himself to Hillary Clinton’s left on foreign policy—she is hawkish, too eager for assertions of U.S. military power, and has bad judgement. This will be the first time in modern history a Republican presidential candidate is to the left of the Democrat, and that will make things interesting. It reminded me of how Mr. Trump, in his insistence that he will not cut or add new limits to entitlement spending, could get to Mrs. Clinton’s left on that key domestic question, too.

He certainly jumbles up the categories. Bobby Knight, introducing him at a rally in Evansville, Ind., on Thursday, said that Mr. Trump is not a Republican or a Democrat. The crowd seemed to like that a lot.

Those conservative writers and thinkers who have for nine months warned the base that Mr. Trump is not a conservative should consider the idea that a large portion of the Republican base no longer sees itself as conservative, at least as that term has been defined the past 15 years by Washington writers and thinkers.

 

[AnnaH]

Agree with Noonan that most Trump supporters don't focus on ideology. If they have a litmus test, I'd say it's the economy. They don't trust Washington "insiders" to care about their economic struggles. But I'm just guessing. Can't say I really understand why they trust him.
On the other hand, I don't see why others trust Hillery.
Really frustrating to be struck with Trump and Clinton. Although many like them, they both have high negatives. Can we start over?

 

[Maria D]

Agree with Noonan that most Trump supporters don't focus on ideology. If they have a litmus test, I'd say it's the economy. They don't trust Washington "insiders" to care about their economic struggles. But I'm just guessing. Can't say I really understand why they trust him.
On the other hand, I don't see why others trust Hillery.
Really frustrating to be struck with Trump and Clinton. Although many like them, they both have high negatives. Can we start over?

Nope. No starting over.

Cruz has dropped out.

The Republican nominee for POTUS will be Trump.

 

[E B]

Cruz has dropped out.

 

[momhappy]

Yup - guess it's going to be that scoundrel Trump and that scoundrel Hillary. Pick your poison.

 

[Maria D]

Yup - guess it's going to be that scoundrel Trump and that scoundrel Hillary. Pick your poison.

I dunno...call me crazy, but I'm not counting Bernie out yet.

 

[AnnaH]

Won't be Sanders, but I understand your optimism. I hoped against Trump for a long time.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Yup - guess it's going to be that scoundrel Trump and that scoundrel Hillary. Pick your poison.

I dunno...call me crazy, but I'm not counting Bernie out yet.

Not gonna happen!

 

[Alistra]

Yup - guess it's going to be that scoundrel Trump and that scoundrel Hillary. Pick your poison.

I dunno...call me crazy, but I'm not counting Bernie out yet.

I'm not either!

 

[AGBF]

Yup - guess it's going to be that scoundrel Trump and that scoundrel Hillary. Pick your poison.

I dunno...call me crazy, but I'm not counting Bernie out yet.

I'm not either!

Well...although my (23 year-old) daughter just voted for Bernie a few days ago in the Connecticut Primary, I think she has given up hope on him. When we discussed the matter, though, I told her that I still believed that he and Jane still believed he could win. Once you get that involved in a race, you just can't give it up! Or at least he won't! And Jane will outlast him in stubborness, God bless her!

AGBF

 

[Maria D]

Won't be Sanders, but I understand your optimism. I hoped against Trump for a long time.

I'm actually pro-Clinton and have been from the beginning - just noting that Sanders is still fighting hard and who knows what could happen with this "Super-Delegate" system. What a bizarre system of democracy we practice in this country.

 

[Niel]

Im genuinely disheartened by the events of the last few days. The positive i am trying to take out of the Zodiac Killer dropping out is that he was just, if not more dangerous than Trump, but in a package that fooled more individuals. Trump doesnt hide what he is, and i think thats the only hope the country has; see who he is and vote against it. the fact that Cruz came off as a respectable candidate by comparison was not a positive thing.

The disappointment i feel for our country is so deep right now and I just really underestimated the hate in this country.

 

[lovedogs]

Im genuinely disheartened by the events of the last few days. The positive i am trying to take out of the Zodiac Killer dropping out is that he was just, if not more dangerous than Trump, but in a package that fooled more individuals. Trump doesnt hide what he is, and i think thats the only hope the country has; see who he is and vote against it. the fact that Cruz came off as a respectable candidate by comparison was not a positive thing.

The disappointment i feel for our country is so deep right now and I just really underestimated the hate in this country.

Neil, my DH and I were just discussing this last night. I was very upset that Cruz dropped out because it made Trump more inevitable as the GOP candidate, and I couldnt/still can't believe he got this far (obviously I hate Cruz also, just SHOCKED at Trump). My DH pointed out exactly what you said above: that Cruz was likely more dangerous because he actually believes in all the insane things he says, whereas Trump pretty much says whatever will get him votes (sociopath versus delusional, ugh). Obviously both are terrible choices, but Cruz had some horrible ideologies and him looking good next to Trump was terrifying. It just makes me deeply sad at the state of our country, and shocked at how many people seem to agree with racist/sexist/hateful candidates.

 

[liaerfbv]

Even though I've tried to prepare for his eventual nomination, knowing it's actually happening now makes me feel physically ill. Clinton HAS to win. There's just no hope for the future of our country otherwise.

 

[momhappy]

It's just a presidency. I'm not trying to minimize the seriousness of the situation, but I don't think it's fair to say that there is no hope for this country. The president has a limited amount of power. I don't care for any of it (or them - meaning the candidates), but maybe it's because I came to terms with it weeks ago. It was literally keeping me up at night and then I just realized that I have absolutely no control over it, so why worry myself to death? I honestly don't believe the country is going to be any better off with Hillary in office, so it's a lose-lose for me (and for lots of other people in this Country).

 

[liaerfbv]

It's just a presidency. I'm not trying to minimize the seriousness of the situation, but I don't think it's fair to say that there is no hope for this country. The president has a limited amount of power. I don't care for any of it (or them - meaning the candidates), but maybe it's because I came to terms with it weeks ago. It was literally keeping me up at night and then I just realized that I have absolutely no control over it, so why worry myself to death? I honestly don't believe the country is going to be any better off with Hillary in office, so it's a lose-lose for me (and for lots of other people in this Country).

In general I agree with you on the president's limited power - but if there are enough electoral votes to put Trump in the White House, and he wins a majority of the popular vote - no, the ideology of our country will have clearly shifted so far that there is no hope of coming back from that. Further, this president will be appointing 2-3 (likely) SC justices, which will further shape our landscape for generations... so when I say if Trump wins, we're all ****ed, I truly mean it.

 

[Niel]

It's just a presidency. I'm not trying to minimize the seriousness of the situation, but I don't think it's fair to say that there is no hope for this country. The president has a limited amount of power. I don't care for any of it (or them - meaning the candidates), but maybe it's because I came to terms with it weeks ago. It was literally keeping me up at night and then I just realized that I have absolutely no control over it, so why worry myself to death? I honestly don't believe the country is going to be any better off with Hillary in office, so it's a lose-lose for me (and for lots of other people in this Country).

In general I agree with you on the president's limited power - but if there are enough electoral votes to put Trump in the White House, and he wins a majority of the popular vote - no, the ideology of our country will have clearly shifted so far that there is no hope of coming back from that. Further, this president will be appointing 2-3 (likely) SC justices, which will further shape our landscape for generations... so when I say if Trump wins, we're all ****ed, I truly mean it.

I'll agree here. My problem is not trump. My problem is the country of hate o apparently live in

 

[Dancing Fire]

Even though I've tried to prepare for his eventual nomination, knowing it's actually happening now makes me feel physically ill. Clinton HAS to win. There's just no hope for the future of our country otherwise.

She will lose to Trump if she does not lean towards the middle before Nov. Continuing Obama's ideology will cause her the Presidency.

 

[monarch64]

Let the mud-slinging commence. This is the crap I hate about politics. ETA: not because I support Trump, but because it's just back-and-forth name calling and bickering and so undignified.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/05/hillary-clinton-wont-let-republicans-forget-never-trump

 

[momhappy]

It's just a presidency. I'm not trying to minimize the seriousness of the situation, but I don't think it's fair to say that there is no hope for this country. The president has a limited amount of power. I don't care for any of it (or them - meaning the candidates), but maybe it's because I came to terms with it weeks ago. It was literally keeping me up at night and then I just realized that I have absolutely no control over it, so why worry myself to death? I honestly don't believe the country is going to be any better off with Hillary in office, so it's a lose-lose for me (and for lots of other people in this Country).

In general I agree with you on the president's limited power - but if there are enough electoral votes to put Trump in the White House, and he wins a majority of the popular vote - no, the ideology of our country will have clearly shifted so far that there is no hope of coming back from that. Further, this president will be appointing 2-3 (likely) SC justices, which will further shape our landscape for generations... so when I say if Trump wins, we're all ****ed, I truly mean it.

I have no doubt that you truly mean it, but only time will tell. I'm not happy about any of it either, but I can't live my life that way (doom and gloom). There are lots of things in life to worry about (the environment, war, terrorism, financial collapse, etc.) and we could be f*cked whether Trump becomes president or not. I'd like to think that the media has got us all worked up into a tizzy and maybe it won't be the disaster that most of us think it will be.

 

[AGBF]

Today is a banner day in the annals of those of us who watch the critics of Donald Trump, particularly the critics on the right. Paul Ryan, two Presidents Bush, and a couple of very conservative pundits have said some very harsh things about him yesterday and today (or failed to endorse him). But I especially liked the response he got to his Cinco de Mayo speech.

"NEW YORK — Donald Trump's social media post on Thursday to mark Cinco de Mayo immediately went viral, spawning criticism from some Latino groups that found it offensive and pandering.

Trump took to Twitter and Facebook with a picture of himself eating a taco bowl and the caption: 'Happy Cinco de Mayo! The best taco bowls are made in Trump Tower Grill. I love Hispanics!'

The post generated tens of thousands of retweets and seemingly as many jokes. But not everyone found it amusing.

Janet Murguia, president of the National Council of La Raza, the nation's largest Hispanic civil rights organization, tweeted a short time later that the Republican presidential front-runner's post was 'clueless, offensive and self-promoting.'

'Eating a taco or wearing a sombrero doesn't cut it w/our community in 2016,' Murguia tweeted."

 

[Dancing Fire]

Janet Murguia, president of the National Council of La Raza, the nation's largest Hispanic civil rights organization, tweeted a short time later that the Republican presidential front-runner's post was 'clueless, offensive and self-promoting.'

'Eating a taco or wearing a sombrero doesn't cut it w/our community in 2016,' Murguia tweeted."

They don't like his wall...

 

[Calliecake]

You might get a laugh or several out of this piece, Deb:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2016/04/27/how-to-play-the-woman-card/?postshare=4231461881391992&tid=ss_fb

The endorsement by Bob Knight was...well, I have no polite words. Never forget: "I think that if rape is inevitable, relax, and enjoy it."--Bob Knight

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/04/27/sports/knight-is-criticized-over-rape-remark.html

Oh Monnie, The woman card article is PRICELESS!!!!!!

I've never liked Bobby Knight but after reading that quote I hate the man.

 

[AGBF]

Paul Ryan is far more upset than I am that Donald Trump has the Republican Party nomination locked up. I hope everyone has been following the conversation between Speaker Ryan and Mr. Trump, because it is delightful for those of us who have seen the conservatives take over the Republican Party and The Republican Party take over the Supreme Court for many years. Now the Speaker is afraid that Mr. Trump is endangering the number of Republicans who will be elected to the House and Senate this year. If only he would! The Law of Unintended Circumstances could, for once, work in favor of American women and we could get those conservatives off our backs and get our bodies back under our own control the way Roe v. Wade held that we could!

AGBF