help find light peach cushion sapphire.

minousbijoux · Jun 18, 2013

It has an inclusion in the table that is very obvious. It would bother me tremendously, but that's me. The thing with this stone is that the lab report makes it look completely different than the vendor pics so I don't know who to believe! It sounds like the vendor color would be more to your liking, perhaps? If you are seriously interested, I would definitely follow up with the vendor to determine the precise color.

pinkjewel · Jun 18, 2013

lujews|1371566639|3468015 said:
what are your thoughts on this one?
http://www.starruby.in/store/padparadscha/3-82-carat-unheated-cushion-cut-lively-orangy-pink-padparadscha

Its a bit out of my price range and maybe too big... But still wanted to know PS's opinions on colour/cut/price.

thanks.

the color in the vendor's photos is quite lovely- but I agree with minous that the large inclusion would be a deal breaker for me. And, wow, the certificate color looks nothing like the vendor's photos!! In addition there have been a couple of issues in the past with this vendor. I believe that Kenny had inquired about a green diamond that the vendor "tap danced" about (perhaps he will see this and chime in) and I also conversed with them about some FCDs that the vendor backed out on selling me after he said he would- he just stopped responding to emails if my memory serves me right. Maybe someone has had a good experience that they can relate.

lujews · Jun 18, 2013

Do you think this inclusion will be noticeable by the naked eye? Sorry, I can't tell yet

If so, then yes, it would bother me.
I do like the colour and the cut a lot.

peacechick · Jun 18, 2013

The inclusion is clearly visible. Look at the vendor's pic, it's towards the bottom left. And you can also see it in the certificate photo. It's not small. For a pale color, I think it would be distracting...

lujews · Jun 18, 2013

hmm ok.
I thought it was only visible because the picture was magnified. I could not see it in the picture where the sapphire is on the hand.
How do you determine what's visible with naked eye and what is not?

thanks.

minousbijoux · Jun 19, 2013

lujews|1371591092|3468279 said:
Do you think this inclusion will be noticeable by the naked eye? Sorry, I can't tell yet
If so, then yes, it would bother me.
I do like the colour and the cut a lot.

This is a good question. I would ask the vendor this - its hard to tell because what we are seeing is a hugely magnified image of the stone. So you want the vendor to tell you whether the stone is eye clean - and tell them your definition of eye clean is 6 inches away (or more). That way, he can't give you some bogus definition, like "why yes, from across the room its eye clean."

colorchange · Jun 19, 2013

>>> how to tell if a gem is eye clean

It’s very hard to tell without having a gem in hand. Most inclusions act like semi-transparent mirrors, depending on where you look from, it can be completely invisible or massive.
It also can vary with light source (focused or not) and on the amount of light coming from sides (a closed setting can hide inclusions that are visible only from reflections of light coming sideways).

>>> Do I contact all dealers and let them search for it? Do i keep on checking the same site in hopes for new inventory?

You shouldn’t commit to buy whatever a dealer will bring back for you, but you can contact dealers to tell them what you are looking for, in case they come upon one.
In the trade we very often work by "confié" where gems exchange hands without payments, in case one thinks he's got a client so they should not ask for anything firm on your side.

But you clearly are not looking for the easiest thing to find. Anything looking genuinely peach will be called a padparadsha by one seller or another.
If it's got brown (that is some grey, which, added to the orange, looks brown) it's not exactly peach looking and will be much cheaper.

Padparadshas an anything approaching are very prized, and they are much more so in Asia and in Europe & US, so you won't find many stocked there. The largest market for fine padparadshas is HK. The few that make it to Bond St or the Place Vendome end up in Asia anyway.
You also want a cushion, which tends to lose a bit more material from the rough than ovals. Since padparadshas, like rubies have a price that increases fast with size, the rough determines the cut. So cuts tend to be very basic ovals.
But, if you are looking on lesser quality gems, especially light ones, cut matters a lot, and you should find a more cushions.

To sum it up, it’s rare. I’m a specialist in fancy sapphires, and I have only 3 orangy pink cushion sapphires in the 2Ct range. One too pale to be a pad, one which is a perfect pad, and one way too intense to be a pad (some labs would call that an orangy red ruby). Prices are like 1 (pale) – 5 (pad) – 2 (almost ruby).

So, I don't want to disappoint you, but search hard for whatever is in stock, and there are quite a few sellers around as new gems will be long to come. You can check out auctions too. These gems were more common once upon a time than they are now, and interesting stuff comes out from auctions sometimes.

lujews · Jun 19, 2013

Thanks for the clarification.
So - should i maybe expand my search to oval cut?...

chrono · Jun 19, 2013

To decrease the length of time of your search, it is beneficial to include oval shapes.

lujews · Jun 21, 2013

Non in a huge hurry but it is an e-ring so don't want to wait for years

here are the two that i am considering at the moment.
http://wildfishgems.com/inc/sdetail/10928/11405
http://wildfishgems.com/inc/sdetail/10892/16007

more pictures from the vendor:
let me know what you think...

FrekeChild · Jun 21, 2013

Those are awfully light - the less pink one looks almost white. I like the other one better. I really hate the picture with them on the black background. You can't tell anything about the gem like that!

Do you like them?

lujews · Jun 21, 2013

you are right.
you can't tell much about the gems.
I like how light they are- as i want just a hint of color for my e-ring.
I think I like the peach one better. I like how sparkly it is. I also like that it has mixture of colours. My boyfriend likes pink one more...
I think pink one has better shape -looks more like a cushion.

digdeep · Jun 21, 2013

One thing to consider is that sapphires can shift color's very subtly.......so what you call peach or pink may indeed look like each other in certain lighting. I've never seen a light sapphire that only has one shade of one color......they will change ever so slightly or dramatically if they have modifier's. Seeing them first hand is really the only way to know what you will have and whether you like it. My opinion from experiences with pale sapphire's........

chrono · Jun 27, 2013

Have you ever seen a tinted (barely coloured) stone in person? I ask this because sometimes what you have in mind is different from what is realistic. I concur with CC that a super light peach sapphire can end up looking slightly brownish in certain lighting conditions. In addition, at other times, it'll just be whitish only. I do not know your reason for selecting such a colour but am aware that some prefer an almost whitish gemstone thinking it might look like a diamond but sapphires are too different in its behaviour / characteristics and could never pass off as one, even to a layperson.

colorchange · Jul 1, 2013

Chrono|1372369720|3473403 said:
some prefer an almost whitish gemstone thinking it might look like a diamond but sapphires are too different in its behaviour / characteristics and could never pass off as one, even to a layperson.

Agreed. And I must say I wonder why white sapphires are so prized these days.
Light blue & lilac sapphires usually look very good, and are very cheap, so they do make sense, but I just don't buy pure white anymore.

Colored stones need to have some color. Brow or gray isn't a color. You can choose a light tone, but then you'd need to pick one with a good saturation so the gem looks good.
You also have some exceptions that look silvery, but it isn't something a photo can catch, and it often is due mostly to a great cutting.

As a rule, any sapphire with pink/red or orange will see some color change, and often a massive one. And that does represent a significant component of the price, and it's almost impossible to photograph.

lujews · Jul 3, 2013

I have never seen light tinted sapphires. I love the idea of them... hopefully I will love it on my skin (its quite pale) I live in Montreal and don't really know where I would go to see one. So, my only choice is to order sapphire in hopes that it will be the one...
The reason why I am going with lightly tinted stone is because i tend to wear light colours and can't really see myself with e-ring that has high saturation...

peacechick · Jul 3, 2013

Have you tried visiting the diamond district at Philips Square? Just mentioning it as that's where most of the jewelers are concentrated si you coukd visit a bunch of stores. That said I don't know if it would be easy to find light colored sapphires as those aren't that common.

lujews · Jul 3, 2013

Philips Square? I thought they would only carry diamonds... Maybe i will check it out this weekend.
Thanks for the suggestion!

peacechick · Jul 3, 2013

it would be mostly diamonds, I imagine, but the gem dealers are there too, so that's the best I can think of if you want to browse in person. Maybe you can visit one of the stores like Ex Aurum and ask who in Montreal might have light sapphires.

Also, I can't remember if I mentioned EidelPrecious: http://www.etsy.com/shop/EidelPrecious?? The vendor is Canadian and its very popular among brides on a certain wedding forum. Not suggesting the store as its probably still better to source your own stone but you can see a variety of light gemstones set into rings with hand shots. That could give you an idea of what shades might work and what you consider too washed out, etc.

colorchange · Jul 5, 2013

http://www.ebay.com/itm/400520193452
(I'm completely unrelated to this business)

That should give you an idea of how much such gems are worth. That's a GIA certified padparadsha, with a very valuable setting and for sale at (likely, since these sellers always take lower offers) $6-7000.
The sapphire is CMT Type 1 (90% chance Ceylon), so, even heated, worth a bit more than the African unheated you can see for sale.

Padparadshas with a stronger color are much more valuable, but you're obviously looking for something on the light side.

lujews · Jul 5, 2013

Ex Aurum was a great idea!
I contacted them and they actually have few cushion cut stones to show me tomorrow!!!
Thanks so much for the info. Hopefully i will like what it see

chrono · Jul 5, 2013

If there are any gemshows that come to Montreal, which I suspect must have some given the size and importance of the city, it is a great opportunity to view many different types and colours of gems. You'll see that some gem types behave very differently, that you might end up liking something else totally different and get a feel for pricing.

carmen1 · Jul 8, 2013

lujews|1371179575|3465569 said:
who did you purchase your peach sapphire from? What setting did you use?
please share

Sorry I didn't respond sooner, I purchased my peach sapphire from Wilds Global Minerals. I finally had it set over the weekend and posted a couple of pics today if you are interested: https://www.pricescope.com/forum/colored-stones/colored-stone-e-rings-eyecandy-t29435-2040.html.

lujews · Jul 8, 2013

I saw few pink sapphires at Ex Aurum. Unfortunately they where all too saturated for me. The owner promised to look around and get back to me in the middle of the week.
I also inquired about gem shows and it looks like we don't have any big ones in Montreal. The suggestion was to go to Las Vegas...

Carmen1 - beautiful ring!!! Thanks for sharing. Was the ring custom designed? Would be great to see the inside of the ring as well.

lujews · Jul 8, 2013

i know that i am looking for sapphires but i just found this pink diamond on loupetroop.
http://loupetroop.com/listings/rings-colored-stone-center/bubble-gum-pink-diamond-ring
how can it be so cheap? I was under impression that fancy pink diamonds cost a fortune... Am I missing something??

OreoRosies86 · Jul 8, 2013

lujews|1373319177|3479305 said:
i know that i am looking for sapphires but i just found this pink diamond on loupetroop.
http://loupetroop.com/listings/rings-colored-stone-center/bubble-gum-pink-diamond-ring
how can it be so cheap? I was under impression that fancy pink diamonds cost a fortune... Am I missing something??

It's likely coated or color treated. It's also not certified.

chrono · Jul 9, 2013

I concur with Emproctor - the diamond is most likely to be coated or HPHT (high pressure, high temperature) treated and/or irradiation.

lujews · Jul 9, 2013

ok - that makes sense. thanks for the info.

what do you guys think about this one? it is round and a bit smaller then i was hoping for but i really like the color.
http://loupetroop.com/listings/loose-stones-colored-gemstone/precision-cut-sapphire
I am enquiring about treatments and certification. Is there anything else i should ask?

thanks!

OreoRosies86 · Jul 9, 2013

Has it not already sold?

lujews · Jul 9, 2013

hmm i don't know how i got to it... yes looks like it is sold

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