Yellow Sapphire's - now I'm even more confused!

Written by Treenbean » December 3rd, 2011, 8:01 pm:This is a very cool thread and I hope Ed Bristol swoops in and sheds some light on the subject, as I know nothing about it. I have to say it's one of the most saturated yellow sapphires I have seen. And I really like it.

Written by Edward Bristol » December 4th, 2011, 5:08 am:It has zero inclusions and no growthlines, so Emil can't tell it is synthtic or heated, or unheated.

This happens sometimes but is very rare in natural gem, and totally common in a synthetic.

Baseline, 98% it is a sythn.

Written by Barrett » December 4th, 2011, 1:02 pm:I tend to toss my chips in where Edward does..seems to work most of the time
How about you MAKE SURE AND COME BACK AND LET US KNOW WHAT GIA SAID.

Written by TL » December 4th, 2011, 1:53 pm:Does EMIL provide memos with the vendor photo attached? It looks like a vendor photo (photoshopped and in tweezers) on the EMIL lab memo. ??????

I would double check the authenticity of that memo.

Written by VapidLapid » December 4th, 2011, 2:20 pm:My interpretation of the emil lab report is that they could not find any indicators one way or the other to allow them to conclude the stone is either natural or synthetic. I would expect a more extensively outfitted lab will find it to be synth.

Written by LovingDiamonds » December 4th, 2011, 3:47 pm:Something for you to consider:-

As TL has said, the photo on the EMIL report shows tweezers - I'm not sure how normal that is but I havent seen one.

The photo you have posted (presumably from the vendor) is exactly the same photo.

That gives me grave cause for concern because I believe it would be highly unusual that a lab would use a vendor's photo. The underlying lab report may well be genuine for a sapphire but that doesn't mean that it matches the photo or your stone.

Written by LovingDiamonds » December 4th, 2011, 3:47 pm:Something for you to consider:-

As TL has said, the photo on the EMIL report shows tweezers - I'm not sure how normal that is but I havent seen one.

The photo you have posted (presumably from the vendor) is exactly the same photo.

That gives me grave cause for concern because I believe it would be highly unusual that a lab would use a vendor's photo. The underlying lab report may well be genuine for a sapphire but that doesn't mean that it matches the photo or your stone.

Written by Barrett » December 4th, 2011, 9:57 pm:How did the lab use and get the vendor photo?
The photo you posted is the vendor photo and the lab uses the exact same photo in their report? How is this possible?
You bought it off ebay?
Don't trust those labs...I consider them "fly by night" labs..trust AGL or GIA
The vendor photo you posted is the exact same photo in the lab report just cropped and flipped upside down...
something is fishy here and I don't live anywhere near the ocean

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Written by _BUQARI_ » December 4th, 2011, 8:43 pm:

Written by LovingDiamonds » December 4th, 2011, 3:47 pm:Something for you to consider:-

As TL has said, the photo on the EMIL report shows tweezers - I'm not sure how normal that is but I havent seen one.

The photo you have posted (presumably from the vendor) is exactly the same photo.

That gives me grave cause for concern because I believe it would be highly unusual that a lab would use a vendor's photo. The underlying lab report may well be genuine for a sapphire but that doesn't mean that it matches the photo or your stone.

I doubt it's fake! I really do.
Emil confirmed it was real when I called them - because otherwise they wouldn't be able to answer my questions.

I bought it at an auction for plenty of $$$$$$, it was not cheap, I paid the same for the Sapphire as I do for 4 months rent (house).
And the sales-man earn over $10,000,000.00 a year, I checked the company personally in a system.
That kind of information is registered and can be seen by anyone.

So.... I dont think they need to trick anyone or give fake certificates - also, they did only got 2 registered complaints.
2 complaints out of over 60,000 transactions.

My question here isn't if it's fake or not - as 2 labs already confirmed it to be Natural.
I'm still waiting for the GIA Analytical Report.
My question in this Topic is; what's the difference between a Yellow Sapphire and a Pushparanga Sapphire????

Written by TL » December 4th, 2011, 10:52 pm:

Written by _BUQARI_ » December 4th, 2011, 8:43 pm:

Written by LovingDiamonds » December 4th, 2011, 3:47 pm:Something for you to consider:-

As TL has said, the photo on the EMIL report shows tweezers - I'm not sure how normal that is but I havent seen one.

The photo you have posted (presumably from the vendor) is exactly the same photo.

That gives me grave cause for concern because I believe it would be highly unusual that a lab would use a vendor's photo. The underlying lab report may well be genuine for a sapphire but that doesn't mean that it matches the photo or your stone.

I doubt it's fake! I really do.
Emil confirmed it was real when I called them - because otherwise they wouldn't be able to answer my questions.

I bought it at an auction for plenty of $$$$$$, it was not cheap, I paid the same for the Sapphire as I do for 4 months rent (house).
And the sales-man earn over $10,000,000.00 a year, I checked the company personally in a system.
That kind of information is registered and can be seen by anyone.

So.... I dont think they need to trick anyone or give fake certificates - also, they did only got 2 registered complaints.
2 complaints out of over 60,000 transactions.

My question here isn't if it's fake or not - as 2 labs already confirmed it to be Natural.
I'm still waiting for the GIA Analytical Report.
My question in this Topic is; what's the difference between a Yellow Sapphire and a Pushparanga Sapphire????

The thing is that it could be an authentic lab memo, but it could have been replicated to go with a sapphire cut to the specifications of that memo. That happens too, especially if its synthetic. I hope it's a natural stone though, and it could still be, but it just seems odd that the vendor photo with tweezers are on that memo. Good luck on the outcome with GIA.

Written by _BUQARI_ » December 4th, 2011, 8:43 pm:

Written by LovingDiamonds » December 4th, 2011, 3:47 pm:Something for you to consider:-

As TL has said, the photo on the EMIL report shows tweezers - I'm not sure how normal that is but I havent seen one.

The photo you have posted (presumably from the vendor) is exactly the same photo.

That gives me grave cause for concern because I believe it would be highly unusual that a lab would use a vendor's photo. The underlying lab report may well be genuine for a sapphire but that doesn't mean that it matches the photo or your stone.

I doubt it's fake! I really do.
Emil confirmed it was real when I called them - because otherwise they wouldn't be able to answer my questions.

I bought it at an auction for plenty of $$$$$$, it was not cheap, I paid the same for the Sapphire as I do for 4 months rent (house).
And the sales-man earn over $10,000,000.00 a year, I checked the company personally in a system.
That kind of information is registered and can be seen by anyone.

So.... I dont think they need to trick anyone or give fake certificates - also, they did only got 2 registered complaints.
2 complaints out of over 60,000 transactions.

My question here isn't if it's fake or not - as 2 labs already confirmed it to be Natural.
I'm still waiting for the GIA Analytical Report.
My question in this Topic is; what's the difference between a Yellow Sapphire and a Pushparanga Sapphire????

Written by PrecisionGem » December 4th, 2011, 11:33 pm:

Written by _BUQARI_ » December 4th, 2011, 8:43 pm:

Written by LovingDiamonds » December 4th, 2011, 3:47 pm:Something for you to consider:-

As TL has said, the photo on the EMIL report shows tweezers - I'm not sure how normal that is but I havent seen one.

The photo you have posted (presumably from the vendor) is exactly the same photo.

That gives me grave cause for concern because I believe it would be highly unusual that a lab would use a vendor's photo. The underlying lab report may well be genuine for a sapphire but that doesn't mean that it matches the photo or your stone.

I doubt it's fake! I really do.
Emil confirmed it was real when I called them - because otherwise they wouldn't be able to answer my questions.

I bought it at an auction for plenty of $$$$$$, it was not cheap, I paid the same for the Sapphire as I do for 4 months rent (house).
And the sales-man earn over $10,000,000.00 a year, I checked the company personally in a system.
That kind of information is registered and can be seen by anyone.

So.... I dont think they need to trick anyone or give fake certificates - also, they did only got 2 registered complaints.
2 complaints out of over 60,000 transactions.

My question here isn't if it's fake or not - as 2 labs already confirmed it to be Natural.
I'm still waiting for the GIA Analytical Report.
My question in this Topic is; what's the difference between a Yellow Sapphire and a Pushparanga Sapphire????

Where is this place that sales men earn over $10,000,000 a year???? I need to get a job there!

Written by PrecisionGem » December 4th, 2011, 11:42 pm:Did you do a google search on Pushparaga? Seems it's what yellow sapphires in called in India.
As with most anything, I'd say the stone is worth about what you paid for it. People in the business know what things are worth, and generally sell them for that amount or more.

Written by LovingDiamonds » December 4th, 2011, 3:47 pm:Something for you to consider:-

As TL has said, the photo on the EMIL report shows tweezers - I'm not sure how normal that is but I havent seen one.

one.

Written by Edward Bristol » December 5th, 2011, 2:17 am:

Written by LovingDiamonds » December 4th, 2011, 3:47 pm:Something for you to consider:-

As TL has said, the photo on the EMIL report shows tweezers - I'm not sure how normal that is but I havent seen one.

one.

Yes, true. Well watched. Emil doesn´t use tweezers. They have a lightbox.

Written by Pandora » December 5th, 2011, 8:55 am:'Pushparaga' comes from the Singhalese 'pushpa' - flower and 'raga' - colour, also translated as 'flower pollen colour'.

In the same way there is 'padmaraga' from 'padma' - lotus flower and 'raga' colour. This is the pinky, orangy colour of sapphire that is very rare and expensive and that the west calls 'padparadascha' due to an early 20th Century German mis-translation. Talk to any Sri Lankan miner about 'padparadascha' and they will look at you blankly, mention padmaraga and you get a big grin!

If by the City of Gems, you mean 'Ratnapura' - then yes, I know it very well, and you can get many things there - but the people there have been trading gems for thousands of years, they know EXACTLY what they are selling and you will pay an appropriate price for them.

Yellow sapphires are not that sought after in the West - it's actually quite hard to get a nice one in the UK - mainly because they don't look that great against our skin-tones. They are much more appreciated in the East.

Even so, a fine yellow sapphire is not going to approach the price of that of a fine blue sapphire - it's all a case of market demand. Yellow sapphires are relatively in-expensive compared with prices for similar quality in pink or blue. Padmaraga sapphires on the other hand are extremely valuable - are you sure that you are not mixing the two up?

I know one website says that they can be of a similar price as a fine Mogok sapphire - I would fundamentally disagree with this. If you have a look around online you should be able to see the kind of prices that other dealers are selling them for.

If your stone is truly an unheated natural sapphire of that saturation of colour then you will have a nice gemstone.

Written by Pandora » December 5th, 2011, 5:44 pm:Ah, Chanthaburi... City of the Precious Gems, the synthetics, the Be treated etc.

Caveat Emptor